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Creator of Player Performance threads
Full Name:
Anthony Joran Martial
Date of Birth:
Dec 5, 1995 (22)
Nationality:
France
Height:
1,81 m
Foot:
Right
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And that's the problem, you are talking about a player that wasn't a wide player until relatively recently, his tools at youth level weren't wide player's tools. People make comparison with Mbappé but Mbappé was a wide player until senior football where he played centrally because Monaco didn't had any other option, his success upfront were a surprise more than anything and he was still playing wide in Gambardella(U19 cup). People need to remember that Martial learned the winger role at United and only at United.Hopefully he will have great season.
Also about time players start to play to higher level even if they are out of comfort zone, we don't have right winger and should do everything to make that position his own. He has all the attributes to do that, should improve his work off the ball though. That's very important asset to have for a wide player.
Ha, always thought Martial started as wide player and Mbappe as striker as he was playing as striker for Monaco.And that's the problem, you are talking about a player that wasn't a wide player until relatively recently, his tools at youth level weren't wide player's tools. People make comparison with Mbappé but Mbappé was a wide player until senior football where he played centrally because Monaco didn't had any other option, his success upfront were a surprise more than anything and he was still playing wide in Gambardella(U19 cup). People need to remember that Martial learned the winger role at United and only at United.
It's even weirder to think that his favorite foot is his right foot. Naturally he could do more damage with his dribbling and whipped cross with his favorite foot, but that is not the case.Ha, always thought Martial started as wide player and Mbappe as striker as he was playing as striker for Monaco.
Martial was very good as left winger and for me he was our best going by performance. So I'm assuming he should adapt to right wing position too as that's the position where we don't have any players and Martial has necessary attributes.
It's not that easy, I can't remember which player explained it, maybe it was Pires. Martial on the left come inside, he moves towards the weaker side of most defenders, they have to either defend with their weaker foot or make awkward movements in order to reach with their stronger foot. On the right it's the opposite, if he goes outside he is on the stronger foot and natural side of defenders, when he comes inside he is on his own weaker foot and goes toward his weaker side, it's not the same approach, not the same game. Ronaldo isn't as good on the right than he is on the left, same thing with Messi, they have to tweak their game significantly in order to make it work. You have players like Perisic, Reus, Coman or even Mbappé that manage to do it but they have good left feet and it comes naturally to them, the vast majority of players struggle a lot when you change their side.It's even weirder to think that his favorite foot is his right foot. Naturally he could do more damage with his dribbling and whipped cross with his favorite foot, but that is not the case.
I think it's a bizarre case, backroom staffs need to fix this issue.
Sterling and Sane don't have stronger weak foot but they play the role very well. They don't have to hug the touchline, something like City wide players will do. But again it depends on how Jose sets up his team and what he wants from his wide players.It's not that easy, I can't remember which player explained it, maybe it was Pires. Martial on the left come inside, he moves towards the weaker side of most defenders, they have to either defend with their weaker foot or make awkward movements in order to reach with their stronger foot. On the right it's the opposite, if he goes outside he is on the stronger foot and natural side of defenders, when he comes inside he is on his own weaker foot and goes toward his weaker side, it's not the same approach, not the same game. Ronaldo isn't as good on the right than he is on the left, same thing with Messi, they have to tweak their game significantly in order to make it work. You have players like Perisic, Reus, Coman or even Mbappé that manage to do it but they have good left feet and it comes naturally to them, the vast majority of players struggle a lot when you change their side.
I know, my point being is that he should cross more comfortably from the right flank as his favorite foot is his right. Take a look at Trippier for example, he can do it easily and Martial should be able to do it too. Considering he likes to whip the ball when crossing, he could easily whip it on the right flank. When he plays on the right, he shouldn't cut inside anymore, because that would deem useless for him.It's not that easy, I can't remember which player explained it, maybe it was Pires. Martial on the left come inside, he moves towards the weaker side of most defenders, they have to either defend with their weaker foot or make awkward movements in order to reach with their stronger foot. On the right it's the opposite, if he goes outside he is on the stronger foot and natural side of defenders, when he comes inside he is on his own weaker foot and goes toward his weaker side, it's not the same approach, not the same game. Ronaldo isn't as good on the right than he is on the left, same thing with Messi, they have to tweak their game significantly in order to make it work. You have players like Perisic, Reus, Coman or even Mbappé that manage to do it but they have good left feet and it comes naturally to them, the vast majority of players struggle a lot when you change their side.
Sané is significantly inferior on the right and these are wide player since youth football, they have hundreds more games in these positions. I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that it's not as easy as people say and most importantly it takes time and actual practice. If Mourinho wants Martial on the right, he will have to play him there and understand that it's not necessarily going to click immediately.Sterling and Sane don't have stronger weak foot but they play the role very well. They don't have to hug the touchline, something like City wide players will do. But again it depends on how Jose sets up his team and what he wants from his wide players.
Yeah, not saying it's easy just that it's the only position where he can play regularly as we don't have RW and Jose won't drop Sanchez.Sané is significantly inferior on the right and these are wide player since youth football, they have hundreds more games in these positions. I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that it's not as easy as people say and most importantly it takes time and actually practice. If Mourinho wants Martial on the right, he will have to play him there and understand that it's not necessarily going to click immediately.
Totally agree, he should be playing up front as well as the back up striker, not Rashford who should be back up on the left. A confident Martial performing to his ability would be our starting striker in my opinion....sadly looks like he wont get the opportunities there and for that reason for his career and financially for us a big transfer fee he should goAnd that's the problem, you are talking about a player that wasn't a wide player until relatively recently, his tools at youth level weren't wide player's tools. People make comparison with Mbappé but Mbappé was a wide player until senior football where he played centrally because Monaco didn't had any other option, his success upfront were a surprise more than anything and he was still playing wide in Gambardella(U19 cup). People need to remember that Martial learned the winger role at United and only at United.
sorry but I think it's evident to see that Martial skillset is not entirely suited for the RW, his best move is to cut inside on his right foot and dribble past players, it's very hard to defend that, and he's not exactly explosive player to huge the touch line and make runs to put in a cross. The same reason why Alexis plays on the left, even though he spent years playing on the right when he was young - but he was way more explosive and pacy, he bulked up and likes to create, pick a pass these days and lost his top speed. Martial likes to leave his player behind him so he has time for a cross or a shot. His left foot is about good to put in an occasional cross in but hardly good enough to cut inside from the right. He lacks raw pace and workrate to be a proper RW and stay on the touchline. I'd still try him there over Mata or Lingard let's say but he's not suited to that side much and that's a fact.People getting the excuses in early for him i see. Such talent players should be able to perform to a decent level anywhere across the front line, they may excel in one more than others but you can't tell me Martial doesn't have the skillset.
It was the same with Rooney, Kagawa, Mkhi. This place is obsessed with making excuses for players whilst other top clubs the players play where ever they're told.
He's way too good for Everton. I very much doubt he would want to spend a year there.I think in fact it would be great that he left for a loan to prem, some team like Everton could do with him, he could be a star there and when he comes back we have another manager he could perform under. If he can't make it at another prem club out of top6 then there is something seriously wrong with his development...
I think that’s the problem he thinks and a lot of people think that he’s good enough for us. In his best form he’s a great player but still inconsostent, playin every third game won’t help him at all, he needs a regular gametim and he would get that at a team like Everton, also difderent coach might make him work harder. The competiton is harder than before and not a single team is weak. Westham spending 40mil on a player will be more regular witht he tv eights, there is a lot of good players in prem which are on similar level to Martial and playing for lesser clubs. The perception that Everton is below his level is not true. About a level of a team to get proper gametime and fully developHe's way too good for Everton. I very much doubt he would want to spend a year there.
He is more than good enough for us. Except for maybe Lukaku, no attacker showed more quality than Martial last season, and he's proven himself in the past as well, especially his debut season.I think that’s the problem he thinks and a lot of people think that he’s good enough for us. In his best form he’s a great player but still inconsostent, playin every third game won’t help him at all, he needs a regular gametim and he would get that at a team like Everton, also difderent coach might make him work harder. The competiton is harder than before and not a single team is weak. Westham spending 40mil on a player will be more regular witht he tv eights, there is a lot of good players in prem which are on similar level to Martial and playing for lesser clubs. The perception that Everton is below his level is not true. About a level of a team to get proper gametime and fully develop
Perhaps that's why our attacking play is painful to watch.He is more than good enough for us. Except for maybe Lukaku, no attacker showed more quality than Martial last season, and he's proven himself in the past as well, especially his debut season.
Sure, and perhaps we should look at some of our other attackers before Martial.Perhaps that's why our attacking play is painful to watch.
I wouldn't disagree. We have some very mediocre players who I'd be happy to see leave.Sure, and perhaps we should look at some of our other attackers before Martial.
True, but it doesn't change the fact he was comfortably our second best attacker last season. And until he was dropped, it was debatable who was better between he and Lukaku (Lukaku had started better, but Martial was better at the time of dropping).Perhaps that's why our attacking play is painful to watch.
Yeah, thats not happening.He's way too good for Everton. I very much doubt he would want to spend a year there.
Maybe he really is planning to start but a PRE-season with Martial up front. On a serious note, it's interesting. 2 strikers system or Lukaku as a withdrawn striker on the right? Sure he won't.Tweet
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Hopefully Martial will be developed as a CF and be the backup to Lukaku. Mourinho just needs to learn to rotate a bit more to keep everyone happy.Maybe he really is planning to start but a PRE-season with Martial up front. On a serious note, it's interesting. 2 strikers system or Lukaku as a withdrawn striker on the right? Sure he won't.
The season or the friendlies? I mean Lukaku is still on hols and Sanchez is grounded in the UK, so it's not like he has options for thoseTweet
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Both. Mourinho said he is hoping for a front three of Mata, Martial and Sanchez for first league game.The season or the friendlies? I mean Lukaku is still on hols and Sanchez is grounded in the UK, so it's not like he has options for those
No it's a real possibility he starts as the CF because Lukaku is missing pre-season and will be returning from his holiday. He might end up on the bench after, really depends how he performs in his run of games. Make or break and it's in his own hands.Maybe he really is planning to start but a PRE-season with Martial up front. On a serious note, it's interesting. 2 strikers system or Lukaku as a withdrawn striker on the right? Sure he won't.
We could play 442 (diamond) or even 352 with proper wingbacks to rotate MMaybe he really is planning to start but a PRE-season with Martial up front. On a serious note, it's interesting. 2 strikers system or Lukaku as a withdrawn striker on the right? Sure he won't.
Fair point, somehow it escaped me. The question is what happens if Martial plays well. Can't imagine Lukaku being benched for good.No it's a real possibility he starts as the CF because Lukaku is missing pre-season and will be returning from his holiday. He might end up on the bench after, really depends how he performs in his run of games. Make or break and it's in his own hands.
The season or the friendlies? I mean Lukaku is still on hols and Sanchez is grounded in the UK, so it's not like he has options for those
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