We judging Martial today lol. He came on to defend. Give him a break.
That is a fair point and to be honest, i dont think he added huge value tracking back with his causal jogs. What is more frustrating is when he is in great attacking positions he does not look interested or wastes it. There are two examples I noticed, he gets the ball, instead of rounding the player or even attempting it, he pretty much runs into the player and loses the ball. The second, lukaku squares to pogba, pogba is surrounded by players but holds up the ball. There is a huge space which martial could of ran into and perhaps could of had a shot on goal or created something. He pretty much watch pogba lose the ball and the walked up to defend. His mind is not at United, he looks defeated here.
Can’t judge him on today but it’s hard not too. Many of his shortcomings popped out in that cameo. I’m still a fan but he needs to show United something every chance he gets.
O ya
It's not even close - at this point, Nani's United career was far superior to anything Martial has served up. Nani was a genuine player of the year contender in 2010-11, and was pretty damn good the seasons before and after. Thus far (and of course things can, and hopefully will change,) Martial is barely half the player Nani was for us.
Sell him. He's trash.
Why not? He came on to do a job, and didn't really do it, did he. Because he wasn't very good he shouldn't be judged? Lukaku did more tracking back than Martial did, so if he came on to defend (which he didn't), that's embarrassing, isn't it.
I want him to succeed here, but its getting clear he doesn't, and it's pretty disgusting from a professional footballer.
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He didn’t come on to defend, there was space to break into and he was put on the pitch because of that. Defending was part of what he was supposed to do. Naturally with the score at 2-1 you would expect wide players to help out. Is he too good to do this or something?
I love he gets an every excuse out there. Even a 'he came to defend' one.
Jesus, reading this place makes my head hurt. Claiming he's after downing tools is nonsense. Do you think mourinho would involve him in any way whatsoever if he had downed tools?
The guy is low on confidence and that's showing through in his performances. I wouldn't be very confident if I had been dropped after being the most productive player in the team for half a season.
The guy is low on confidence and that's showing through in his performances. I wouldn't be very confident if I had been dropped after being the most productive player in the team for half a season.
The never ending excuses that are rolled out for this lad is insane. He's a massive disappointment and there's no dressing it up to be anything different.
There is no excuse for not busting a gut during counters or when defending (unless an injury). He is so lazy, he doesn't compensate that laziness with good football and skills nearly consistently enough to be excused.
That's the thing, if you're going to be lazy and not defend, you better attack like your life depends on it, and he doesn't. So why should he get away with being overall so shoddy?
People were in uproar about felli being offered a new contract, in my opinion did more to deserve it than Martial who shit the bed. People should remember Jose rarely comes out to slate players for their footballing abilities but rather their commitment and effort for the team, fans and manager.
But in the end it's up to Martial if he wants to pull a Shaw or not.
But in the end it's up to Martial if he wants to pull a Shaw or not.
His attitude shows everything that's wrong with football. He's making fcuk all effort when he gets a chance, he'll still pick up his considerable pay check and worse case scenario United move him on but he'll have no shortage of suitors and earn a similar contract. I too want the lad to achieve at United but Christ, you have to try.
No he did not come to defend. That would be Mctominay. Martial came on for counter attack since Watford was throwing everyone forward and there was space opened up.
Jose's first instinct after the goal was not park the bus, but to finish them off with third goal. Martial failed him and the team with his sloppy attitude.
His attitude wasn't right and thats surely inexcusable even to his biggest fans?
He came on to defend 
At least he won 3 player of the month awards last season, something to look back on with pride when he retires.
I’d rather sell him than give him a new contract that, most likely, is on a lot more money.
He hasn’t done anything to deserve a wage rise, quite the opposite in fact. The fact that he would be on very big wages could put off any buyers too and he could simply spend the next five years earning millions while being half assed.
He hasn’t done anything to deserve a wage rise, quite the opposite in fact. The fact that he would be on very big wages could put off any buyers too and he could simply spend the next five years earning millions while being half assed.
He isnt even close to Nani .. He and Berba almost single handedly won us the PL 2010-11.
You wont get far as a plater if you can't deal with being dropped.
He was dropped. Butthurt about it. Blame jose. But its still his duty as a player to pick up the next match.
He's been sulking about if for 1 whole year. When is enough is enough?
Beckham got dropped. Messi got lambasted for not winning the world cup. Ronaldo got whole england on his back on his winkgate. Didn't see him lose motivation.
The higher you get the more windy it is. He'll never be a great player if he can't motivate himself no matter which manager manages him.
You appear to have missed my point. I am all for rotation and allowing the in form player play. What I am not okay with is dropping our most productive player for someone who has been miles worse and destroying the first players form as a result. What really adds fuel to the fire is that Sanchez is perfectly capable of playing on the right wing.
If it’s true that Woodward wants to overrule Mourinho on giving this guy a new contract then something is seriously fecked at our club.
Perisic... centre backs... Martial... Mou is being proved right on all these things slowly but surely.
Yesterday’s performance was really disappointing from Martial and it’s the latest in a long line of similar showings.
Perisic... centre backs... Martial... Mou is being proved right on all these things slowly but surely.
Yesterday’s performance was really disappointing from Martial and it’s the latest in a long line of similar showings.
Yes. Mourinho is in the wrong about that. Probably.
But when will martial says feck it. It's done. Not gonna sit myself in sorrow over it and let's get back to being a good player? It's been a year. If he doesn't want to get his career back on track he'll only got himselves to blame.
What is it that he wanted? An apology? A transfer? Guaranteed spot? What if the next manager offended him, another move?
I'm lost to what is it that he wants.
What big team is going to go near him with performances like the ones he keeps dishing out? He's not doing himself any favours.
Like that. Martial appears to be only able to function when all the stars are aligned and the worlds a 'perfect' place. For me he is the sort of person that simply if someone's parked in his space at training, he's upset for the rest of the week Lol. I honestly think it's been too much too soon for the lad and I fundamentally believe he emotionally has some growing up to do. I think Utd hopes it happens here rather than elsewhere.
Have you ever played football before? When you're fit and confident, you play well. When you're not confident ie. Any time you play, you know you can be dropped for no reason, you don't play well. It really is that simple.
Unbelievably the ones who have most overtly said that he has downed tools are actually his fans - and what's more they think this is quite justified and acceptable. It's madness.
I think most people would be sympathetic to the idea that he might have lost confidence - but lost confidence leads to misplaced passes, holding on to the ball too long etc etc, there is no excuse for not absolutely busting a gut when he gets his chances. Ultimately he plays for the club/team first and foremost (let alone us fans) and you'd think he wouldn't want to let his teammates down regardless of his relationship with his manager. His attitude has been off for so long now - and it's something that has been commented on by previous managers too...so go figure.
Yes. A week or two. Not a year after.
Have you got those quotes?
Okay... so you're saying a year after you're dropped from the team and you still have no chance of getting in the starting lineup, you're confidence would be high?
We have reached the point of giving him excuses for not being professional and doing his job on the pitch. Had any other player in our history reached this level of excuses before ?
Perhaps we should never judge Martial?
Good luck you fans expecting Martial to turn into some work horse wonder boy after clearly showing he doesn’t want to play for this manager. It’s just not going to happen, he’s like your Ozil if he’s not comfortable he’s not going to perform. Moaning about it is just annoying as it’s clear what’s going on.
This is going to be a wasted year for him however because of his actions it will be pretty much sink or swim next season under the new manager. Stop thinking that ‘Martial FC’ fans care too, it’s more an embarrassment having to watch him perform like this but at the end of the day he’s shown enough for us to know he’s not crap.
This is going to be a wasted year for him however because of his actions it will be pretty much sink or swim next season under the new manager. Stop thinking that ‘Martial FC’ fans care too, it’s more an embarrassment having to watch him perform like this but at the end of the day he’s shown enough for us to know he’s not crap.
Martial should only be judged when he plays well.
Everyone knows he's not crap, that isn't the argument.
Everyone knows he's not crap, that isn't the argument.
No chance? Wasn't last nite he was given a chance to prove himself?
Agree but this is applicable to every single player at some point in their careers. I think the issue is people consentrate on what happens on the pitch and forget the most important stuff happens off it. Also one of the worst things you can do is set unhealthy precedents as it sends the wrong messages to both young and the experienced players at the club but equally anyone that joins it. Martial should only be rewarded by his commitment to the club. I have no idea about what happens behind the scenes but it is clear that a lad of his talent should be playing regular for both club and country.
Like said, I think like Depay it was too much too soon for him. He ends his childhood relationship and then starts dating models, in the same way Depay turns up to a reserve game in a brand new Rolls. I think agents have a lot to do with it too. Martial ceiling might be high but he won't be the first or the last who believes he deserves more than he's actually achieved.
You don't become great when you cannot motivate yourself. You never will. Attitudes don't change overnight, they are cultivated over a long period of time! Everyday the media and football personalities talk of Ronaldo's desire to win, motivating himself to go again year after year. A beast of a player. At United, before he left with one foot out he motivated himself one more time to keep fighting and he's done very well with that attitude since he's left us. You lots supporting Martial's terrible attitude are the problem with today's football. The manager wants more from him, is that a problem? Is Lingard any better than Martial? Martial can't place across the attack? How does Lingard who is not really that special getting ahead on the team sheet everytime? Does Martial feel he cannot displace an ageing Sanchez who in all honesty won't give more than 3, 4 years to us? I wouldn't want a player with no desire to fight under competition anywhere near my team if i was a manager. I can't count on you to give your all for the team always because you are a little whiny bi***