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Only the gullible onesWhat a surprise. The media are having a field day with our fans.
Only the gullible onesWhat a surprise. The media are having a field day with our fans.
This.It's extraordinary that we have these two competing narratives that either (a) everything is more or less fine within the usual variables, or that (b) they're not talking to each other at all and it's all gotten pretty bad. Both are perfectly possible.
We can't know which is true, because we live in a world of fake news and clickbait where everyone lies. I no more trust Sky Sport/club press office news than I do The Scum. So it's purely down to what fits into your personal world view. But none of us has any good reason to think we're right.
How can anyone read that article and conclude that Pogba's a massive knob? Our so called fans are so unbelievably fickle.Feck me, he really is a massive knob, isn't he?
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this was Mourinho manufactured to try and instil that siege mentality, he has a lot of contacts through the media so would be easy enough to start a them vs us type thing.There should be a huge seige mentality around the club after this. ABU scum love to read negative things about us, it gives them ammunition. Some of them are members of the press and are being allowed to blatantly lie ffs.
I hope Jose bans them.
Custis is a twat, I need to see that video of LVG calling him a fat man for perspective.
If a lot of, what? These current "events", or something else?I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this was Mourinho manufactured to try and instil that siege mentality, he has a lot of contacts through the media so would be easy enough to start a them vs us type thing.
Either way I do think he has been trying to get that mentality.
Oh god Trump logic has filtered through to football fans, that really could be altered easily to depict the anti climate change loons or flat earthersIt's extraordinary that we have these two competing narratives that either (a) everything is more or less fine within the usual variables, or that (b) they're not talking to each other at all and it's all gotten pretty bad. Both are perfectly possible.
We can't know which is true, because we live in a world of fake news and clickbait where everyone lies. I no more trust Sky Sport/club press office news than I do The Scum. So it's purely down to what fits into your personal world view. But none of us has any good reason to think we're right.
It's not really the fault of the fans. It's that no-one trusts what they're being told and why should they? For what it's worth, Pogba's attributed quotes seem to make it more likely than not that he's trying to work an exit, so the flat earthers in this scenario would be the 'move along, nothing to see here' brigade.Oh god Trump logic has filtered through to football fans, that really could be altered easily to depict the anti climate change loons or flat earthers
Do you write narrations for Sky Sports Super Sunday trailers?Things have really changed. Maybe folks like me just need to come to terms with reality.
The Manchester United I know, it's manager power over star player power. The manager is the boss and that's final. Players bottle their issues or deal with them behind the cameras. They don't come out to say what Pogba said.
The Manchester united I know, wearing the captain's armband of United is almost sacred. It's like the greatest honour you can bestow a player in world football. You don't wear it and then come out to say stuff like what Pogba said. The United I know, the board is where managerial issues are resolved. Captains don't come out after the first game of the season at home when the team badly needs a rallying cry, to be giving cryptic, unsettling messages to the press.
Yep. As are the accounts of the meeting this week, the claims that Pogba is agitating for a move/improved contract, the numerous reports from England, Spain, France and Italy of Raiola shopping his client around Europe for the last 6 months, Guardiola's quotes at the beginning of the year, and any suggestion that there's a personal problem between Mourinho and the player. One giant media conspiracy designed to stop the joint-third favourites for the Premier League from winning the Premier League.Wait so are people saying the Pogba quotes about being fined if he talks are made up?
We don't know what Pogba was referring to with those quotes. I'm inclined to believe that this situation has been blown out of proportion by the media. The exact same thing happened last year and Pogba basically said don't believe the media. It happened before the Liverpool game and he made a point of showing, on national television, that there is no issue with Jose.It's not really the fault of the fans. It's that no-one trusts what they're being told and why should they? For what it's worth, Pogba's attributed quotes seem to make it more likely than not that he's trying to work an exit, so the flat earthers in this scenario would be the 'move along, nothing to see here' brigade.
As I said earlier, anyone who has or supports Taxidermy of animals, is a cnut!How can anyone read that article and conclude that Pogba's a massive knob? Our so called fans are so unbelievably fickle.
Do you write narrations for Sky Sports Super Sunday trailers?
I don't believe so, just this completely unfounded nonsense from the sun/mail.Wait so are people saying the Pogba quotes about being fined if he talks are made up?
I'm assuming you're a vegan then, with your fine upstanding moral fortitude? After all, the dairy industry is much, much more egregious than taxidermy. At least the animal's end is in sight in the latter, while for the former you're looking at a lifetime of torture.As I said earlier, anyone who has or supports Taxidermy of animals, is a cnut!
Now, if you wish to defend him or anyone for that, you too in my eyes, are also a cnut
Not about being fickle, it's about having decency and respect for the world and life
So you support the killing of innocent wild animals like Lions and Tigers then?I'm assuming you're a vegan then, with your fine upstanding moral fortitude? After all, the dairy industry is much, much more egregious than taxidermy. At least the animal's end is in sight in the latter, while for the former you're looking at a lifetime of torture.
So you support the killing of innocent wild animals like Lions and Tigers then?
Right, well you're not worth wasting time with...
For some reason people see killing a lion and cow completely differently, when both should be treated equally, society is messed up beyond belief unfortunately.
Where did I say that? I'm just saying if you are consistent in your, admittedly admirable, indignation at the suffering of animals, then surely you'd be equally vociferous in your disgust at the dairy industry?
Otherwise calling someone a cnut for having a taxidermy on the basis of the animal being harmed (and its not like Pogba himself killed the animal) is a bit hypocritical if you yourself are consuming animal products and by extension, are guilty of the same crime that you have accused Pogba of?
Yup, especially since a cow isn't even a predator like a lion or a tiger. In the case of the latter, it can often be a case of killed or be killed in the wild. A cow, on the other hand, harms no one.I look forward to the next chapter in this saga, who needs Hollyoaks.
For some reason people see killing a lion and cow completely differently, when both should be treated equally, society is messed up beyond belief unfortunately.
A lion maybe at most, kill you. A cow may not do much but hundreds of them feckers fart out the Green House effect that slowly kills generations.Yup, especially since a cow isn't even a predator like a lion or a tiger. In the case of the latter, it can often be a case of killed or be killed in the wild. A cow, on the other hand, harms no one.
That's not to say that poaching or hunting of tigers or lions is fine btw, but I just find it strange that people aren't consistent in their denunciations and their protesting of animal rights.
The next logical step is to decide who is the lion and who is the cow out of mou/pogbaCan you guys not take this to the Killing a lion versus killing a cow thread?
Sounds about right.Basically Pogba was average last season, had a good WC, got his ego up a bit and says some cryptic but vague things. Doesn't like that Mou has no PR filter and tells him he's sh*t when he's sh*t. That's pretty much the story, nothing else has really happened.
Yup. Fergie was obviously right about him being a wrong ‘un.In reality probably 80-90% of this media shitshow is down to Raiola's machinations.
Knew we'd end up regretting doing so much business with that slimy odious leech. You can tell exactly what sort of a crook he is when you look at him, the sort of small time mobster who gets killed in the first 10 minutes of a gangster film.
Tried to keep it from my mind, because we were signing Ibrah and Pogba and Mkhitaryan. But I still knew.
What does Raiola do with Pogba not meeting expectations on the pitch consistently enough or him speaking out of line in post match interviews?Yup. Fergie was obviously right about him being a wrong ‘un.
I reckon Pogba’s had someone in his ear telling him he’s the bees knees and it’s all everybody else’s fault when things didn’t go great for him last season. Which is why he came out with ludicrous shit like why he doesn’t need to run hard because Messi doesn’t cover much ground either.What does Raiola do with Pogba not meeting expectations on the pitch consistently enough or him speaking out of line in post match interviews?
The waving to other clubs I understand is a Raiola thing but that's about it
Sounds like he's surrounded by complete idiots, his manager was disappointed he didn't "call out" his own manager in his press interviews? What a cretin.No, I was wrong. It's a Lion, not a Tiger
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...france-star-paul-pogba-looking-impress-Russia
The "Pogkitchen"
When a player allows their agent to represent them like Raiola often does they are either weak, a twat, or both. Same could be said about Rooney's agent and the cretins that represent Toure and Lewandowski. When you sign a player with an agent like this, you also sign the chaos that ensues next time they want a raise/transfer/have their feeling hurt.In reality probably 80-90% of this media shitshow is down to Raiola's machinations.
Knew we'd end up regretting doing so much business with that slimy odious leech. You can tell exactly what sort of a crook he is when you look at him, the sort of small time mobster who gets killed in the first 10 minutes of a gangster film.
Tried to keep it from my mind, because we were signing Ibrah and Pogba and Mkhitaryan. But I still knew.