Surely the masses of fans that watch the games every week are a pretty good judge of a players performances? It obviously means that those who don't rate him are in the minority. The Martial FC jokes seem so childish to me. I mean we all want United to do well and that is why many fans want him to play - because we believe it increases our chances of winning.
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Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I”m surprised that he’s still at the club...I thought he would be gone this summer,I expected him to move on as soon as we signed Sanchez in January....Lukaku and Sanchez will play when they are fit,and Martial can’t play on the right or as a 10...I can’t see any future for him at this club unfortunately...
4. The most common and likely reason - he was holding out for an even better wage deal from the club.
Every talented player does it.
That's 1, mate.
Interestingly that's what the MEN reporter says ages ago.
Exactly, so why is Martial trying it then
Giving him a pay rise based on one good season in his first season...
The best teams in the world have a ridiculous list of players they let go, meanwhile we are fighting tooth and nail for a talent that has written off 2 seasons (1 because he split with his partner and another because he doesnt fancy the manager).
The best teams in the world have a ridiculous list of players they let go, meanwhile we are fighting tooth and nail for a talent that has written off 2 seasons (1 because he split with his partner and another because he doesnt fancy the manager).
Well, yeah...the best teams in the world might do that but this is a different situation at United, and Martial is one of the few players you have that can make United's games interesting because he's exciting and impactful. His last season showed that, until Sanchez came around.
It's not as if you have world class players pushing each other to join Manchester United, might as well hold on to someone the club has placed a significant investment in.
Go on.
Really??? I could take just Real Madrid the list would be crazy. Let's look at just the last few windows.
Juventus - Coman, Pogba, Bonucci, Higuain
Bayern Munich - Gotze, Douglas Costa, Vidal
Real Madrid - Rodriquez, Alonso, Ozil, Di Maria, Ronaldo
Barcelona - Pedro, Neymar
And how much have those teams won in that period of sales compared to us?
That was the point. The best teams have a revolving door of talent so they have quality all over the team and don't become reliant on one player.
We were massively reliant on Martial in his first season which led to a massive overrating of him. Once we got more quality players in and he no longer was the main attacking force he's not been at the same level.
I'd argue the point is that these teams can let those players go because they have great squads without them. We need Martial because we are so lacking in conparison, quite clearly.
Except Martial has already rejected a contract and is a squad player? Giving him what he wants just so he might turn out good is not a plan any top clubs go for. You earn your new contract.
Based on how expensive young talents are nowadays, Martial should fetch a pretty penny yet clubs only wanted him on the cheap. That's because they don't even fancy him as a way to build squad quality, they see him as a gamble.
He surely as hell didn't earn a new contract but we need to keep him tied so that if we want to sell him we'll be under control.
That is what I think is happening. We are giving him a new contract to protect our investment. If he doesn't pull his finger out then at least we'll get our money back.
Pogba-sold for a world record fee.
Higuain-Past his best
Bonucci-Past his best
Gotze-Injured and never fulfilled potential
Vidal-Past his best
Costa-Clashed with the manager
Alonso-Past his best
Ozil-Sold for a shiny new toy
Di Maria-Sold for a shiny new toy
Ronaldo-Past his best
Neymar-
Yeah Barca really wanted him sold.None of them are remotely similar to the case of a club losing a talented youngster much less "ridiculous list of players".
I'm not certain we, as a club, can help his development any more. I'm starting to think a change is needed for both parties.
If that's your excuse for Costa, don't be sad for seeing Martial going then.Pogba-sold for a world record fee.
Higuain-Past his best
Bonucci-Past his best
Gotze-Injured and never fulfilled potential
Vidal-Past his best
Costa-Clashed with the manager
Alonso-Past his best
Ozil-Sold for a shiny new toy
Di Maria-Sold for a shiny new toy
Ronaldo-Past his best
Neymar-
None of them are remotely similar to the case of a club losing a talented youngster much less "ridiculous list of players".
He's a 22 year old with huge potential, not just a squad player. Arguing against the club trying to hold on to their best talent is a fecking weird one.
I think if bayern could do over, they would have kept costa given how soon ancelotti was sacked. Lesson for us maybe?
But your post looked like it's perfectly fine and a good excuse for selling a young talent. Otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it.I think if bayern could do over, they would have kept costa given how soon ancelotti was sacked. Lesson for us maybe?
No I was explaining why he was sold, bayern didn't let him leave for no reason but thibking about it he is probably the one who is more similar to martial than the other examples as he is playing close to his potential.
We won't also be selling Martial for no reason if it ended up happening.
He had only one good season so far (in an overall a terrible side) and we have been hanging on this one season waiting for him to unlock his "potential".
It's not even his performance issues alone but the complete lack of work rate in the final third of the pitch.
If this season goes on as the last 2, he wouldn't be earning a new contract if we're fair.
That's my stance everyone move on, sometimes things are just not meant to be.
I feel that under Sarri or Klopp or Pep he would be a much better player.
If his off the ball movement still like that no chance.
He doesn't have the work ethic to look anything special for Sarri, Klopp or Pep, something needs to fundamentally change inside him to be a success at a top club, or he's destined to just be yet anther player who had potential that was never reached.
Before sanchez was signed, he was our best attacking player. I don't blame the player for his performance after the signing.
So because someone else was signed in that position it's completely right for him to down tools and stop caring or doing any work rate in the final third ?
Baffling excuse that tbh.
City shouldn't have signed Mahrez to compete with Sane then, and Mahrez has been equally underwhelming for them.
Shaw also should have given a transfer request and told himself it's useless to put any kind of work as Young will play ahead of him anyway.
You perform your best, listen to the manager and improve your game only for the manager to sign somebody else to play in your position despite that person not performing better than you.
Yeah that's not demotivating at all.
Shaw wasn't performing better than young for any period of time or was our best defender.
Not sure this is the first time to be said but that's Manchester United FC not Martial FC. We're free to sign whoever we want to compete in the positions. We're entitled to secure the position for a certain player. Your only job as a player is to still give your all whatever the club buys or sells.
How has that happened though? He's lost his form for sure, but has he purposefully stopped trying to play well to make a point? No, it just doesn't work like that, he's just out of form for sure, but is been given very limited chance to find it again.
Just now it'd be the right thing to do to drop Sanchez and give Martial a proper run at things to find his form again, it won't happen though, but that's what he needs imo.
Right. Salah was on the RB position today on portions of the game defending for his team. There is no substitute for hard work how ever talented a player may be.
Disagree. His work rate since the preseason whenever he came on the pitch is absolutely terrible. I don't talk about his tracking back ..etc, but in the final third he looks as static as ever.
Similarly the player is entities to feel that the manager will never give him a fair chance and stop trying.
SAF greatest strength was making players feeler valued, in particular rotational players. Mou just can't help alienating them.
Should handle a transfer request and leave then.
If he doesn't care anymore, I'm not supposed to care about him either.
According to sources he did but our board rejected it as they are looking beyond mourinho's short term burn everything down strategy.
He's always looked disinterested/lazy, it's just his way, it's about the manger making the best of his attributes, of which he has more than most of our players.
I really hope we get him to sign a new deal, because as frustrating as he is, I'm a firm believer he'd be as good as we've got under the right manger/setup.
Who are those poor alienated players?