If we won the last 3 games, irrespective of how Pogba played you aren't reading that shit. Losing just brings the worst out of people and maybe they should be asking since DDG, why have all our transfers turned out to be so poor. It can't be all about the players? Liverpool, City, Spurs and Chelsea transfers haven't all been successful but they have got more than one!!!!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I think our transfers under Jose have been quite good to be honest. I remember having an argument on the forum about this a few weeks ago.
The problem is that we have been switching styles like a yo-yo, and each style requires a different type of player. Smalling was a beast of a defender under LVG - but he seems to not know what to do under Jose. LVG's possession football, without too much structural movement, allowed United to be compact in defence when the ball was lost. Smalling (Mike) was great when he knew that he had back-up if he had a misstep. Under Jose, we try to absorb pressure and transition quickly, so the CB's are more exposed if they make mistakes. The knowledge of that makes Smalling's defending poor.
3 bad games in the group stages, very good game against Argentina, an absolute terrible first half in the final, followed by a good second half, does not translate into an "excellent" world cup for me
Manchester United never has been, and never should be, just a job. We're a massive club with a unique history that deserves a great deal of respect. Granted, the majority of footballers these days don't care about that and fair enough. However, listen to what Fergie said when he joined the club.
He talked about the national "care" for the club and the "great responsibility" of representing Manchester United. I think Pogba is uniquely talented but better players than him have bypassed the club and I for one think, mostly through his agent, that he's bringing the club down. Is he playing well enough that he's indispensable to the team? Clearly not.
Do you think Fergie would deal with all the drama that surrounds him? I really, really doubt it.
Probably because you're not describing Paul Pogba's World Cup, then.
Agree and it's not dissimilar to on here as it makes for a very toxic environment.
So what happens when the club doesn't want a player or manager anymore? What happens when they don't want to leave and uproot their families? Are they granted the same respect? Don't we 'sack' managers, do they not lose their 'jobs'?
Explain how he's 'bringing the club down'.....'what drama surrounds him'?
Yep Fergie would never have to deal with players drinking and gambling, taking recreational drugs, suppose to be injured but seen shopping in London, sleeping with prostitutes, dating page 3 models, dating pop stars, having club captain sent home early from WC, seen out in Manchester the day before a big game, kicking a football fan during a game....
He's posts on social media, wears flash clothes and drives nice cars. I know lower division players that do that....
Who knows, maybe he decides to pull a shift today. With transfer window being over and all. At least till January when rumors can start again.
I think inevitably we end up down the same cul-de-sac, the players at the club are not the right fit for how he wants to play.
Doubt it. If anything, we should get a nice little uptick in performance in late December. When he’s back in the shop window again.
Pogba is best when he isn't the main-man. Thats imo true both for Juve (Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Bonucci, Buffon, Chiellini, Tevez; only in 15/16 he had somewhat of a leading role, while he was hardly alone) and France (e.g. Griezmann, Kante, Mbappe). For United he is the main-star. Everyone expects him to do everything, but thats not what he is best at all. We'll only get the best out of Pogba when there is less focus on him. Yet we are seeing the exact opposite. In the current situation everyone expects even more from him.
Yeah, probably something like that.
They havent gone away boss
Yes because you can crystallize pretty much every argument that seemingly goes against the grain just to frustration borne out of not winning game after game.
it's not like they have some merit to them if the thought police decides so just because they don't like reading it. Pogba is obviously a world class midfielder who has done it all and has nothing to prove.Let’s hope he’s on the bench today.
I know, it's just he cant go anywhere right now.They havent gone away boss
But with all these rumors there's probably no future for him at United I'm afraid.
Or let’s hope he plays, scores and assists, and make people like you look like fools. I mean, what would you have in his place!? The extremely average Andreas? The unproven Fred? Fellaini? People don’t know what they got till’ it’s gone. A bit like wanting to sack Mourinho, then mentioning some obscure manager from the Ukraine to take his seat, or even Carrick or Nicky Butt.
He plays well when he wants to. Problem is he doesn't want it often. Just like any incosistent player.
Also think he cares about France far more than United so he put on an extra shift in WC. You don't see him doing any shite show wih them like us.
He will probably raise his performance as the season goes on so that even if he wants to leave he'll convince Barca he's the real deal.
Also think he cares about France far more than United so he put on an extra shift in WC. You don't see him doing any shite show wih them like us.
He will probably raise his performance as the season goes on so that even if he wants to leave he'll convince Barca he's the real deal.
Why is that even expected from him ? If you expect a lot of thing he's never really provided most of his career, of course you're gonna be disappointed (the "you" is general and not specifically aimed at you).
Most fans are just simply asking for competent and consistent midfield, whatever else he could add on top of that (goals,assists, dribbles) is a bonus but for United he doesn't even do the basic job of a midfielder/role consistently.
Most of the heavy drinkers at the time were punted from the club. Ultimately when Keane started running his mouth, he was punted too. Rooney was on the verge of being sold as well had Moyes not saved him. When Beckham started to get out of line and covet fame, he was sold to Madrid. Of course Fergie dealt with drama but more often than not, it was a one time thing. The exception being Ronaldos courting of Real - but at the time he was the world's best player - not turning in piss poor performances week in, week out.
My problem with Pogba stems from his agent. If Pogba wasn't actively trying to drum up noise, wouldn't he either instruct Raiola to button it or find another agent? The nonsense before the derby last year, his comments after the opening game this year, coupled with his overall average/poor performances makes me think we should get rid if we get a decent offer - which you're right, we will. Also, he's clearly trying to undermine Mourinho's authority which, regardless of your thoughts on him, is unacceptable
My point was that I'm fairly sure if Fergie was manager, he'd probably offload him. Based on his performances for us, he's hardly worth the hassle.
I'm not disagreeing with you nor vice versa. Pogba played well fr France but he wasn't the single biggest factor or anything in their success is what I'm trying to say to all those who point to the world cup that he's this juggernaut of a midfield monster we absolutely cannot lose. That would have to be a 2010 Rooney or 2007 ronaldo level player which he simply isn't as yet. OTOH he needs to be criticised for why he can't grab the game bu the scruff of the neck more often for us for which we mostly hear excuses made for him, he is a part of the problem honestly when the team is not playing well and he is just ambling around at 2nd gear not releasing rhe ball quickly enough n trying to dribble when not needed thereby losing the ball.
Don't understand any of that but it's amazing how when we win, it's rare anyone posts anything negative irrespective on how he's plays. When he scores against City, why weren't people posting how they still didn't want him here? Amazing that when he was lifting the World Cup, how people weren't posting he's still shit and we don't want him back here.Yes because you can crystallize pretty much every argument that seemingly goes against the grain just to frustration borne out of not winning game after game.
If people don't rate him then be consistent as you can't have it both ways.....
The people who are saying what they are are saying it regardless of whether we win or lose. It's you who's lazily making the assumption that they are just spitting the dummy out when we don't win. And it is nothing personal against the object of criticism either. All the dance moves, hairstyles , multicoloured shoes , social media activity and what not will rightly be panned if be isn't giving it his all. I have seen maybe one game last season away from home against I can't remember especially whom where he did what I am talking about and what most of us want to see.
I get you.
During the WC he was an efficient part of a well oiled machine, that is the Pogba we need. People (and even himself) think that because he cost that much money, he needs to be superman all the time, saving our asses. He honestly doesn't and all the few times he focuses on being a part of a machine, all his teams become instantly better.
That is what fecking annoys me with him, he plays with a stupid immaturity at times, it serves no one and it's crazy that no one in his entourage wanna encourage him to be that efficient player.
He just needs to look at the best midfielders in the world (he thinks he is one of them but he isn't) and see how they play. None try to be a hero or take too many touches with the ball.
Only Pogba can have 3 bad games in Group stage when he played in only 2 games.The thing with fans when speaking about his WC performance vs Man Utd performance is:
- Everybody expects him to drag France around like he tries to drag Man Utd around. Well, for france, there's no need for that. He was just a piece of a bigger and more functional unit.
- If he didn't score that much or assisted, or hell, even produce a 10 min YT compilation video that doesn't mean he had a bad world cup
His world cup was decent for a player that lacks consistency, it was even surprising. He had a few weaker games in the group stage, but even those weaker games were still better than the average performance he had for us last season (except those 6-7 games a season where he's feking unplayable)
You expect too much from him, that's most of ur issue. You're missing the "he can do complicated stuff" vs "should he do complicated stuff". IMO I don't think he should atm, we need to change half a team for him to do that, or even the manager.
I still rate the guy and I still think he can be the best midfielder in the world, but our team needs to progress a lot for him to become that, the team needs progress not him, we lack too much balance atm.
- Everybody expects him to drag France around like he tries to drag Man Utd around. Well, for france, there's no need for that. He was just a piece of a bigger and more functional unit.
- If he didn't score that much or assisted, or hell, even produce a 10 min YT compilation video that doesn't mean he had a bad world cup
His world cup was decent for a player that lacks consistency, it was even surprising. He had a few weaker games in the group stage, but even those weaker games were still better than the average performance he had for us last season (except those 6-7 games a season where he's feking unplayable)
You expect too much from him, that's most of ur issue. You're missing the "he can do complicated stuff" vs "should he do complicated stuff". IMO I don't think he should atm, we need to change half a team for him to do that, or even the manager.
I still rate the guy and I still think he can be the best midfielder in the world, but our team needs to progress a lot for him to become that, the team needs progress not him, we lack too much balance atm.
Complete nonsense. SAF didn't punt any of them until they were on the decline so it's hardly the same. Rooney wanted to leave so was hardly punted. Beckham left when again most thought his better days were behind him. Did he sell Eric for kicking a fan? So Ronaldo can court Real once he's playing well. Aren't those double standards? Once you are playing well, bringing the club into disrepute doesn't matter?
My point wasn't even that, what's Pogba done to dishonour the club? Whether people think his performances aren't good enough fine, but the double standards on here are laughable. You can't have a manager that openly criticise players and not expect them to not respond. What he should do is attempt to get the best out of them but he can't and therefore we have a list of talented players going backwards rapidly.
Be careful what you wish for as if he does, I'm not sure where it leaves this football club for attracting top talent....
And no mention of the Uruguay and Belgium games either, games in which he was very good too. I suppose when one is terribly biased, arguments have to be created out of nothing
Nail on head. Easy to look brilliant when you're surrounded by brilliant players.
France dont field Valencia, Young, Shaw, Smalling (plus one), Herrera, Fred. Good, but not great, players.
It's not surprising.
Honestly, Pogba can still do much better invidivually before even questionning the players around him.
I normally do not agree with Souness and I think he has an agenda but I think he is spot on about Pogba. He plays for himself. Sell him if he is not committed to the club and the cause.
State of people's agendas.Big game for him, but I don't see him being dropped like last season no matter what happens. It's clear that approach isn't working and Jose probably won't try it again. Or he wll oonsidering Luke Shaw's step up after public critique.
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He's starting to annoy me, not because of the missed pen, that's the least of the problem. It's yet another half arsed performance from him. Time to bench him for my liking, given their last games both Herrera and Fellaini simply deserve it more.
Preventing Lukaku from getting hattrick and took the pen for himself, dance around it then miss it.
Can't withstand him. He only thinks about himself.
Can't withstand him. He only thinks about himself.
He was much better today.
Though I imagine that pen miss will cloud people's judgement.
That run-up is truly horrific.
Though I imagine that pen miss will cloud people's judgement.
That run-up is truly horrific.
You do a stupid run up like that and you have to score. If you miss you look idiotic.
He invites pressure on when he does needless shit like that.
He invites pressure on when he does needless shit like that.
This place is a cesspit. So much negativity. He played well and should've had an assist. Happy with his performance.
He's clearly talented, but he's annoying as feck with his half-assed performance yet again. He looked comfortably the best player on the pitch when he was putting in the shift for like 5 mins out of the whole game.
He should be our best player, and yet he's strolling around the pitch nowhere near anybody when defending and surrounded by defenders when he's attacking.
He should be our best player, and yet he's strolling around the pitch nowhere near anybody when defending and surrounded by defenders when he's attacking.
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