[Litch]

What's interesting is after the heights of the WC, will he come back and think that all he is here is a squad player? I've always said for me he's better than Ali, yet he's been talked about as a 100m player. We have a big problem at Utd as Rash, Jesse, Vic and Martial need to be starting in order to build some consistency to their game but more importantly feel 'loved' and trusted by the manager. The more we demand new faces, the less chance this would happen.

It's hard to not think like a fan and want him to stay but how good would would he look in a Spurs or Liverpool team with that energy and quality....

 

[Rory 7]

I honestly think he could get into the team of the tournament XI. Love him as a player, always have done.

 

[SuperiorXI]

He has evolved in to a really good player

 

[Jev]

Probably been the breakout star of the tournament along with Rebic. He really does a lot of clever little things during a game. Would be interesting to see him in this setup for us, with Pogba next to him and Matic behind.

 

[cathari]

Not sure what you are trying to say here?

Irony, failed at that.

 

[haram]

Irony, failed at that.

I actually read it again and I get what you were saying now . Sorry I had just got out of bed earlier .

 

[Isotope]

I've been so impressed with him. His energy and the runs this guy makes to create space, make himself available has been terrific. I think this tournament is going to mature him tremendously which is obviously good news for United. I really hope he starts to get the support he deserves because there is little argument that he has been a divisive player at United.

Yeh. He's been great in this WC. But what it matters is how he performs at United.
For instance, Young has been good, but I still want us to get a new LB. DDG looked average, but I wouldn't swap him with any Gk in the world. Fellaini has been quite good, but I still don't want him in our best XI.

 

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[caid]

Was it Lingard who put in the cross for Alli's goal yesterday?

 

[Marcelinho87]

Was it Lingard who put in the cross for Alli's goal yesterday?

Yep, first time too.

 

[caid]

Yep, first time too.

Was a good cross

 

[Rossa]

He's never going to be a prolific goalscorer or assister. But his presence on the pitch makes it easier for his teammates to find the space to score themselves.

The Ronaldo/Messi era has turned football analysis on its head in this decade. Back when Zidane or Figo were the best players in the world, their numbers weren't the only things used to judge them. The current generation of football fan has lost the ability to gauge those nuances, it seems. For a lot of people, it's like nothing else beyond statistics matter when assessing an attacking player.

Lingard's a top class player in the ways that footballers appreciate more than armchair fans. Absolutely vital to the way both Mourinho and Southgate set up their teams.

Good to know you went beyond the typical armchair critic then.

I think many people applaud his movements; Rio has been a strong advocate concerning the importance of Lingard’s movements and how he frees up space for others.

Many have players like Scholes and Carrick as their favorites. They are not exactly fifa players. I think you are partly right, but you over simplified it. The thing about Messi and Ronaldo is that their numbers and stats are so absurd that it transcends anything we’ve seen before in the top European leagues. And after all, winning is the most important part of football, most would argue, and thus contributing to goals either directly or indirectly is the most important thing for an attacking player.

Lingard does this both directly and indirectly, but he’s far from their level in terms of stats or otherwise. I wouldn’t , however say it goes unnoticed. Many critics and armchair critics were, for instance, applauding Lukaku’s dummy for Chadli’s goal.

 

[paulscholes18]

Was a good cross

know it would be a goal the moment it left his foot, a peach of a cross

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

Change him for Griezmann in Athletico team and you won't see any difference. Maybe he won't miss as many chances as the Frenchman actually.. but pace is about the same, not fast, not slow, quick first few steps, dribbling is below top level but still very good, neither player take on players but rather runs into space. Both players like to play one-twos and have a great shot. I am telling you there is not much between the players.

Just one is overhyped player being no1 player for his team playing in the most free/attacking position, taking pens etc. the second plays for his team half the time out of position and way deeper but would excell in the same role, actually I think Lingard has a bit better workrate and movement and better celebrations too, just a shite name being a local guy vs. marketing superstar player

 

[An Irish Red]

Change him for Griezmann in Athletico team and you won't see any difference. Maybe he won't miss as many chances as the Frenchman actually.. but pace is about the same, not fast, not slow, quick first few steps, dribbling is below top level but still very good, neither player take on players but rather runs into space. Both players like to play one-twos and have a great shot. I am telling you there is not much between the players.

What absolute nonsense that is. The overrating of Lingard has reached it's pinnacle it seems. Griezmann is twice the player.

 

[Devil may care]

What absolute nonsense that is. The overrating of Lingard has reached it's pinnacle it seems. Griezmann is twice the player.

Lingard, Pogba and Lukaku will be the new Charlton, Best and Law by the time the World Cup is over.

 

[breakout67]

What absolute nonsense that is. The overrating of Lingard has reached it's pinnacle it seems. Griezmann is twice the player.

Griezmann is ridiculous good in 1v1s, and has arguably a better gallery of worldies. If you take Lingard and give him more strength, pace and finishing you have Griezmann.

One is world class, one is a good player.

 

[haram]

Change him for Griezmann in Athletico team and you won't see any difference. Maybe he won't miss as many chances as the Frenchman actually.. but pace is about the same, not fast, not slow, quick first few steps, dribbling is below top level but still very good, neither player take on players but rather runs into space. Both players like to play one-twos and have a great shot. I am telling you there is not much between the players.

Just one is overhyped player being no1 player for his team playing in the most free/attacking position, taking pens etc. the second plays for his team half the time out of position and way deeper but would excell in the same role, actually I think Lingard has a bit better workrate and movement and better celebrations too, just a shite name being a local guy vs. marketing superstar player

I rate Lingard but that’s bullshit.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

What absolute nonsense that is. The overrating of Lingard has reached it's pinnacle it seems. Griezmann is twice the player.

Only shows how ridiculously overrated Griezmann is, it's not asy to compare players who play different positions with different duties but playsing style wise they are quite similar. I am not saying Lingard is world class but that Griezmann is not in the top bracket for me

 

[harms]

Change him for Griezmann in Athletico team and you won't see any difference. Maybe he won't miss as many chances as the Frenchman actually.. but pace is about the same, not fast, not slow, quick first few steps, dribbling is below top level but still very good, neither player take on players but rather runs into space. Both players like to play one-twos and have a great shot. I am telling you there is not much between the players.

Just one is overhyped player being no1 player for his team playing in the most free/attacking position, taking pens etc. the second plays for his team half the time out of position and way deeper but would excell in the same role, actually I think Lingard has a bit better workrate and movement and better celebrations too, just a shite name being a local guy vs. marketing superstar player

Agree. Griezmann hugely benefits from playing for an ultra attacking Atletico side week in week out.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Just another Messi Lingard appreciation post. He’s come on leaps and bounds since that Novemeber period and I’m proud of him. You can see him improving his all round play in every game.

 

[Devil may care]

Agree. Griezmann hugely benefits from playing for an ultra attacking Atletico side week in week out.

Sarcasm?

 

[harms]

Sarcasm?

Yeah, I thought that it was already obvious enough even without the white text.

I get the comparison though, stylistically there are similarities between them, it's just that Griezmann does all those things twice as good as Jesse.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

Agree. Griezmann hugely benefits from playing for an ultra attacking Atletico side week in week out.

I know you're not being serious but he played mostly as a centre forward and a second striker whereas Lingard spent a lot of time on the wing where he's half the palyer and palying deepr in midfield, got far from the freedom Griezmann has, that's it:-)

 

[Cascarino]

Change him for Griezmann in Athletico team and you won't see any difference. Maybe he won't miss as many chances as the Frenchman actually.. but pace is about the same, not fast, not slow, quick first few steps, dribbling is below top level but still very good, neither player take on players but rather runs into space. Both players like to play one-twos and have a great shot. I am telling you there is not much between the players.

Just one is overhyped player being no1 player for his team playing in the most free/attacking position, taking pens etc. the second plays for his team half the time out of position and way deeper but would excell in the same role, actually I think Lingard has a bit better workrate and movement and better celebrations too, just a shite name being a local guy vs. marketing superstar player

 

[tenpoless]

Ronaldo did teach him a lot of stuffs when He was a kid and now it's paying off.

 

[An Irish Red]

Only shows how ridiculously overrated Griezmann is, it's not asy to compare players who play different positions with different duties but playsing style wise they are quite similar. I am not saying Lingard is world class but that Griezmann is not in the top bracket for me

Even if he is overrated he's still levels above Lingard. The latter has just had his best ever season and still didn't hit double digits in the league. Griezmann routinely doubles that.

 

[MuFc_1992]

It's not ridiculous to compare him to Griezmann because they are similar players although Griezmann is a lot better than Jesse at the moment. I think Lingard would really thrive if the team was stable and he was just given the free role in deeper midfield position. I think mid 3 of Lingard, Fred and Pogba with pogba being the most advanced player would work against the weaker sides.

 

[settembrini]

I hope last season and the world cup have killed the idea that Lingard is a winger. He's a nothing player out wide, when played centrally he's been great for both club and country.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

The England set-up seems pretty much for him... I mean, it doesn't get the best out of Sterling, it's too much midfield work for Alli, it's too much defensive work for Hendo (though he's managed that really well i'd say)... but for Lingard, he can use his energy to get all over the pitch, attack when he wants (yet not be totally relied on to create like a normal number 10 would be) and drift out wide at times, but not be relied upon to be the width.

Which is funny really... that out of Lingard, Sterling, Alli etc... we play a system that benefits Jesse.

 

[Acquire Me]

Change him for Griezmann in Athletico team and you won't see any difference. Maybe he won't miss as many chances as the Frenchman actually.. but pace is about the same, not fast, not slow, quick first few steps, dribbling is below top level but still very good, neither player take on players but rather runs into space. Both players like to play one-twos and have a great shot. I am telling you there is not much between the players.

Just one is overhyped player being no1 player for his team playing in the most free/attacking position, taking pens etc. the second plays for his team half the time out of position and way deeper but would excell in the same role, actually I think Lingard has a bit better workrate and movement and better celebrations too, just a shite name being a local guy vs. marketing superstar player

Good post. Jesse is also very fast. He is top 5 fastest runner in the WC with 33,5 km/h.

 

[ROFLUTION]

The England set-up seems pretty much for him... I mean, it doesn't get the best out of Sterling, it's too much midfield work for Alli, it's too much defensive work for Hendo (though he's managed that really well i'd say)... but for Lingard, he can use his energy to get all over the pitch, attack when he wants (yet not be totally relied on to create like a normal number 10 would be) and drift out wide at times, but not be relied upon to be the width.

Which is funny really... that out of Lingard, Sterling, Alli etc... we play a system that benefits Jesse.

I see your points.. in theory.. but England has reached the semis, so its clearly working overall - and Id despute that its also good for Sterling - its his own faults he hasnt scored 3-4 goals as he should.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I see your points.. in theory.. but England has reached the semis, so its clearly working overall - and Id despute that its also good for Sterling - its his own faults he hasnt scored 3-4 goals as he should.

But Sterling isn't a natural finisher - and finishing isn't a strong part of his game... so thus being one of a front two isn't really where he'd prefer to play.

City's system obviously get the best out of Sterling.

 

[Escobar]

The England set-up seems pretty much for him... I mean, it doesn't get the best out of Sterling, it's too much midfield work for Alli, it's too much defensive work for Hendo (though he's managed that really well i'd say)... but for Lingard, he can use his energy to get all over the pitch, attack when he wants (yet not be totally relied on to create like a normal number 10 would be) and drift out wide at times, but not be relied upon to be the width.

Which is funny really... that out of Lingard, Sterling, Alli etc... we play a system that benefits Jesse.

I think Jesse is simply just having a better WC. He plays better than most other English players in his role.

I do wonder however which position Jose will chose for him. Maybe behind Lukaku after all or in a midfield 3

 

[ROFLUTION]

But Sterling isn't a natural finisher - and finishing isn't a strong part of his game... so thus being one of a front two isn't really where he'd prefer to play.

City's system obviously get the best out of Sterling.

I wouldnt say so. He can be clinical for City (loads of annoying overtime goals). To me its a mental problem he has at the England squad (too many eyes on him?)

But I agree that the setup at City is working even better. But imagine setting up the England squad around Sterling only for him to bottle it. Out of the options available, I think this is the best. Also considering that Alli hasnt scored much the last season, and that the substitute for Sterling is usually Vardy or Rashford who then glides into that position normally while the rest of the squad dont need to adapt/think/Change formation again. Its a pretty solid system I think.

Edit: It can also just be that Sterling needs time to find his role like that first year at City.

 

[redIndianDevil]

I wouldnt say so. He can be clinical for City (loads of annoying overtime goals). To me its a mental problem he has at the England squad (too many eyes on him?)

But I agree that the setup at City is working even better. But imagine setting up the England squad around Sterling only for him to bottle it. Out of the options available, I think this is the best. Also considering that Alli hasnt scored much the last season, and that the substitute for Sterling is usually Vardy or Rashford who then glides into that position normally while the rest of the squad dont need to adapt/think/Change formation again. Its a pretty solid system I think.

Edit: It can also just be that Sterling needs time to find his role like that first year at City.

Sterling's finishing is atrocious, the fact that he scored so many goals is a testament to the amount of chances City players create. He also missed a lot of sitters.

 

[Kostov]

The staggering overrating of Lingard by some on here, isn't doing him any good, it just makes the bed for the guaranteed bashing once he has a bad game. He is having a solid World Cup, let's hope he can continue that against Croatia.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

Even if he is overrated he's still levels above Lingard. The latter has just had his best ever season and still didn't hit double digits in the league. Griezmann routinely doubles that.

maybe you should have read what I said, Griezmann would be on half numbers in England too playing the position and minutes Lingard plays, one is a main attacking point of one team in Spanish league, second is player who works hard for his team and sacrifice his creativity. Lingard is two years younger as well, will probably never get as much freedom, including taking set pieces and penalties being at the end of all attacks. Just imagine players didn't have names faces just a pure sum of their abilities, switch the both players and you will not see a big difference. Secondary striker is the easiest position to play on the pitch. YOu just wonder around make the runs and get easy goals if your team works well. I can see a lot of player thriving in that role, who in other more disciplined roles failed to breakthrough like Depay, Zaha, T. Mueller, play Young there he will score 15-20 goals there too

but that's just my opinion

 

[roonster09]

His spectacular strike against Panama was by some distance the best goal that England have scored at this World Cup. Against Sweden, he provided the assist for Dele Alli's goal and was impressive throughout, having more shots and completing twice as many dribbles as any other player on the pitch.

Lingard's ability to retain possession fits well with Southgate's style of play. His pass completion rate of 93.4 per cent ranks him second among midfielders to have made at least three starts at this World Cup. He gets the ball, gives it to a team-mate and keeps moving. He has found his niche. "The formation suits us perfectly," said Lingard recently.

That has been evident in Lingard's performances in Russia. He covered more ground than any other England player in the matches against Tunisia, Colombia and Sweden. The only reason he did not do so in the win over Panama as well was because he was withdrawn midway through the second half. While on the pitch, he outran everyone.

Against Colombia, he covered an astonishing 15.4 kilometres - more than a kilometre further than anyone else. He was well clear of the rest in the Sweden game too. The tracking data shows that Lingard spent the lowest percentage of time moving at speeds below seven kilometres per hour of anyone on the pitch - he was perpetual motion.

Given his work rate, Lingard could have been forgiven for tiring as the game wore on. Instead, that is the time that he seems able to exploit the tiredness in others. With five minutes left, he was winning back possession in the Sweden half. In stoppage time, Lingard was the one who was running with the ball at his feet when the referee blew for full-time.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-has-stood-out-for-england-at-this-world-cup

 

[cathari]

The staggering overrating of Lingard by some on here, isn't doing him any good, it just makes the bed for the guaranteed bashing once he has a bad game. He is having a solid World Cup, let's hope he can continue that against Croatia.

Partly agree, but when an academy product like Jesse is breaking all these barriers like he has done (big new contract, playing well at club level, playing well at international level, reaching the semis in the WC, being influential in the WC), all in a year or two, you'll find yourself having a hard time at this forum if the shared optimism in his thread is bothering you.