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Both Perisic and Willian.Damn it. Just give Jose Perisic or Willian and sell off the want-away Martial and Jose will be back in his best mood.
Both Perisic and Willian.Damn it. Just give Jose Perisic or Willian and sell off the want-away Martial and Jose will be back in his best mood.
Difference is back then we had numerous World Class players in our squad and the best manager of all time. Now not so much. We have alot more bang average players, and a miserable tactical dinosaur.I think it's pretty clear the internet needs to be deleted in order to preserve the state of mind of a lot of snowflakes who claim to support Manchester United.
In 2006 we 'only' bought Michael Carrick and I remember endless discussions of how this was nowhere near enough to bridge the gap to Chelsea etc etc. In 2002 similar was said when we 'only' bought Rio Ferdinand - we'd never catch 'that' Arsenal team.
I suspect that, before my redcafe days, there were people who didn't feel that buying a striker from Aston Villa and some unknown dutch centre back would get us back above the 1998 Arsenal double winning side.
Maybe I've been around too long, but this summer is possibly the most tedious of all time with respect to the nonsense constantly spewed by some of our so-called supporters.
Ultimately, our season depends on what Mourinho can get out of the players already here rather than transfers. But remember, Mourinho has also been complaining about the squad. Think it's difficult to compare with Fergie.I think it's pretty clear the internet needs to be deleted in order to preserve the state of mind of a lot of snowflakes who claim to support Manchester United.
In 2006 we 'only' bought Michael Carrick and I remember endless discussions of how this was nowhere near enough to bridge the gap to Chelsea etc etc. In 2002 similar was said when we 'only' bought Rio Ferdinand - we'd never catch 'that' Arsenal team.
I suspect that, before my redcafe days, there were people who didn't feel that buying a striker from Aston Villa and some unknown dutch centre back would get us back above the 1998 Arsenal double winning side.
Maybe I've been around too long, but this summer is possibly the most tedious of all time with respect to the nonsense constantly spewed by some of our so-called supporters.
LVG didn't fail to convince the board to improve the squad. LVG spent a fortune - just as Mourinho has - and wasted most of it. I can't believe the board is still taking criticism for our failings. Our managers have been backed as much as they could expect and they have wasted so much of the money they've been given, and then they expect to be given even more money to fix their mistakes. It's not sustainable and it's just not on.It reminds me the situation under LVG, he failed to convince the board to improve the squad and that costed him the job
Will be same for Mourinho, I predict a 5th or 6th place in EPL + a miserable UCL, with him sacked before or at the end of the season.
There are all the ingredients with the situation ready to explode.
Whats the difference between then and now? Alex Ferguson. So your post is pretty much pointless as we are in a completely different era now with a way worse squad of players than those dates you mentioned. And Jaap Stam was one of the most coveted CB in Europe when we bought him so i don't know where you're getting that comment from. Dwight Yorke was also a prolific PL striker as well....I think it's pretty clear the internet needs to be deleted in order to preserve the state of mind of a lot of snowflakes who claim to support Manchester United.
In 2006 we 'only' bought Michael Carrick and I remember endless discussions of how this was nowhere near enough to bridge the gap to Chelsea etc etc. In 2002 similar was said when we 'only' bought Rio Ferdinand - we'd never catch 'that' Arsenal team.
I suspect that, before my redcafe days, there were people who didn't feel that buying a striker from Aston Villa and some unknown dutch centre back would get us back above the 1998 Arsenal double winning side.
Maybe I've been around too long, but this summer is possibly the most tedious of all time with respect to the nonsense constantly spewed by some of our so-called supporters.
Yeah, this has been blown out of proportion by the supposed body language experts on this forum. If Ed didn't fancy Mou's project, he wouldn't have extended his contract. Because let's be honest we were out of the title race by then and weren't looking world beaters in CL. Ed could've just waited until the season ended before renewing his contract.The last training session before the San Jose game, Woodward was at training and Jose walked over to him, chatted a little and then Jose went back to training. Whereas Ed had a beaming smile and was talking to McKenna and Carrick. So I don't think their relationship is too bad. It's never going to be a Fergie/Gill relationship, however, it doesn't seem too bad.
Of course Jose's frustrated, we all are. Suppose the sounds coming out from Jose is also a message to the fans. Because we keep banging on about getting players and I'm sure Jose does too.
No, the first job would be to educate fans of what they actually do. That would cut out rubbish posts like yours, you know them posts that smack of superiority and are condescending with any constructive criticism. If we had a good DOF, we would have someone who is use to dealing with clubs and agents. Somebody that would be focused in one department who has knowledge of football, unlike Ed. He could put proper planning in place so our targets are identified, negotiated and agreed with early in the window. Teams that leave business to the last few days are opportunistic or just badly run, in my opinion.So there we have it. Appoint a Director of Footballer. Job done. Would their first job be to educate fans that links in the press are not normally a precise barometer of what the club is actually working on? Or would they be too busy directoring the footballers?
Exactly this! I think, as fans, we are really spoiled (spoilt?) (myself included) with all the trophies SAF got us, but in reality, our squad has been dire (average maybe?) for a while now. After a very very long time (4 years in human years, 28 in Man Utd fan years), we finally appear to have our mojo back. The anti-United brigade have been out in full force recently, and that alone gives me enough hope that we are getting back. Up until the start of this tour. I really hope this doesnt end up being another season of utter disdain that would cause us having to change managers AGAIN! And start this rebuilding nonsense. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Ad Infinitum.We're just as much to blame in all this. We're not patient enough to see an evolution of the players. We want instant success. So like what City did for Pep, we have to do the same...pay big, for big players.
Jose is usually fine when he gets the players he wants. He delivers the trophies. You just might hate his football.And then he'll be upset about something else.... you can't keep giving in to him unless you're the Sheik of Qatar or somewhere, and even they might have a limit.
You do know that it takes "2 Parties or more" for a transfer to happens right? Having a DOF doesn't mean other teams would just roll over and sell us the players we wanted fast and cheap you know.No, the first job would be to educate fans of what they actually do. That would cut out rubbish posts like yours, you know them posts that smack of superiority and are condescending with any constructive criticism. If we had a good DOF, we would have someone who is use to dealing with clubs and agents. Somebody that would be focused in one department who has knowledge of football, unlike Ed. He could put proper planning in place so our targets are identified, negotiated and agreed with early in the window. Teams that leave business to the last few days are opportunistic or just badly run, in my opinion.
A lot of people hate his football. Could put up with him if he had a different personality and was willing to correct his mistakes, but that's not gonna happen.Jose is usually fine when he gets the players he wants. He delivers the trophies. You just might hate his football.
Both Perisic and Willian.
This is spot on.LVG didn't fail to convince the board to improve the squad. LVG spent a fortune - just as Mourinho has - and wasted most of it. I can't believe the board is still taking criticism for our failings. Our managers have been backed as much as they could expect and they have wasted so much of the money they've been given, and then they expect to be given even more money to fix their mistakes. It's not sustainable and it's just not on.
Here we are again though. We've just sold Blind, a player our last manager wasted money on. We're going to sell Darmian, a player our last manager wasted money on. We look set to get rid of Martial, a player our last manager signed. We want to sell Shaw, a player our last manager signed. We've already sold one of Mourinho's signings (Mkhitaryan) and I wouldn't be surprised if a few more of his signings are referred to as deadwood in a season or two.
The amount of money we have pissed away is quite incredible tbh, and we don't look an awful lot better than we did when Ferguson left. If I owned United I would be fuming at how my money was being spent so poorly. I don't know how anyone can defend Mourinho over the board.
And how do We know this?Chelsea stopped giving him money too. That ended well. Suppose it had something to do with get me John Stones at any price; but Jose why don’t you just develop Christensen? Get me a new left back; we just brought you Phillip Luiz last season Jose, no good?
Now it’s get me Willian at any price; whilst Martial just sits there looking lost.
Sack him for what exactly?I can see why the board are reluctant to finance transfers this summer.
Hasn't Mourinho already bought 2 centre backs in Bailly and Lindelof and if the reports are to believed he now wants a ball playing defender.
If I was Woody I would look at sacking Mourinho.
That was only true because the board struck by Ferguson for a few very poor seasons and allowed him to build his squad of great players over time.We also had the best manager of all time leading us and a squad full of great players. We have neither of those things now.
I don't for one second believe it's a conscious effort not to support him. The club have a responsibility to pay a fair price for his targets.Why renew to a manager you will not be able to support? We are fecking mess.
True, I had read reports that they wanted Jose to get better out of the investments they had like Shaw and Martial, as the board viewed them as potential world class players, as where in Jose is happy for them to go. So for me that would sort of be undermining his position/power. Really we won’t know until someone leaves what it’s actually like under the regime at the club.Fair point. That's why I said this could be a pre mature reaction. However, let us not forget this is the same board who spend foolishly in van gaal era and even during Jose's first season. Don't blame the board for not fully trusting Jose but then what's the point of keeping him
I'm sure you'd be the first to know about it.I would be more worried if we released a press release about the rumors.
Pretty much.LVG didn't fail to convince the board to improve the squad. LVG spent a fortune - just as Mourinho has - and wasted most of it. I can't believe the board is still taking criticism for our failings. Our managers have been backed as much as they could expect and they have wasted so much of the money they've been given, and then they expect to be given even more money to fix their mistakes. It's not sustainable and it's just not on.
Here we are again though. We've just sold Blind, a player our last manager wasted money on. We're going to sell Darmian, a player our last manager wasted money on. We look set to get rid of Martial, a player our last manager signed. We want to sell Shaw, a player our last manager signed. We've already sold one of Mourinho's signings (Mkhitaryan) and I wouldn't be surprised if a few more of his signings are referred to as deadwood in a season or two.
The amount of money we have pissed away is quite incredible tbh, and we don't look an awful lot better than we did when Ferguson left. If I owned United I would be fuming at how my money was being spent so poorly. I don't know how anyone can defend Mourinho over the board.
Probably not. Why are you being an asshole?I'm sure you'd be the first to know about it.
It's not really that big of a rumour. The only two people I've heard say Jose is unhappy are Castles and that Philib guy.If we had problems like the media trying to suggest, Mourinho would be long gone.
I would be more worried if we released a press release about the rumors.
Woodward is incompetent - that’s the only thing to cull from the whole mess. He’s never really backed José. Jose is a successful manager who’s won big things wherever he’s been.Now this may be a a bit pre mature to say this but something doesn't look right between Woodward and Jose. It won't be wrong to say our transfer window up till now has been bad. And with Jose coming out yesterday and suggesting that he may not get the deals that he wants makes me feel Woody and co. may not be fully backing jose. Now I understand managers dont get everything they ask for but this seems like Conte/Chelsea board situation from last year. It's also strange for the first time Woodward has not said anything about the upcoming season, surely something doesnt look right with him and Jose.
I seriously hope this doesn't have a bad ending and turn out to be Chelsea 15-16 season for us. Like is said this could be a pre mature reaction and we may end up signing some top players but so far it looks like Board has just given up on Jose.
For many reasons but if he now wants another CB and he can't develop the players HE bought then I would cut our losses now.Sack him for what exactly?
He does seem to never shut up about spending, even in positions that are stocked with decent talents. Must really boil is blood to see Pep get to spend like a billionaire's heir. Was surprised at the start of last season when he claimed to be happy with our transfers but that didn't last long.Chelsea stopped giving him money too. That ended well. Suppose it had something to do with get me John Stones at any price; but Jose why don’t you just develop Christensen? Get me a new left back; we just brought you Phillip Luiz last season Jose, no good?
Now it’s get me Willian at any price; whilst Martial just sits there looking lost.
Is the correct response.LVG didn't fail to convince the board to improve the squad. LVG spent a fortune - just as Mourinho has - and wasted most of it. I can't believe the board is still taking criticism for our failings. Our managers have been backed as much as they could expect and they have wasted so much of the money they've been given, and then they expect to be given even more money to fix their mistakes. It's not sustainable and it's just not on.
Here we are again though. We've just sold Blind, a player our last manager wasted money on. We're going to sell Darmian, a player our last manager wasted money on. We look set to get rid of Martial, a player our last manager signed. We want to sell Shaw, a player our last manager signed. We've already sold one of Mourinho's signings (Mkhitaryan) and I wouldn't be surprised if a few more of his signings are referred to as deadwood in a season or two.
The amount of money we have pissed away is quite incredible tbh, and we don't look an awful lot better than we did when Ferguson left. If I owned United I would be fuming at how my money was being spent so poorly. I don't know how anyone can defend Mourinho over the board.
We weren't good enough to challenge last year and Mourinho tends to need to purchase to win titles and improve. The are where were furthest behind City was in attack. To address that we've added, wait for it, nobody. So obviously people are going to be concerned with our transfer window thus far. We've signed a CM and a young RB.I don't understand why people have a problem with what we have done in the window so far. Bought Fred and Dalot, plus the mighty Lee Grant, and sold Blind and Johnstone for decent fees. What is wrong with that? I am not seeing a lot of options for improving our team beyond that and the window isn't over yet.
The recent comments are more likely reflective of the difficulty getting the players he wants than anything to do with the budget.
There's no actual evidence of that (known to me, at least).Now the board has been a bit cautious in just blindly trusting the manager.
Why shouldn't the board question the managers targets? We all question them and it's not even our money at risk.There's no actual evidence of that (known to me, at least).
However, if the board (a bunch of businessmen and media types) are about to start second guessing the manager's targets in a football sense, we're seriously fecked. Either change the model, or let the manager decide.
Perisic seems to have been about money, purely, not about second guessing him as a target. Inter reportedly wanted an above-standard amount and Martial on top – which is when you say “piss off” regardless of whether you can afford it or not (we probably could but Woody would've been an idiot if he simply bent over for anyone who has a player we want).
Pretty much how I see it, and that is reflected in the club's unwillingness to sell Martial as well. I pray for a season like 2006-07 when we only added Carrick but instantly became one of the best teams in the world due to squad progression but I don't see it happening either.The board probably doesn't have full confidence in Mourinho anymore and are hesitant to splurge out in case they have to change managers at the end of next season.