Both Perisic and Willian.Damn it. Just give Jose Perisic or Willian and sell off the want-away Martial and Jose will be back in his best mood.
Board vs Jose
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Difference is back then we had numerous World Class players in our squad and the best manager of all time. Now not so much. We have alot more bang average players, and a miserable tactical dinosaur.
Ultimately, our season depends on what Mourinho can get out of the players already here rather than transfers. But remember, Mourinho has also been complaining about the squad. Think it's difficult to compare with Fergie.
LVG didn't fail to convince the board to improve the squad. LVG spent a fortune - just as Mourinho has - and wasted most of it. I can't believe the board is still taking criticism for our failings. Our managers have been backed as much as they could expect and they have wasted so much of the money they've been given, and then they expect to be given even more money to fix their mistakes. It's not sustainable and it's just not on.
Here we are again though. We've just sold Blind, a player our last manager wasted money on. We're going to sell Darmian, a player our last manager wasted money on. We look set to get rid of Martial, a player our last manager signed. We want to sell Shaw, a player our last manager signed. We've already sold one of Mourinho's signings (Mkhitaryan) and I wouldn't be surprised if a few more of his signings are referred to as deadwood in a season or two.
The amount of money we have pissed away is quite incredible tbh, and we don't look an awful lot better than we did when Ferguson left. If I owned United I would be fuming at how my money was being spent so poorly. I don't know how anyone can defend Mourinho over the board.
Whats the difference between then and now? Alex Ferguson. So your post is pretty much pointless as we are in a completely different era now with a way worse squad of players than those dates you mentioned. And Jaap Stam was one of the most coveted CB in Europe when we bought him so i don't know where you're getting that comment from. Dwight Yorke was also a prolific PL striker as well....
I would be very surprised if Jose and Woodward isn't aligned message wise.
Jose isn't dumb, he's just saying answers that give nothing away. He pretends not to be involved in any recruitment so the journalists can't get any information. Woodward don't do interviews. It's an act.
Do we really think Jose don't ask/get updates? Or Woodward's going to say "I've got a surprise for you tomorrow"
It could be we have a smaller budget, or the same one as last year but the players just got much more expensive and hence finding it harder to close deals. We don't have oil money, or money left over from selling our best player....
Jose isn't dumb, he's just saying answers that give nothing away. He pretends not to be involved in any recruitment so the journalists can't get any information. Woodward don't do interviews. It's an act.
Do we really think Jose don't ask/get updates? Or Woodward's going to say "I've got a surprise for you tomorrow"
It could be we have a smaller budget, or the same one as last year but the players just got much more expensive and hence finding it harder to close deals. We don't have oil money, or money left over from selling our best player....
Yeah, this has been blown out of proportion by the supposed body language experts on this forum. If Ed didn't fancy Mou's project, he wouldn't have extended his contract. Because let's be honest we were out of the title race by then and weren't looking world beaters in CL. Ed could've just waited until the season ended before renewing his contract.
Jose is doing what he's done since he's been here, mounting the pressure on Ed to get the deals done. It makes zero sense for Ed to sabotage Mou because what they'll save by not signing players he wants right now will be a lot less than the outlay that would be required under a fresh manager.
No, the first job would be to educate fans of what they actually do. That would cut out rubbish posts like yours, you know them posts that smack of superiority and are condescending with any constructive criticism. If we had a good DOF, we would have someone who is use to dealing with clubs and agents. Somebody that would be focused in one department who has knowledge of football, unlike Ed. He could put proper planning in place so our targets are identified, negotiated and agreed with early in the window. Teams that leave business to the last few days are opportunistic or just badly run, in my opinion.
Exactly this! I think, as fans, we are really spoiled (spoilt?) (myself included) with all the trophies SAF got us, but in reality, our squad has been dire (average maybe?) for a while now. After a very very long time (4 years in human years, 28 in Man Utd fan years), we finally appear to have our mojo back. The anti-United brigade have been out in full force recently, and that alone gives me enough hope that we are getting back. Up until the start of this tour. I really hope this doesnt end up being another season of utter disdain that would cause us having to change managers AGAIN! And start this rebuilding nonsense. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Ad Infinitum.
Jose is usually fine when he gets the players he wants. He delivers the trophies. You just might hate his football.
You do know that it takes "2 Parties or more" for a transfer to happens right? Having a DOF doesn't mean other teams would just roll over and sell us the players we wanted fast and cheap you know.
A lot of people hate his football. Could put up with him if he had a different personality and was willing to correct his mistakes, but that's not gonna happen.
The way we play under him is quite concerning, especially if it's a trophy less season like the last one. The reputation we're getting is damaging to the 'brand' - which so happens to be the Glazers and Ed's main concern. We can't ignore this anymore.
Only today there is some article about how the American fans have caught on to how bad our football is or words to that effect. Even if exaggerated, that's a really bad rep to have since the club has been built on football which is the complete opposite of Jose's.
I don't think the board should continue throwing money at Jose knowing this isn't making us better as a team, or making us look better (for sponsorship purposes).
Chelsea stopped giving him money too. That ended well. Suppose it had something to do with get me John Stones at any price; but Jose why don’t you just develop Christensen? Get me a new left back; we just brought you Phillip Luiz last season Jose, no good?
Now it’s get me Willian at any price; whilst Martial just sits there looking lost.
Now it’s get me Willian at any price; whilst Martial just sits there looking lost.
I can see why the board are reluctant to finance transfers this summer.
Hasn't Mourinho already bought 2 centre backs in Bailly and Lindelof and if the reports are to believed he now wants a ball playing defender.
If I was Woody I would look at sacking Mourinho.
Hasn't Mourinho already bought 2 centre backs in Bailly and Lindelof and if the reports are to believed he now wants a ball playing defender.
If I was Woody I would look at sacking Mourinho.
I don't know what's up between those two but whatever strategy they're at, it isn't working well. We still haven't sorted our CB,FB, RW positions and probably will have to spend 300m more just to have a decent first XI. That's lot of money even for United, no club does business like us.
Louis van Gaal once said our board didn't have football minds to help him, there were definitely some disagreements in personal interest and I think it's exactly what's happening. I mean we've had Martial and Rashford for LW position but club & Jose still wanted Sanchez, Perisic. It would only make sense if our RW weren't Mata & Valencia.
This is some video game' level of bullshit. It's like to identify the qualities, you keep throwing eggs into wall and hope some don't break then repeat it again with new batches . Can't blame the board, I'd be fuming if someone used my money this way.
Louis van Gaal once said our board didn't have football minds to help him, there were definitely some disagreements in personal interest and I think it's exactly what's happening. I mean we've had Martial and Rashford for LW position but club & Jose still wanted Sanchez, Perisic. It would only make sense if our RW weren't Mata & Valencia.
This is some video game' level of bullshit. It's like to identify the qualities, you keep throwing eggs into wall and hope some don't break then repeat it again with new batches . Can't blame the board, I'd be fuming if someone used my money this way.
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This is spot on.
And how do We know this?
Why renew to a manager you will not be able to support? We are fecking mess.
Sack him for what exactly?
That was only true because the board struck by Ferguson for a few very poor seasons and allowed him to build his squad of great players over time.
We currently have one of the most successful managers who is still managing in the game. His CV compares favourably with any other manager in the premier league and is one of only three managers currently managing in England to have won the premier league, and the only one to have won it more than once.
He inherited a badly compiled squad containing many poor signingss and so I do not consider two seasons to be enough time to have turned this fully around. He's made progress in terms of league place from 5th/6th to 2nd.
I don't for one second believe it's a conscious effort not to support him. The club have a responsibility to pay a fair price for his targets.
It's just a ploy to signal to clubs we are not going to pay over the top for players. It's a negotiation strategy.
True, I had read reports that they wanted Jose to get better out of the investments they had like Shaw and Martial, as the board viewed them as potential world class players, as where in Jose is happy for them to go. So for me that would sort of be undermining his position/power. Really we won’t know until someone leaves what it’s actually like under the regime at the club.
I’m sure there is probably frustration on both sides with this summer but I beleieve Woody went in to this fully expecting to walk away with Bale this summer and has taken a massive swing at it and missed. We play Real this tour do we not? Be intresting to see what happens after that and how the press will report on it.
If we had problems like the media trying to suggest, Mourinho would be long gone.
I would be more worried if we released a press release about the rumors.
I would be more worried if we released a press release about the rumors.
I'm sure you'd be the first to know about it.
Pretty much.
Probably not. Why are you being an asshole?
It's not really that big of a rumour. The only two people I've heard say Jose is unhappy are Castles and that Philib guy.
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Woodward is incompetent - that’s the only thing to cull from the whole mess. He’s never really backed José. Jose is a successful manager who’s won big things wherever he’s been.
He’s worked with some of the best players the world has had to offer. There’s no way Jose thinks Smalling/Jones are quality or there are training methods that will suddenly make them world class players.
The club makes more than enough money to remove the deadweights and buy quality players Jose wants - if such dream isn’t achieved, the fault lies at the doorstep of Woodward. We are the only rich club in Europe with dud players.
For many reasons but if he now wants another CB and he can't develop the players HE bought then I would cut our losses now.
Imagine the faces of them if you told them back in 2013, "You're going to spend more than half a billion quid on players in the next five years or so....and still, Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia, two converted wingers, will be the starting full-backs."
He does seem to never shut up about spending, even in positions that are stocked with decent talents. Must really boil is blood to see Pep get to spend like a billionaire's heir. Was surprised at the start of last season when he claimed to be happy with our transfers but that didn't last long.
Is the correct response.
I'm surprised people are blaming the board when all they've done is back all 3 of our managers with 2nd highest net spend in England and one of the highest wage bill in football only to see their money being spent on absolute drivel and constant bickering from every manager that the shiny new player they got last season won't cut it and now they want another one.
Didn't Mourinho buy Bailly and Lindelof and now he wants another ball playing defender the very next season?
I'm pretty sure that the board wants to see Mourinho extract a better performance from the personnel that he already has which is perfectly reasonable after seeing them perform at the World Cup. It's also unfortunate because we really need some key investments in critical areas of the pitch which should have ideally been sorted out 2-3 seasons ago.
The board probably doesn't have full confidence in Mourinho anymore and are hesitant to splurge out in case they have to change managers at the end of next season.
We weren't good enough to challenge last year and Mourinho tends to need to purchase to win titles and improve. The are where were furthest behind City was in attack. To address that we've added, wait for it, nobody. So obviously people are going to be concerned with our transfer window thus far. We've signed a CM and a young RB.
A good example that highlights the cconcerns is the right wing position. We have nobody of real quality and havent for years. It's absurd how poor we've been addressing this area. It's like SAF and central midfielders except we were winning back then so he could stick two fingers at anyone who suggested he was sleeping.
I know this forum is very quick to jump at anyone just insisting that Mourinho is not to blame for all our problems, but if the board is refusing to spend money on the targets he thinks would improve us (and they actually probably would looking the quality of our squad) then that's that and a large part of the blame should be aimed at the board should we not improve next season.
There's no actual evidence of that (known to me, at least).
However, if the board (a bunch of businessmen and media types) are about to start second guessing the manager's targets in a football sense, we're seriously fecked. Either change the model, or let the manager decide.
Perisic seems to have been about money, purely, not about second guessing him as a target. Inter reportedly wanted an above-standard amount and Martial on top – which is when you say “piss off” regardless of whether you can afford it or not (we probably could but Woody would've been an idiot if he simply bent over for anyone who has a player we want).
Why shouldn't the board question the managers targets? We all question them and it's not even our money at risk.
Pretty much how I see it, and that is reflected in the club's unwillingness to sell Martial as well. I pray for a season like 2006-07 when we only added Carrick but instantly became one of the best teams in the world due to squad progression but I don't see it happening either.