It is ok to state an opinion. I mean McNair and CBJ both did pretty well when they had a few games under LVG but they were just not quite good enough. I hope to be wrong but I think McTominay is more like this than like Fletcher or Lingard. He can develop for sure, but he seems to lack something special.
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He should go out on loan and play week in week out
You should have read this over before hitting submit...
1. He wanted Pereira to stay last year but the player chose to leave on loan.
2. He recently said Pereira has a phenomenal attitude.
3. TFM didn’t play every week at Palace and Axel was playing in the championship. Some of you need to realise that these players are not ready yet.
It would probably have to be the Championship most likely because he wouldn't start at many Premier League clubs, if any.
That's ok - at least he gets to play. He wouldnt even make the bench if everyone's fit
I'm all for a loan. He shouldn't be on our bench for Premier league games.
Yeah, with Pereira returning and us signing Frrd I think that Scott should go on loan. He will likely be 7th on pecking order which means that not too many matches for him.
I agree with many of you, send him to a mid/low tier team on loan and hope for improvement.
He was the third defender today as we played 3-5-2. He was average the whole tournament but in this particular game he shouldn't be evaluated.
It's happened in every one of our friendlies where a cm drops as deep as the cbs, like it's an instruction. I wouldn't say he was playing as cb but was positioning himself there when we were playing out from the back. I don't get the point of it though, it makes it easier for the opposition to outnumber us and it becomes harder for us to push the ball out into advanced positions.
He played as a CB. We were clearly lined with 3 defenders with Scott as the left defender. That wasn't a midfielder dropping deep. Watch it again.
I like him to be honest. Is there many 20 or so years old around playing this key role in the middle?
Took time for Carrick to own the middle of the pitch. If I was a Man UTD supporter I would have a lot of time for McTominay.
Took time for Carrick to own the middle of the pitch. If I was a Man UTD supporter I would have a lot of time for McTominay.
Do you think he’s a good footballer? I get that people want to support players for the club. But (and I’m not saying you personally) some can’t even have an honest discussion about a player as they are so tribal or whatever.
I mean, I don’t think Lukaku is all that (as far as top class strikers go, of course). I’ve gotten far more criticism for saying this over the last year than I did when he was an Everton player. Likewise, I suspect all of those defending McTomminay now will not have any issue if we accepted a bid from Bournemouth from him. There would be no question of ‘wtf is Jose doing?’ etc - it would be a transfer that seems to make sense to everyone. But to say that he should be at Bournemouth now (and to me, he’d be doing very well for himself if he even managed to get into the Bournemouth team), you get the likes of Prongy telling you you are clueless and how good a player he is.
He isn’t a particularly good player, that much is obvious to anyone who has seen what a good midfielder looks like. At least at the very top level. Nobody was advocating for him to be given a chance when he was playing academy football, and nobody would have batted an eyelid if he were released without a senior appearance. And people have protested when some average players like Tom Thorpe left the club, yet that wouldn’t have happened for McTomminay. At best, when he plays, I suspect the hope is that he doesn’t ‘let the team down’, and if he does ‘nothing wrong’, these are being filed under ‘good games’ for him.
You mention Carrick, but there is no comparison. He was always tracked to be a very good player, people raced about him from his West Ham days, and he was no McTomminay when he first broke through.
What key role?
McTominay needs to go on loan and prove himself somewhere where he'll get steady gametime and where the stakes aren't so high. He had some nice cameos at times last year but hes not close to being ready to be a consistent midfield player for Manchester United.
I think a stint away from the club like Pereira went through where he's forced to prove his worth would do alot for him personally and for the club to determine what his potential truly is.
I think a stint away from the club like Pereira went through where he's forced to prove his worth would do alot for him personally and for the club to determine what his potential truly is.
Key role at holding around one of the players from the opposition in handbag situations.
There are two sides of this question. First of all, he can develop, many good players were nobodies back when they were 21. And the fact that his unexpected starting role did not faze him last year says a lot.
But that is not what ultimately important. If you wanna have a real dynasty a successful club, like we had under Fergie, you need players like McTominay. You can't buy the whole squad, 24-25 players. You can't have so that every one of them is good enough. A real trick is not only to have a stars, but also a solid back ups. Fergie used to have that with Butt, OShea, P Neville, Fletcher (he had some great years, but was largely average at the start of his career and after injury). Those people were nowhere near as good as Keane, Scholes, Rio or whoever. But they came on, when we had injuries or players were tired and they gave 100%. And seldom they let us down.
And the thing is, it's very hardly to buy a player like that. Actually probably harder than it is to buy a star. Because you need a player that essentially would be ready to sacrifice big portion of his career to be part of the club, understanding that he will not play as much as he could have. And usually home-grown players are best for that.
So i think while it's possible McTominay will never be truly United's level footballer, he can be a part of a successful team, maybe for many years to come.
I accept that, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen us develop players with the intention of them being average or not good enough. All of the players you mentioned ultimately fell short of being very top players, and then became the squad players. The likes of O’Shea was more promising than McTomminay, Butt was more promising than McTomminay, Fletcher was more promising and so on.
I don’t think anyone at the club is even pretending that Scott will be a United regular at any point. I don’t think a City would be playing a youngster with the intention they will eventually fill gaps. Liverpool have Henderson and Ox who will likely be squad players this year, but that is because they were first team players that were improved upon.
Given how much of a privilege it is for a kid to get a proper chance in the first team, and how many would kill for one, it just seems odd and maybe unfair that we have given all these games to one who didn’t even stand out in the academy. I think Matt Willock could easily get 25 games instead of Scott and there would be no difference. As it is, he’s gone to St.Mirren and nobody cares.
McTominay is better than Willock and far more ready for PL football. The problem is you can pick a random player from the Championship and they are better than Willock so it isn't a compliment.
He only got chances because the options were Willock or Redmond who is straight up horrible. Now we have more options. Scott won't be here much longer.
He only got chances because the options were Willock or Redmond who is straight up horrible. Now we have more options. Scott won't be here much longer.
Redmond is trash, but I can’t say that at reserve level Scott looked a level above. I know he played upfront quite a bit, but Scott was never expected to get a first team call.
None of them were ever expected to get close to a first team call. But injuries and needs must McTominay lucked his way into a chance. If we had an actual good CM in the reserves then they would have got the chance. But Redmond sucks and Willock isn't much better and is also way less physically capable compared to McTominay. Hamilton is better but was too young.
Like I said, I won't be surprised to see him out of the club in a years time and don't expect to see him ever play much for us again.
I hope you’re right. I do fear that he represents more than just a midfielder now, he’s symbolic of something else and I clearly think he has the attention of the manager for a bit more than what he does on the pitch. By all accounts he’s a ‘good boy’, and I suspect that will keep him around for a while.
I find Scotty boring, he doesn't excite me in the slightest. Not somebody you would expect something unexpected from. Fletcher type of player.
McTominay could only dream of scoring a volley like Fletch against Everton
To be honest, he is average and doesn't looks to have great potential type of player. But he is young and tidy.
That's harsh on Fletcher - Fletcher was a lot more than just a tidy body in the middle of the park. McTominany did really well last season, but I've not seen anything from him that suggests he'll ever be more than a squad player (and probably not for us). I'd expect him to be playing for a West Brom/Stoke/Villa/Swansea type side in a couple of seasons time.
Spot on. Without be too down on a very honest lad, if he was playing for Southampton there's not a top 6 team who'd be wanting to sign him. I'd argue if he was below six foot, he'd be no where near the first team too. Comparisons to Fletch aren't fair as Fletch had loads more ability than this lad.
When you think Pereira been away from the club for two seasons yet this lads got game time last season tells you a lot about our mentality at present.
He needs to add something else to his game to be able to play at a club like United. His best bet is to use his height to be a genuine goal threat from midfield.
Without that he'll just be a rotation player or someone to close out a game adding a physical presence in midfield.
Without that he'll just be a rotation player or someone to close out a game adding a physical presence in midfield.
Scott's problem is Fellaini stayed, Fred has come in and Pereira looks so much better for his loan move.
I agree that is a problem for him but his main problem is that he isn't really good enough. At a club like United you need more to your game or you will be replaced.
He had a huge opportunity last season because of the lack of personnel. Herrera, Fellaini and Carrick were injured and Pogba was sulking about playing in a 2. He really got the opportunity by default.
More numbers added in midfield should mean Jose doesn't get left so short again.
Agreed. He should absolutely go out on loan this season as there are 6 players ahead of him. A season in the Championship will do him a world of good.
The scenes on here when he starts ahead of Pereira...
Agree.....like I said if he played for say Southampton, we aren't signing him as a prospect. For me he is a symbol for Jose to hold up and say 'this is what happens when you listen to me'.....he's like that teachers pet that can't do no wrong in the teachers eyes so everyone hates them...
Just to add to your point Axel couldn’t get a game at Villa neither at Centre back or right back.
I don't see any difference between OShea and McTomminay in terms of quality while they both were 21-22.
I have never even considered that OShea would be a main player, starter for United. When Fletcher just started to play on the right, that was around a time he was 21 as well, he also looked miles from what people expected from United player.
Gibson level player.
I personally don't see yet any significant talent in him to develop into a starting eleven United player. Things can change quickly however, since the lad is still young and might be a late developer. He needs a loan where he can showcase what he is good at on a weekly basis, rather than cameo appearances and the odd start here and there.
If that
O’Shea forced his way into our team on merit, and played every game. He was picked for games against Real Madrid, Arsenal away (when they were our main rivals), and was most definitely expected to be a long-term regular. I suspect you don’t remember him properly.
And Fletcher was 19 when he first played, and was MOTM against Basel I believe on his debut at OT. Fergie wanted to play him in the league at 15 I believe but was blocked by the league. That’s how highly he was rated. McTomminay could have left the club at any point in the past 3 years without anyone caring, and he could leave the club this week without anyone caring.
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