Bloody tag on a 2nd refendum amendment to Mays brexit vote then!
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That's what the DUP does. Collapse governments until they get what they want
It really is a shocking situation. You would think they were the ruling party in NI with the way this mess unfolded. Gotta keep the party that's losing voters every year happy against the will of the people themselves.
Its a scandal.
feck the people, the European Union is way more impotent.
Huh? Most Aussies think the UK has gone collectively insane.
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Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon team up in bid to block draft Brexit deal
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-c...up-in-bid-to-block-draft-brexit-deal-11558960
Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon team up in bid to block draft Brexit deal
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-c...up-in-bid-to-block-draft-brexit-deal-11558960
Any chance of SNP forcing Labour into a more pro 2nd ref position?
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Finally, someone more capable of negotiating a better deal being let into 10 downing street.
They won't convince Corbyn ,but i could still see this going to a second referendum .
First time Rudd has ever said something remotely human
What were the amendments out of interest?
Not really complaining, just sticking the knife in and twisting it. And he's right too.Hold on, he got what he wanted and he's still complaining?
Is this man real?
Of there's a GE, would be interesting to see Labour's brexit policy. The nonsese about SM access without obligation doesn't cut it.
200 holes in Blackburn Lancashire.
It's all gone a bit Monty Python.
I can only see three options really
1. They dont have a policy (we will seek to extend A50 and renegotiate a deal delivering on the will of the people and passing our 6 tests) - flannel basically and it wont hold up to scrutiny
2. put off the decision by having a second referendum (they would probably need to figure out what the question would be which wouldnt be easy either)
3. Blame Blair and ignore Brexit
they will probably go with a mix of 1 & 3 would be my guess
They have to run on something. Imo, 2&3 would be impossible to run on during the campaign. They would be slaughtered by the Tory mob.
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Can they actually block a no deal brexit though?
i mean it says in law we leave on 29th March and if we dont have a transition deal in place its no deal
There is a court case to see if the UK can unilaterally extend A50 (we may not be able to and the EU may not agree)
The EU have said they are not up for renegotiating the deal
so if they cant extend A50 unilaterally then it actually is Mays deal or No deal and they cant block it can they?
They wouldn’t have to extend it unilaterally if the EU agreed to an extension because of a new referendum being arranged.
I was hoping after I posted the tweet someone might tell me why a no deal Brexit is impossible.
The case is regarding the reversal not the extension. The process for an extension is clearly defined, it requires the unanimous agreement of the EU council and the concerned member state.
then parliament cant block a no deal then
If the government cant get its bill passed, and it wont seek to extend A50 (and possibly it cant revoke unilaterally - and has already said even if it can it wont) then it is mays deal or no deal and Amber Rudd is basically lying then? (not bad after being sacked for lying and getting her job back shes publicly lying again in less than a week - at least she is consistent)
yes but parliment cant force may to do that - hence they cant block no deal and amber rudd is lying ((yet)again)
The ECJ to some extent can create the law, so we will have to see what they say.
I need to add to this my vocabulary,
This makes no sense whatsoever.
You've been wrong before. Looks like there is a pattern emerging...
Parliament can force her to do anything they want, we don’t have a presidential system.
What is it about Corbyn that scares you that much?
I must admit I find him quite frustrating at times, but when I looked at his policies at he last general they all seem rather sensible, and I could not say with any confidence he'd be better or worse than having May/Tories at the helm. Certainly there is nothing I've seen that suggests having him as PM would be worse than a no deal Brexit, which will surely be catastrophic.
they really cant actually
They cant force a renegotiation if the other party (the EU) does not want to negotiate
Nor can they force A50 to be extended as again they cant force the EU to do that
So May says its her deal or no deal - and I dont see how parliment can block that (they could force a GE)- though again that does not (without EU agreement extend A50 or allow any renegotiations)
They cant force a different deal or block no deal - unless you can explain the legal mechanics of how they can?
They technically can stick on an ammendment to mays bill (if the governemnt allow amendments) but as I say that would not oblige the EU to stop A50 or renegotiate... so they cant actually block no deal unless they approve a deal - and the only deal on the table is mays deal
so explain to me how parliment can legally block it either being mays deal or no deal?... what powers are open to them - perhaps there is some arcane law you know of because I dont but Id love there to be - simply as my understanding is they can not block a no deal scenario if the government wants that.
Any deal has to be approved - but in the withdrawal act the default or backstop poistion to not getting a transition deal approved was leave on 29th with no deal and thats enacted in law - cant see how they can change that without government wanting to
My phone.
Jesus. That's now logged at work. Thanks.Let's change the vocabulary.
Instead of calling it May's deal - let's call it what they EU will offer - the EU Offer - May had very little to do with it anyway.
When parliament vote meaningfully they have a choice of accepting the EU offer or not.
If they accept the EU offer it goes through and the UK leave on 29th March with something resembling the offer as it is.
If they refuse the offer the default is no deal.
The only other choice is to remain if all EU27 and the UK agree to rescind A50.
Doesn't matter if the UK has a second referendum , a change of leader, a general election or Jeremy Corbyn becomes the Pope.
What the hell has happened to the UK. Not only the Brexiters have lost it.
Instead of calling it May's deal - let's call it what they EU will offer - the EU Offer - May had very little to do with it anyway.
When parliament vote meaningfully they have a choice of accepting the EU offer or not.
If they accept the EU offer it goes through and the UK leave on 29th March with something resembling the offer as it is.
If they refuse the offer the default is no deal.
The only other choice is to remain if all EU27 and the UK agree to rescind A50.
Doesn't matter if the UK has a second referendum , a change of leader, a general election or Jeremy Corbyn becomes the Pope.
What the hell has happened to the UK. Not only the Brexiters have lost it.
Mostly reinstating poverty measures/impacts to the treasury's reports which the tories had stopped.
How would you cut the obscene train fares across the country?
I really wish the labour manifesto was what Tories thought it was.