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The "lazy black player" stereotype
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Cole had to deal alot with the unintelligent stereotype earlier in his career
Yes, it went as far as supposed experts saying that he couldn’t score when he had time to think about the chance. Anyone who actually watched him play over a period of time (or even looked at a video of his goals) would know that it is absolute nonsense.
Don’t know if it was race related but Glenn Hoddle didn’t help Cole’s corner much with his “he needs 5 chances to score” comments. Regarding that comment, I would say that:
1) it is not true of Andy Cole
2) a 20% conversion rate is not actually that bad. According to the bbc, Salah has scored 10 from 43 shots this season.
Kenwyne was my national team striker for years mate, and rest assured, he was one of the laziest players I have ever watched in my life. Both lazy and not very good. When we had home games, the chorus of groans in unison when an attack broke down because of him not making a run, a bad pass or just the wrong decision, is a level of unity that we don’t see very often
I remember him scoring some nice headers, but other than that mostly being just a really terrible striker. If you're good in the air though you can carve out a pretty decent career in the English leagues, so..Kenwyne was my national team striker for years mate, and rest assured, he was one of the laziest players I have ever watched in my life. Both lazy and not very good. When we had home games, the chorus of groans in unison when an attack broke down because of him not making a run, a bad pass or just the wrong decision, is a level of unity that we don’t see very often
Lukaku is lazy. It’s not a stereotype to say so, because he is. You wouldn’t get anyone calling Young or Rashford lazy. It’s not a racial thing at all.
So first we had the “black players are athletes” stereotype and now we have the “black players are lazy” stereotype. So which one is it? Because they seem to be polar opposites of each other. Racism exists but it can’t all be a one way street for the rest of time. This argument of people being patronisingly told that they are “subconsciously” rasict even if they don’t mean to be is a sad result of modern day “victim culture”. Many players throughout our history have been accused of being lazy, out of shape, not intelligent on the pitch, not intelligent off the pitch without it being about racism. However calling lukaku a gorilla is quite astonishing, even if it wasn’t meant as a racial slur I find it hard to believe that the poster wouldn’t make the connection that it is in poor taste.
I just want to digress a second to say how much I just love the word "Silverback Gorilla". It is so smooth and buttery and rolls of the tongue just perfect. It even looks nice when you write it.
I think you’re making a strange leap of logic there, as if racists should be logical with their racists ideas so they don’t contradict each other or something. Racism is by definition illogical. So its possible that two contradicting racist stereotypes can exist at the same time.
Whether or not any of this applies to Lukaku is another thing. I was thinking he wasn’t putting enough effort in yesterday, but generally speaking I think he gets labelled with that criticism more than he deserves.
Well it depends what clarifies as racist. Personally I thought hating people based on the colour of their skin was racist but apparently now saying Kante is a great athlete or yakubu was a lazy footballer is walking the line of political correctness as if somehow a basic observation is now pigeon holing someone into a racial stereotype box. And if you don’t realise that you are doing it it’s because you wouldn’t understand, you have no history of racial bias against you and possibly are “subconsciously” a bit racist without knowing it.
Regardless, your comment about 'victim culture' weakens your point.
Why?
I find that thread fascinating really. 2007 but people are openly discussing the different attributes that certain racial groups possess that make them suited to certain roles or excel in certain sports(only read the first couple of pages so not sure how it progressed) can't imagine this board being comfortable with that type of discussion these days.
As a white guy looking in the negative stereotype that stands out to me around black players is over attitude. This comes from my playing days as well, playing against a team with a number of black players and the managers would always be on you to "hit them hard early on, see if they fancy it" Wasn't until later that I put it together that the managers were always more forceful in that instruction when the opposition had that core of black players.
The physicality stereotype is a tricky one, I know again from my playing days that if I was up against a white striker that I had never seen before that I would be far less fearful of them burning me for pace than if it was a black striker(assuming they were both in decent playing shape) I was undoubtedly making initial judgment calls based on stereotypes, but also experience.
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Because this...
...just makes you sound like yet another 'You can't say nuffing nowadays' type; which, I assume, you're not.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46581645
Victim culture
Regarding subconscious biases. If you dont know they exist it doesnt make you a racist.
However sometimes opinions are made which are clearly false but believed to be true based on those subconscious biases.
I dont think anyone is calling anyone subconsciously racist. The point is that some stereotypes have racist undertones because those subconscious biases have come about from many years of racism that has existed in the world.
Calling Lukaku lazy isnt an issue.
The fact most critism of blck players fall into the same categories and occur way more frequently than their white counterparts is the issue
Victim culture
Regarding subconscious biases. If you dont know they exist it doesnt make you a racist.
However sometimes opinions are made which are clearly false but believed to be true based on those subconscious biases.
I dont think anyone is calling anyone subconsciously racist. The point is that some stereotypes have racist undertones because those subconscious biases have come about from many years of racism that has existed in the world.
Calling Lukaku lazy isnt an issue.
The fact most critism of blck players fall into the same categories and occur way more frequently than their white counterparts is the issue
Agreed. I actually also think he understands the game and is aware of his strengths and limitations.
I think people often look for racism where it does not necessarily exist. As John Barnes said the other day on Sky we don't want to get to a place where all criticim of black people is deemed the result of racism. That would just lead to differences in treatment of people based on race which is really what we should be transcending instead of encouraging.
If someone thinks Lukaku is a lazy footballer that's an perfectly fair thing for them to say. It's not a racist comment. As someone who doesn't really see any relevance of skin colour in a players performance/ability etc it almost seems strange to want to bring race into the discussion in the first place. If that means I fail the wokeness test or something I'm absolutely fine with that. Most of it is nonsense anyway.
Just regarding Lukaku's intelligence which has been discussed, Martinez actually said he's one of the more thoughtful intelligent players he's dealt with. So it's surprising that people would say he's a dumb footballer. I wonder though if the idea comes more from his size and clumsy style of play more than his skin colour. I've never heard anyone call more elegant footballers like Seedorf, Henry, Eto etc dumb footballers. I think it has very little to do with his race to be totally honest.
Extremely poor choice of words calling him a gorilla, but to me this reeks of looking to find something racist than actual racism. All those adjectives have been used to describe Rooney, Shaw and take the weight part out Berbatov. I would be more inclined to believe that something racist was happening if not for the fact that players that aren’t black were called out for the exact same things that are deemed racist when applied to black players. No idea what people have against it, but the dancing and social media antics were used as a stick to beat Griezmann with, as was the clothing line Lingard is getting bashed for was the same case with Cleverley.
Remember the vast majority were happy we signed Lukaku instead of Morata. Now that he’s been underperforming the criticism level has gone up huge like it has with every other player. It’s always been this way no matter the colour of the player. Fellaini is a great example. Scores an equalizer he’s a great option to have. Plays like he did on Sunday he’s a useless donkey. I can think of very few players who went through their United career who haven’t been criticized in one way or had a label placed on them that was constantly brought up every time they had a poor game.
Remember the vast majority were happy we signed Lukaku instead of Morata. Now that he’s been underperforming the criticism level has gone up huge like it has with every other player. It’s always been this way no matter the colour of the player. Fellaini is a great example. Scores an equalizer he’s a great option to have. Plays like he did on Sunday he’s a useless donkey. I can think of very few players who went through their United career who haven’t been criticized in one way or had a label placed on them that was constantly brought up every time they had a poor game.
An interesting read. However I would say these are two different versions of “victim culture”. Gullit for example being repeatedly racially abused from the sidelines and feeling powerless to talk about it in fear of being accused of pandering to “victim culture” is awful and something that huge strides have been made towards clamping out. Both in the behaviour and the platform to address it. However the “victim culture” I am referring to is for example in this case lukaku being called lazy somehow makes him a victim of racial stereotyping when his performances this season and body laguage have looked lazy. As for the subconscious bias of black and white athletes being viewed differently by the media I can’t say I ever thought about it until it was mentioned a while back. I dare say maybe there is an element of truth to the stereotypes. Some sports that support different disciplines have been dominated by race. Golf and formula 1 racing have been predominantly dominated by white people (with very noticeable exceptions such as tiger woods and Lewis Hamilton) and sports like basketball and athletics at the highest level seem to be dominated by black people. Perhaps some people would view that as racist that golf and formula 1 are more technical and basketball and athletics is more athletic but the evidence is there for all to see. You could argue it comes down to finance as golf and racing are expensive hobbies. But boxing for example, a very mixed race sport. Look at the number of black heavyweight world champion boxers compared to whites over the last few decades. It would be overwhelmingly dominated by black men. Perhaps it’s as a result of these facts that people view black and white athletes differently subconsciously without it being a case of white people are made out to be clever and black people are made out to be big and fast.
Marcus Rashford Vs Matic. Case Closed
Ok so it’s not ok to call a person lazy unless they’re white. Thanks for clearing that up!
Fair point. On the other side, easily calling a person act/opinion as racist should be equally treat with contempt, regardless of skin color.
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That could mean general intelligence. For example, look at our own ginger genius Scholes or even Giggs, who are probably our most intelligent on the field players. Yet from their punditry and the way they talk, they don't seem the brightest/cultured etc.
That isn't what she said at all though.
Firstly, those two things are not mutually exclusive. Someone can naturally be a great athlete (very quick, very strong, can jump high etc) while also being lazy once they are actually on the pitch or even while training. Bolt for example was an incredible athlete but seemingly could be a bit lazy compared to some of this competitors when it came to training. It also goes without saying that people can generalise about a people who are not a homogenous group. For example, saying immigrants are simultaneously stealing our jobs while also somehow living off benefits. Someone can have athlete/ beast/ lazy as their go to descriptive words of black players and the current adjective used can depend on the player at hand, their current form etc.
I think it is a shame that you mention 'victim culture' as it is often used to downplay other peoples' experiences when the listening person cannot or will not empathise with what they say. Do some people exaggerate everything, look into things when they are not there? Of course. Some of these people are absolute buffoons. Unfortunately, some are also conditioned from a lifetime of experiencing those reactions, conscious or not. I wish it was this that people looked at. I know this will sound patronising but I genuinely don't mean it to be. When someone tells me about an experience I was not there for. Or something that happened to them. And I cannot, for whatever reason, relate to it at all. I try to empathise. I try to think about how those circumstances arose, why that person feels that way and the underlying reasons that shape that response. I still may not be able to fully get it but I at least try to empathise and do not dismiss peoples' thoughts as victim culture.
And people can have very valid reasons for sometimes acting in a certain way. One story always sticks in my mind from many years ago when I was a pretty junior doctor, working in the ED. Picked up a patient's file and was immediately told good luck by a number of nurses/ doctors as this person had been swearing/ shouting/ abusive since she'd come into the department. And when I first went to see her, indeed she was obnoxious, angry, aggressive and unpleasant. Yet when you delved further into what had happened. She was a woman in her 50s who'd been diagnosed with cancer. Her oncologist said they could hold off on treatment until she got another, unrelated procedure. By the time she had it and went back to the oncologist, the cancer had spread everywhere, with only palliative treatment available. So she already has a justified dislike and distrust of the medical profession. Then she'd told her GP and oncologist in the past few days that she was unwell and neither had bothered examining her. Now, I'm not judging them either, I don't know their schedules. But when you actually listened to this woman, apologised (for things that were not my fault), examined her, she was happy. She apologised for how she was and turned out to be a lovely woman. But I could have just put defences up, decided this woman was a scum for screaming obscenities at staff and done the bare minimum.
I find it more disturbing when people do not have the insight to realise that they hold subconscious biases which can affect how they treat others and the way those others are treated within the system. This is real. So many studies have been done on it but some still want to put their head in the sand about it. It doesn't mean that those individuals hate people of whichever race it is, it doesn't mean they want them all to leave the country or die. But we all have them. I find someone who genuinely thinks they see no colour whatsoever and thinks they hold no subconscious biases at all more worrying than someone who at least acknowledges them and tries to work on them. And again, it goes without saying that you can be of any race and hold subconscious biases towards people of any other race.
To clarify before someone comes steaming in. Yes black people can be lazy. Lukaku himself may well be lazy, I haven't really watched Man Utd this season outside of our game at OT. I am talking about the general approach, not this specific one.
It’s not drama, it is a luxury because it gives white people the benefit of doubt, whereas people of colour always have to be labelled as that.
That is a luxury.
That’s not what I said at all, but sure.
I do think that these accusations of racism are being thrown around too easily with regards to some of our players. There are definitely a lot of footballing racial stereotypes being pushed on this forum, especially for black players, but I feel like it's a lot more prevalent with transfer targets and players from other teams(people claiming that every black defender we are linked with is 'just another Bailly' etc.). I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of racism for comments they make about a player's work ethic when they are watching them every week. Sure, they may be wrong in their conclusions, but they are commenting based on watching the player, and what they perceive to be happening during our games. I think that regardless of the race, the majority of our players are getting similar levels of stick regarding effort, quality and attitude these days!
The gorilla comment is obviously abhorrent, and I'm not saying that no one may be coming at this with some subconscious bias, but on the whole, I don't generally see an issue with most people's comments regarding Lukaku and Pogba, and it seems like a few are far too quick to label some posts as racist, which is a pretty damning accusation.
The gorilla comment is obviously abhorrent, and I'm not saying that no one may be coming at this with some subconscious bias, but on the whole, I don't generally see an issue with most people's comments regarding Lukaku and Pogba, and it seems like a few are far too quick to label some posts as racist, which is a pretty damning accusation.
I agree. Calling someone racist shouldnt be taken lightly. Also in most cases the person isnt a racist or isnt even being called a racist. However once the word is used in any way, lets say someone is advised that something they have said has racist connotations then it seems that is taken as an accusation. We need to be able to get past that to have sensible discourse about such a conplex issue.
Not what was said at all.
I didn't even know this 'lazy black player' was a thing??
Just like I'd never heard the word "Yid" until I saw a video produced by The FA telling me not to say the word "Yid".
Just like I'd never heard the word "Yid" until I saw a video produced by The FA telling me not to say the word "Yid".
Confused now. I just watched a Chelsea video telling me to say it every time i'm in Golders green. Which one's correct...?
I think its been well established in this thread that the Lukaku being lazy example was not a good one. However the OP also mentioned Lukaku being “dumb”. Others have been mentioned Rashford and Martial being “unintelligent”.
What people are saying is that these biases exist from historical racism and it is not only being called the N word or having bananas thrown at you that people suffer with when it comes to racism.
Have you listened to Les Ferdinand talk about progressing in football boardrooms?
Anyway with regards to Golf and F1 you already answered your own question. Access, F1 and Tennis even are great examples where fathers spent a whole load of money to get their kids access Hamilton and Williams sisters and look what happened. Also those sports are just not popular in black culture because they didnt have representation. Now after the Williams sisters you now see more black female Tennis players coming through. Lets see what happens in F1 after Hamilton though access to F1 is even more difficult.
In the middle of writing this and finding out Jose has left the club. Sorry gotta go celebrate!
Apologies for the delay redlamb. Re the bolded. An important point missed here in the expected and predictable melee is that I called the thread in question as being full of casual racism. This was denied vehemently by a majority of posters, again not unexpectedly, whilst simultaneously showing a lack of understanding of the nature of casual racism as a form of racism itself. At no point have I called anyone a racist. They may be, they may not, I don't know this but what I have highlighted is, in my opinion, a high level of casual racism in that thread and also in matchday threads and in Lukaku's player performance thread. I've pointed out upthread how casual racism can manifest itself and how it can often be unintended or not meant as opposed to more overt racism. I also stated that we can all be guilty of it. I also stated early on that we can all be theoretically described as lazy irrespective of colour. This goes without saying.
There has been a "lazy black player" stereotype in football and as an older fan remember it well from the 70s onwards hence my reference to how far we have moved on since then. One of our former managers has been ostracised from the game for these very views. Is it as prevalent now? That was the question raised for me by the unending accusations of laziness directed at one player in particular. He may be lazy, he may not, but it is the insistent and consistent levelling of this particular accusation that resonated. It partly resonates because it comes in partnership with several other repeated accusations. One is that Lukaku is dumb, another is that he is fat, and another in that particular thread is that he is lying and untrustworthy. The repeated use of the "dumb" word is problematic for me also as for decades black people have been described as being dumb with the n-word attached as a chaser. Ir seems to me we've largely outlawed the n-word but a lot of the sentiment remains. Throughout that thread it's suggested that Lukaku's supposed dumbness has played it's part in him getting fat. His laziness also is implied as being a factor. So he's dumb, and he's lazy, he's fat and then according to multiple posters he's making excuses ie lying. In summary a thread on a Manchester United player develops over pages of what I interpret as casual racism to paint a picture that is, almost to a tee, a present day example of the Coon Caricature posted by @villain upthread (a good read) A black man employed for his physical prowess consistently described as dumb, fat, lazy, and untrustworthy because he is not performing to expectation.
So I should perhaps have titled the thread "Black player stereotypes" because the casual racism is much wider than mass and consistent accusations of laziness and there's the mob/pack dynamic to it. And the reason I spoke out was because, as this casual racism proceeded unchallenged, the inevitable happened. We got the black man is a gorilla post. Possibly still casual but so outrageous in 2018 that it would be difficult to not classify that as overt and intended and that's the end product of unchallenged, repeated casual racism.
I thought the talksport host was spot on. I'd not seen/heard that but he'd echo my views re the importance of the words we use, why we are using them and in what context. .
I find casual racism is rife on this board. It runs like a vein through the recent Raheem Sterling thread and is never far away from any thread, football or non football related, that touches on BAME players, people and culture. This thread is another example. It's a reflection of what I sense is the prevailing demographic on this board and the fury you get when you poke your head over the parapet and point out the issue isn't enough of a reason to keep silent and let it go. A baying mob decrying that this is an "attack on free speech" by an "extreme left winger"
, "deflecting from real racism", "stirring" etc etc. It's probably just a small taste of what it's like to be black in a white man's world but then a lot of white folk have always got very upset when they get told how they should speak about black people.We still have bananas being thrown at black players.
I don't know if it's a cultural thing, but here in Portugal the african player stereoptype is quite different, but still a stereotype nonetheless.
The african player is usually "seen" as a hardworker player with a lots of stamina, strength and they are usually very agressive on the pitch, but usually lack tactical and technical nous. This is usually applied to sub-saharian african players, since North African players have lighter skin and don't get included in the racial (or should I say racist?) pack.
They are usually nicknamed like "Tractor" and stuff like that.
This is still a form of racism, and shows how western culture still has a lot of it ingrained in our souls.
The african player is usually "seen" as a hardworker player with a lots of stamina, strength and they are usually very agressive on the pitch, but usually lack tactical and technical nous. This is usually applied to sub-saharian african players, since North African players have lighter skin and don't get included in the racial (or should I say racist?) pack.
They are usually nicknamed like "Tractor" and stuff like that.
This is still a form of racism, and shows how western culture still has a lot of it ingrained in our souls.
Excellent post. Casual racism is rife on this board.Apologies for the delay redlamb. Re the bolded. An important point missed here in the expected and predictable melee is that I called the thread in question as being full of casual racism. This was denied vehemently by a majority of posters, again not unexpectedly, whilst simultaneously showing a lack of understanding of the nature of casual racism as a form of racism itself. At no point have I called anyone a racist. They may be, they may not, I don't know this but what I have highlighted is, in my opinion, a high level of casual racism in that thread and also in matchday threads and in Lukaku's player performance thread. I've pointed out upthread how casual racism can manifest itself and how it can often be unintended or not meant as opposed to more overt racism. I also stated that we can all be guilty of it. I also stated early on that we can all be theoretically described as lazy irrespective of colour. This goes without saying.
There has been a "lazy black player" stereotype in football and as an older fan remember it well from the 70s onwards hence my reference to how far we have moved on since then. One of our former managers has been ostracised from the game for these very views. Is it as prevalent now? That was the question raised for me by the unending accusations of laziness directed at one player in particular. He may be lazy, he may not, but it is the insistent and consistent levelling of this particular accusation that resonated. It partly resonates because it comes in partnership with several other repeated accusations. One is that Lukaku is dumb, another is that he is fat, and another in that particular thread is that he is lying and untrustworthy. The repeated use of the "dumb" word is problematic for me also as for decades black people have been described as being dumb with the n-word attached as a chaser. Ir seems to me we've largely outlawed the n-word but a lot of the sentiment remains. Throughout that thread it's suggested that Lukaku's supposed dumbness has played it's part in him getting fat. His laziness also is implied as being a factor. So he's dumb, and he's lazy, he's fat and then according to multiple posters he's making excuses ie lying. In summary a thread on a Manchester United player develops over pages of what I interpret as casual racism to paint a picture that is, almost to a tee, a present day example of the Coon Caricature posted by @villain upthread (a good read) A black man employed for his physical prowess consistently described as dumb, fat, lazy, and untrustworthy because he is not performing to expectation.
So I should perhaps have titled the thread "Black player stereotypes" because the casual racism is much wider than mass and consistent accusations of laziness and there's the mob/pack dynamic to it. And the reason I spoke out was because, as this casual racism proceeded unchallenged, the inevitable happened. We got the black man is a gorilla post. Possibly still casual but so outrageous in 2018 that it would be difficult to not classify that as overt and intended and that's the end product of unchallenged, repeated casual racism.
I thought the talksport host was spot on. I'd not seen/heard that but he'd echo my views re the importance of the words we use, why we are using them and in what context. .
I find casual racism is rife on this board. It runs like a vein through the recent Raheem Sterling thread and is never far away from any thread, football or non football related, that touches on BAME players, people and culture. This thread is another example. It's a reflection of what I sense is the prevailing demographic on this board and the fury you get when you poke your head over the parapet and point out the issue isn't enough of a reason to keep silent and let it go. A baying mob decrying that this is an "attack on free speech" by an "extreme left winger"
We still have bananas being thrown at black players.
I wholeheartedly agree.Apologies for the delay redlamb. Re the bolded. An important point missed here in the expected and predictable melee is that I called the thread in question as being full of casual racism. This was denied vehemently by a majority of posters, again not unexpectedly, whilst simultaneously showing a lack of understanding of the nature of casual racism as a form of racism itself. At no point have I called anyone a racist. They may be, they may not, I don't know this but what I have highlighted is, in my opinion, a high level of casual racism in that thread and also in matchday threads and in Lukaku's player performance thread. I've pointed out upthread how casual racism can manifest itself and how it can often be unintended or not meant as opposed to more overt racism. I also stated that we can all be guilty of it. I also stated early on that we can all be theoretically described as lazy irrespective of colour. This goes without saying.
There has been a "lazy black player" stereotype in football and as an older fan remember it well from the 70s onwards hence my reference to how far we have moved on since then. One of our former managers has been ostracised from the game for these very views. Is it as prevalent now? That was the question raised for me by the unending accusations of laziness directed at one player in particular. He may be lazy, he may not, but it is the insistent and consistent levelling of this particular accusation that resonated. It partly resonates because it comes in partnership with several other repeated accusations. One is that Lukaku is dumb, another is that he is fat, and another in that particular thread is that he is lying and untrustworthy. The repeated use of the "dumb" word is problematic for me also as for decades black people have been described as being dumb with the n-word attached as a chaser. Ir seems to me we've largely outlawed the n-word but a lot of the sentiment remains. Throughout that thread it's suggested that Lukaku's supposed dumbness has played it's part in him getting fat. His laziness also is implied as being a factor. So he's dumb, and he's lazy, he's fat and then according to multiple posters he's making excuses ie lying. In summary a thread on a Manchester United player develops over pages of what I interpret as casual racism to paint a picture that is, almost to a tee, a present day example of the Coon Caricature posted by @villain upthread (a good read) A black man employed for his physical prowess consistently described as dumb, fat, lazy, and untrustworthy because he is not performing to expectation.
So I should perhaps have titled the thread "Black player stereotypes" because the casual racism is much wider than mass and consistent accusations of laziness and there's the mob/pack dynamic to it. And the reason I spoke out was because, as this casual racism proceeded unchallenged, the inevitable happened. We got the black man is a gorilla post. Possibly still casual but so outrageous in 2018 that it would be difficult to not classify that as overt and intended and that's the end product of unchallenged, repeated casual racism.
I thought the talksport host was spot on. I'd not seen/heard that but he'd echo my views re the importance of the words we use, why we are using them and in what context. .
I find casual racism is rife on this board. It runs like a vein through the recent Raheem Sterling thread and is never far away from any thread, football or non football related, that touches on BAME players, people and culture. This thread is another example. It's a reflection of what I sense is the prevailing demographic on this board and the fury you get when you poke your head over the parapet and point out the issue isn't enough of a reason to keep silent and let it go. A baying mob decrying that this is an "attack on free speech" by an "extreme left winger"
We still have bananas being thrown at black players.
I just wondered what a highly noted non racist was and how we'd even see that.
This place is absolutely obsessed with racism.
Do you wonder why?
Not sure if Lukaku is lazy but what I am sure of is that he’s not very good.