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I agree with Worldinmotion, Pressing is the way forward for our team. We have energy, pace and strength all over the pitch. Plus, I love that style of play.
Bingo. It creates urgency within itself though. You you're all pressing and your team mate wins back the ball it drives you and the crowd.I agree with Worldinmotion, Pressing is the way forward for our team. We have energy, pace and strength all over the pitch. Plus, I love that style of play.
something we can see for some 6 or 7 years from our screens, lack of pressing game basically made us top4 team from an elite team. You can win titles playing less aggressive style but you need a lot of world class players who will be great individually, we don't have that, you can see how Mourinho struggles, hence poor ability to create chances and score goals, obviously having someone like lindelof at the back won't give you high hopes to keep the clean sheet either but you can certainly have a go at the title or trophies with a inferior team which works well as a Unit and know how to press.Glad someone has said it.Tweet
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He's bang on.Glad someone has said it.Tweet
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You are right.Probably we are the only epl club who doesn't know how to collectively press and pass out from the high press
Look at the way Arnie is brining other players to the play.
Maybe Joses idea of a press worked a few years ago but football is always evolving. Jose sets his teams up to defend in zones. Each one is assigned an area of the pitch they'll press in that area but drop off. If the ball moves out of it. We see a single man press time and time again. Thats not laziness from players its just the tactics as we have seen in many games the players will work hard when allowed too. We are quick to have our wingers look like wingbacks but are always hesitant for our fullbacks to press high up the wing. What has really been the downfall of Jose is his failure to change. Smaller clubs have technical quality and even they play out from the back so we get easily dominated by any team that can play.
Very good post. Its this simple.Maybe Joses idea of a press worked a few years ago but football is always evolving. Jose sets his teams up to defend in zones. Each one is assigned an area of the pitch they'll press in that area but drop off. If the ball moves out of it. We see a single man press time and time again. Thats not laziness from players its just the tactics as we have seen in many games the players will work hard when allowed too. We are quick to have our wingers look like wingbacks but are always hesitant for our fullbacks to press high up the wing. What has really been the downfall of Jose is his failure to change. Smaller clubs have technical quality and even they play out from the back so we get easily dominated by any team that can play.
It is an excellent article by Delaney tbf. One wonders if he has gotten a ghost writer or something...Don't care much for Delaney. However, think it's interesting how vital it has become in the modern game.
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Explained in the next tweet as "pressing rate is the percentage of new open play possessions for the opposition in which they don't complete three passes in a row (and don't get off a shot or cross)"Tweet
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Stupid way to calculate itHigher than people might expect by this measurement:
Explained in the next tweet as "pressing rate is the percentage of new open play possessions for the opposition in which they don't complete three passes in a row (and don't get off a shot or cross)"Tweet
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Makes sense.Don't care much for Delaney. However, think it's interesting how vital it has become in the modern game.
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Dear mods, promote this poster.Maybe Joses idea of a press worked a few years ago but football is always evolving. Jose sets his teams up to defend in zones. Each one is assigned an area of the pitch they'll press in that area but drop off. If the ball moves out of it. We see a single man press time and time again. Thats not laziness from players its just the tactics as we have seen in many games the players will work hard when allowed too. We are quick to have our wingers look like wingbacks but are always hesitant for our fullbacks to press high up the wing. What has really been the downfall of Jose is his failure to change. Smaller clubs have technical quality and even they play out from the back so we get easily dominated by any team that can play.
It's just not a Mourinho thing. He trots it out for a couple of games here or there when he feels it's absolutely necessary in specific games but his default bluebrint does not involve it.So its not like we can't play high pressing aggressive games. Players very well know how to play from back as well. The aggression and grit they showed today was quite good.
I am 100% sure, a forward thinking manager will unleash the real potential of this team. Bar from couple of slow players we have a decent team to play high tempo games.
Liverpool have slow players in midfield but their pressing game is impressive. I never bought into the excuse we couldn't do itSo its not like we can't play high pressing aggressive games. Players very well know how to play from back as well. The aggression and grit they showed today was quite good.
I am 100% sure, a forward thinking manager will unleash the real potential of this team. Bar from couple of slow players we have a decent team to play high tempo games.
It's more than that. It's just impossible to be good at it if you don't obsessively work on it and make it your number one strategy. That's why it's strange when fans expect us to change mid season as though it's just a matter of working on it during the week and asking players to go out and run.It's just not a Mourinho thing. He trots it out for a couple of games here or there when he feels it's absolutely necessary in specific games but his default bluebrint does not involve it.
If we see the next manager employee a high press while it may take the team to get it spot on, it'll improve us big game.
Exactly. When Conte took over, so many journalists tweeted that Chelsea players are exhausted with Conte's methods as the number of sprints and running sessions was increased. When Poch took over Spurs, same thing was reported.It's more than that. It's just impossible to be good at it if you don't obsessively work on it and make it your number one strategy. That's why it's strange when fans expect us to change mid season as though it's just a matter of working on it during the week and asking players to go out and run.
Spot on. Pressing is a tactical strategy not a speed reliever thing. Barca possrs the best pressing midfield on Earth between 2009-2012. Yet it had Yaya Toure, Busquets and Xavi in it. 1 considered lazy and two proper snails. Iniesta the other guy is normal paced.Liverpool have slow players in midfield but their pressing game is impressive. I never bought into the excuse we couldn't do it
I think that's where Mourinho's frustration comes from. It is usually claimed that he is this type of coach or that type which comes with an example from a game here and there when the reality is that his only real style is the lack of one. This was in fact his strength. He could always adapt and use the week leading to a game to devise a specific strategy depending on the opponent. He refused to commit to one strategy and apart from the solid spine he always insisted on, the rest was decided on game to game basis.Exactly. When Conte took over, so many journalists tweeted that Chelsea players are exhausted with Conte's methods as the number of sprints and running sessions was increased. When Poch took over Spurs, same thing was reported.
This is something coaches work on obsessively, same with attacking. Like Hazard said, under Jose they didn't work enough that it became natural style of play.
Like anything, we just need to practice during training and apply it games. Eventually we'll get good at it. If we do it sparingly, no wonder we cannot sustain for long periods during games.Spot on. Pressing is a tactical strategy not a speed reliever thing. Barca possrs the best pressing midfield on Earth between 2009-2012. Yet it had Yaya Toure, Busquets and Xavi in it. 1 considered lazy and two proper snails. Iniesta the other guy is normal paced.
Yeah more or less spot on. Game has moved on, managers who adapts will do well and managers who are stubborn will be left behind just like how Wenger was.I think that's where Mourinho's frustration comes from. It is usually claimed that he is this type of coach or that type which comes with an example from a game here and there when the reality is that his only real style is the lack of one. This was in fact his strength. He could always adapt and use the week leading to a game to devise a specific strategy depending on the opponent. He refused to commit to one strategy and apart from the solid spine he always insisted on, the rest was decided on game to game basis.
His frustration is that this worked in the past. It made his teams very adaptable and capable to deal with different challenges. The difference however is the competition. Pre Barcelona 2009, the rest of Europe was the same as he was. Coaches did not build their teams with the same loyalty and obsession to let's call it Plan A. They were doing the same as him giving him the upper hand because he could outsmart them. The tactical structure of teams were on an even ground, meaning the difference was made by the players obviously and more importantly, the ability to devise a better specific strategy for your opponent. Mourinho was always brilliant at that. Now he is dealing with more refined and well rehearsed Plan As than ever. It highlights the lack of the same from him and makes his teams always looking on a mission to just stop the tide. His ego means he blames the players for their inability to adapt to different tactical demands. He refuses to accept that it's just much more difficult than ever before to go into a season without a clear defined style that has been drilled into the players from day one.
That's a good description of Jose's approach. But your criticism isn't justified. The problem is with the whole approach, not with wingers/wide forwards being too deep. They are there to defend space, without them it would be easy for the opposition given the passive half press tactics.I like a half press. When you press at the front and you win the ball back, the opponent is typically already in their end and has all their defenders back. So you win possession back, but still have a wall to get threw. I prefer to concede possession, retreat into your end, and when the opposition is in our end, then you press. This way, when you do get the ball back, there is a ton of space behind their defenders to launch a counter attack. Unfortunately, the way Mourinho does it, is he just has us holding our shape, and when we win the ball back, it's just Lukaku on his own as our wingers are too deep in our end defending to help him out. Look at these goals. On every one with the exception of OGS's first goal, there is a minimum of 3 players sprinting in the counter attack and it happens from our own half with a ton of space for our players to run onto. Now a days we don't see our players making guy busting runs. Everyone is checking in to collect the ball at their feet and looking to take players on rather than let the ball do the work...
Exactly. It takes sustained practice and fitness drills to perfect.Like anything, we just need to practice during training and apply it games. Eventually we'll get good at it. If we do it sparingly, no wonder we cannot sustain for long periods during games.
This.Roll on the next manager.