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Jezza lad saying how it is, not wanting to miss a bit of I'm a Celeb. Man of the people, oh Jeremy Corbyn.
Is he taking the piss?
He knows we live in a country full of morons who would rather watch a few has beens rather than get informed on the biggest threat to this countrys stability since WW2. He knows he won't be able to get his message across if no one tunes in so he's absolutely right to not want the debate to clash with a popular TV programme among the sheep!
Get informed by May and Corbyn? You’d have to be a pretty big moron to watch them debate something they know nothing about.
Debates are always rubbish but the BBC debate sounds like a awful clusterfeck
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Will the BBC have a Kremlin backdrop behind Corbyn again?
Fabulous! Foreigners, but different foreigners! Exactly what the Brexiteers were after right from the start. Over the moon they'll be.
EU immigrants down 13000 from March 2018. Non-EU immigrants up 13000 from March 2018 - overall same number.
Brexiters are getting what they wanted - more immigrants from outside the EU, that's what they wanted, wasn't it?
Our six-term Labour leader, the illiterate, Commie-loving, British hating, nationalising taxocrat Comrade Jeremy CorbynI'm expecting something like this:
Hey I'm no longer illiterate
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This poll is confusing but strongly indicates that a second referendum would be no panacea.
May's deal+No deal strongly outnumber Remain.
http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/steve-fisher-condorcet
By looking at proportions of voters in the 1st poll, you can conclude that don't know/won't vote are breaking *against* remain which would be expected at 45% if the trends from the left hand side poll held.
May's deal+No deal strongly outnumber Remain.
http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/steve-fisher-condorcet
By looking at proportions of voters in the 1st poll, you can conclude that don't know/won't vote are breaking *against* remain which would be expected at 45% if the trends from the left hand side poll held.
https://www.parliament.uk/documents...idence-from-the-Prime-Minister-29-11-2018.pdf
Theresa May's evidence to the Commons liaison committee.
She's barking mad.
Theresa May's evidence to the Commons liaison committee.
She's barking mad.
It's no surprise the goverment has gone for the BBC as they know they'll skew it in the goverments favour.
She'll get to see the questions before hand and it'll just be the same old spun lies.
Christ how demeaning would it be for Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland, to ask Jeremy Corbyn a question from the audience. Feck the BBC.
Only if she takes it seriously. She should just ask him about his allotment.
Can someone give me the very simple basics of what is happening right now? A deal is being negotiated? How are negotiations going?
Could they invite a pro-Remain QC to the panel? It might be the only way to get May to answer a question rather than robotically repeating platitudes.
- Justine Greening, the Conservative former education secretary and a supporter of a second referendum on Brexit, has said that there is time to organise one to take place on 30 May. Speaking at a People’s Vote event she said:
Hello, in the EU we are voting for a new European parliament between the 23rd and 26th May. The UK will have no seats. Which planet are you on?
There are two separate things-
1. The withdrawal agreement, which sets out interim measures for the period between the UK leaving in March 2019 and the UK-EU agreeing an agreement on their future relationship. This has been agreed between May and the EU but may not get through parliament. If it does not get through parliament (even on a second reading maybe), then we are in crisis mode - general election, second referendum...The EU is unlikely to renegotiate this agreement and, in the absence of an agreement to extend the 29 March leaving date (to which the EU would probably agree to only if there was a 2nd referendum on the table), we crash out on 29 March and all hell breaks loose.
2. The longer-term agreement on the future relationship - this will not be discussed until and unless the withdrawal agreement is signed (the latter includes 7 pages of waffle about the parties’ intentions).
In short - it’s a total mess. Thanks, David Cameron.
According to May and the EU negotiations are over. Some people think the EU will reopen negotiations if we ask them nicely, after parliament votes against May, or after a general election perhaps, others think the EU will not re-negotiate at all, or will not agree substantial changes at any rate. If the latter are right some people think the Act of Withdrawal obliges us to to leave the EU with no deal, whilst others think we should tell the EU we've changed our mind and want to stay, and if we ask to stay some people think the EU will say too late we've agreed you're going, others think they'll say ok mates carry on as you were, while still others think they'll say if you want to stay you'll have to accept new conditions, like joining the Euro and Schengen. I wouldn't waste too much time working it out yet though, because in December you can watch May and Corbyn explain it all on telly, unless you want to watch I'm a Celebrity instead. Which might not be a bad idea when I think about it.
Thanks for the replies. Seems like an interesting situation. The idea of there being no deal sounds pretty terrifying from an English perspective though!
Dominic Grieve would probably be up for it.
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The state of it.
I’ll be charitable and say that she must be absolutely exhausted after the last few weeks. Still, it’s basic stuff.
She also thinks the UK will get frictionless trade without being in the SM/CU.
Any other job and she would be sacked for gross incompetence.
What did we do to deserve these people?
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Makes me almost miss David Cameron
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I think at a certain level people interpret “leave without a deal” as carry on as normal, as though “the deal” is something in addition to what we currently have now. If it gets to Referendum 2, I don’t know how you would get through to those people. I would only be confident of Remain winning if they allow UK citizens in the EU to vote (100% justifiable as they are the people in the frontline of this decision) and lower the voting age to 16 (unusual but fair in that younger voters have to live with the consequences of this decision more than the OAP Leavers).
Yeah this simply hasn't been enough movement towards remain to justify another referendum. If it was clear and consistent polling of remain getting big leads, fine, but there's not. All the evidence is merely that most people would vote the same as they did, with a small amount of swap over between remain and leave voters.
It's also a huge risk that makes the mistakes of the previous referendum. Offering no deal on a referendum would be absolutely insane. What if it gets voted for? No deal has the exact same things in its favour as the previous referendum - namely the can promise everything because there's no deal and inherently everything is up in the air.
If May's deal gets voted down by far the simplest solution is an EEA+ deal, it achieves Brexit, it doesn't destroy the country, we move on. With a view to moving back into the EU in 20 years when enough people have died off.
The EU referendum showed the fundamental flaws of referendums, namely that you need an educated population, and in an in/out referendum one side can promise the world with no consequence.
Voted for them.
An EEA+ deal, whatever that means is actually worse than May's deal (the EU offer)
The Uk still have no say, still pay contributions, still have freedom of movement, but don't have a customs union so does not solve NI and still creates chaos at the ports. At least with the current offer the UK stays in the CU/SM for the foreseeable future.
Not me
Feck sakes
It's much easier to fudge the Customs Union like May's deal offers in the EEA.
May's deal is very fanciful, its all based on the UK negotiating wonderful trade deals very quickly which is likely to be far more damaging to the UK than just staying in the EEA.
Enuff did, some whining in this thread did. The irony.
At this point that is actually funny.