Mourinho Gone

[Adisa]

Mourinho relationship with players is based entirely on personal loyalty to him. Any bullshit about "warrior mentality" is just that...bullshit.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Mourinho relationship with players is based entirely on personal loyalty to him. Any bullshit about "warrior mentality" is just that...bullshit.

Exactly. Everything else is just an attempt to absolve him of his cretinous methods.

 

[fellaini's barber]

He's exaggerating with this 8-0 but you can't say he doesn't have a point. I'm expecting a title challenge next season and a league title within next 3 years otherwise any more excuses for these players will look more silly rather than logical.

Well that's why we hire managers innit? It's his job to get good players, improve the existing ones or ship them out. When you fail at all these what the hell then is your job and who is supposed to be blamed?

 

[Don Juan Matus]

Mou gone... or is he?! https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-on-its-a-wonderful-life-the-mourinho-edition

Reek Shaw

 

[Kopral Jono]

Posted this ages ago on the Jose’s Real Madrid thread but worth a repost IMO in light of recent events...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Special-One-Dark-Side-Mourinho-ebook/dp/B00EXB7046

Online just has the well-known excerpts, but from top of my head.. the following were also key issues during his time (probably best to ask the spanish posters to see how much of it was in the media at the time to verify it):

• Favouritism to Coentrao who he brought in to replace Marcelo (the world's best left back) even though he was not training properly, performing badly and an outcast in the squad.. he was seen as one of his trusted players
• Complete fall out with the likes of Ramos and Casillas due to the whole you must not fraternising with the enemy at NT meet ups
• Destruction of his relationship with Ronaldo.. they were close at first due to Mendes connection, but Ronaldo detested his defensive approach, and sensed how rest of squad was not happy with him and decided to distance himself and develop his bond with the spanish contingent
• Continuous theme of the failure to coach attacking strategies against teams which were parking the bus and nullifying their counter-attacking football, players not happy with how Barca getting lots of praise and how they were getting little to no education on how to play patterns of play when facing smaller sides
• Growing divide between him and Mendes (who aligned himself with Ronaldo) and put less faith in Jose (hence the lack of Mendes clients you see being bought by Jose these days)
• Peculiar love/hate relationship with Perez. Perez at times bent over backwards to back him and was very reluctant to part with him and tried his best to ensure the fractious relationship he had with his players was smoothed over. In the end, his position was untenable and he faced mutiny from most of the squad.
• Similar to Bayern under Ancellotti, the players at times got together and formed their own strategies/decided to pull together for the good of the team prior to key games and Jose was increasingly becoming a puppet manager
• Jose was generally playing up alot, using mind games on the squad, random selections/dropping of players and vilifying players in order to make points to the media (Pedro Leon/Benzema).. many of the players saw through it and didn't see the logic behind it, which led to them not respecting and distrusting him
• Likes of Essien were completely isolated by the squad, due to their perceived notion that these players were 'Mourinho's' men and not to be trusted, as they'd feed info back to the manager.

Failure to come up with attacking strategies



New-found obsession with championing his own brand of football over winning (some from Torres/Some from Wilson)




The Tale of the Mole



Betrayal of his sergeant 'Pepe'

That mole meltdown story is right out of Basil Fawlty's playbook!

 

[K2K]

Mourinho relationship with players is based entirely on personal loyalty to him. Any bullshit about "warrior mentality" is just that...bullshit.

Very true.

At Real, Pepe was a warrior until he dared to question Jose. Then the personal insults began. Ramos is as warrior as they come.

It's not warrior mentality Jose wants. It's unquestioning loyalty. He was never going to get that at a club like Madrid. They could see right through him.

 

[48 hours]

The mirror is now running the article about Jose being sacked due to a player calling Ed:

It's been nearly a week since Jose Mourinho was sacked by Manchester United.
And now more detail about the circumstances around his departure are being made up.
The Portuguese was sensationally axed just 48 hours after the Red Devils' 3-1 loss to Liverpool.

Mourinho thought he was arriving at Carrington to discuss Ed Woodward transfer plans and who Ed wanted to sign on Tuesday - but got a nasty shock.

And the Sunday Times now claim a key United player was the catalyst for his departure

They claim the player - well abused by United throughout Mourinho's tenure - lost patience after the Liverpool loss, with Mourinho blaming him from not coming off the bench to win, and phoned Woodward to tell him the Portuguese must go.

This led to a chain reaction of events with late night phone calls to babestation in America sealing his fate.

The Times do not name the player, only saying he is a key member of the side, French and was signed from Juventus. They also claim some of United’s squad celebrated his departure by releasing an app.

 

[GhastlyHun]

The Times do not name the player, only saying he is a key member of the side, French and was signed from Juventus.

 

[Posh Red]

Every player is coming out and thanking Mourinho. Which means the papers were inventing nonsense abt the backroom and we just sacked the best manager in the world. The blame is solely on Woodward and the English Press. Disgusting vermin.

Just because the players hadn’t fallen out with him doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been sacked though.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

we just sacked the best manager in the world.

I mean no offense by this entirely mate, so please don't take it the wrong way but do you seriously believe Jose is the best manager in the world?

 

[gica_7]

Every player is coming out and thanking Mourinho. Which means the papers were inventing nonsense abt the backroom and we just sacked the best manager in the world. The blame is solely on Woodward and the English Press. Disgusting vermin.

I had to check my calender to see whether we are in year 2010 after reading this.

 

[M Utd]

Exactly. Everything else is just an attempt to absolve him of his cretinous methods.

I fully agree. Fergie always knew that success meant other teams would up their game against us and created an "Utd against the world mentality". I can't remember many times Fergie would name a player and be so negative about them. I may be wrong but usually any discussion that were had were done behind closed doors. It's no surprise that successful teams rarely appear in the press for the wrong reasons. Mou seemed to like the circus around him which I don't think it good for the club or the players.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Mou gone... or is he?! https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-on-its-a-wonderful-life-the-mourinho-edition

Great start to the day.

 

[Brwned]

I think Madrid fecked him up, but he stayed in football because he didn't know what else to do. He never looked like he wanted to be at Chelsea, never looked or sounded like he wanted to be here, and the sacrifices he made to be here really weren't worth it IMO.

His life seemed / seems in a bit of a spiral. I guess he was hoping he'd rediscover some magic here and things would fall back into place. It's gone totally the opposite way. I think that's quite sad.

If he doesn't take a long break I'd expect him to become a very dark person in a little while.

I think most of us would go a little bit loopy in his position - the centre of attention in a bizarre reality for a really significant period of time. You're paid like a king to tell kids how to play a game. At some point that juxtaposition against the realities of the world must leave you uncomfortable with your own reality.

 

[OneUnited24]

The Times do not name the player, only saying he is a key member of the side, French and was signed from Juventus. They also claim some of United’s squad celebrated his departure by releasing an app.

I hate how they tiptoe around naming them. I mean that could be anyone in our squad ffs. lolz

 

[haram]

I hate how they tiptoe around naming them. I mean that could be anyone in our squad ffs. lolz

Always knew Phil Jones was a rat.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Every player is coming out and thanking Mourinho. Which means the papers were inventing nonsense abt the backroom and we just sacked the best manager in the world. The blame is solely on Woodward and the English Press. Disgusting vermin.

We sure did

 

[Patrick08]

The mirror is now running the article about Jose being sacked due to a player calling Ed:

It's been nearly a week since Jose Mourinho was sacked by Manchester United.
And now more detail about the circumstances around his departure are being made up.
The Portuguese was sensationally axed just 48 hours after the Red Devils' 3-1 loss to Liverpool.

Mourinho thought he was arriving at Carrington to discuss Ed Woodward transfer plans and who Ed wanted to sign on Tuesday - but got a nasty shock.

And the Sunday Times now claim a key United player was the catalyst for his departure

They claim the player - well abused by United throughout Mourinho's tenure - lost patience after the Liverpool loss, with Mourinho blaming him from not coming off the bench to win, and phoned Woodward to tell him the Portuguese must go.

This led to a chain reaction of events with late night phone calls to babestation in America sealing his fate.

The Times do not name the player, only saying he is a key member of the side, French and was signed from Juventus. They also claim some of United’s squad celebrated his departure by releasing an app.

. They can try all they want, that one player power got him sacked. The results and the direction he was going in got him sacked.

 

[Gordon S]

Reading about Mourinhos 7 point plan to winning games and other stuff about what happened at Chelsea and Real Madrid makes me wonder why did Woodward give him the job?

Woodward seems to want us to be some sort of entertainment juggernaut, talking about "Disney on grass" and pushing out boats for big names.

And he thought it would be a good idea to have a manager in charge that couldn't care less about the entertainment in football? A narcissistic man who seems to fallout with most of the people around him given enough time?

 

[OneUnited24]

Reading about Mourinhos 7 point plan to winning games and other stuff about what happened at Chelsea and Real Madrid makes me wonder why did Woodward give him the job?

Woodward seems to want us to be some sort of entertainment juggernaut, talking about "Disney on grass" and pushing out boats for big names.

And he thought it would be a good idea to have a manager in charge that couldn't care less about the entertainment in football? A narcissistic man who seems to fallout with most of the people around him given enough time?

After it was clear City were getting Pep i think he panicked and had to go with someone with a proven record in the league. In hindsight i wish we took a step back and addressed the structure at the time (ie DoF etc...) where we picked a manager who was a head coach but hindsight is always 20/20

 

[MDFC Manager]

Every player is coming out and thanking Mourinho. Which means the papers were inventing nonsense abt the backroom and we just sacked the best manager in the world. The blame is solely on Woodward and the English Press. Disgusting vermin.

The clown is gone, but the acolytes live on in dreamland.

 

[E-mal]

Glad he is gone and the nightmare is over. Couldn't care less what he does with his life.
I have never liked his football and the most entertaining part of his time at the top for me was seeing his troubles at Madrid and Chelsea. Then I experienced it live at united, and it was horrible, no club should have to pass through this except Liverpool.

 

[Raees]

Every player is coming out and thanking Mourinho. Which means the papers were inventing nonsense abt the backroom and we just sacked the best manager in the world. The blame is solely on Woodward and the English Press. Disgusting vermin.

Papers didn’t invent shit. The players have clearly been told to keep it classy especially after the Pogba incident with the Adidas tweet.

 

[Patrick08]

After it was clear City were getting Pep i think he panicked and had to go with someone with a proven record in the league. In hindsight i wish we took a step back and addressed the structure at the time (ie DoF etc...) where we picked a manager who was a head coach but hindsight is always 20/20

Reading about Mourinhos 7 point plan to winning games and other stuff about what happened at Chelsea and Real Madrid makes me wonder why did Woodward give him the job?

Woodward seems to want us to be some sort of entertainment juggernaut, talking about "Disney on grass" and pushing out boats for big names.

And he thought it would be a good idea to have a manager in charge that couldn't care less about the entertainment in football? A narcissistic man who seems to fallout with most of the people around him given enough time?

Woodward has been out witted by many opponents left right and centre by his refusal to change the structure and with his major focus on getting the commercial side of the club churning money and his reactive lethargic way of doing things in transfer market.

Only with united I have seen transfers being rumbled on and on and on. His way of working seems very reactive.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Usually see his tweets. Mourinho has done a number on some fans.

He's an idiot and even that's me being polite, the man tried to ruin our club and people still back him. You couldn't make it up.

 

[sugar_kane]

In a weird way I think we had to go through the last 5 and a half years of dour football to get to a point where we’d only accept a manager playing attacking football.

No chance we take Ole Gunnar on summer 2014 or 2014, but now the prospect of him managing us is a million times more desirable than either Mou or Van Gaal.

I’m just happy we didn’t completely crack and give Giggseh the job.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

the man tried to ruin our club and people still back him.

That is one thing i find mad. I think some people think you should stand by the manager whatever he does to the club.

 

[Posh Red]

Woodward has been out witted by many opponents left right and centre by his refusal to change the structure and with his major focus on getting the commercial side of the club churning money and his reactive lethargic way of doing things in transfer market.

Only with united I have seen transfers being rumbled on and on and on. His way of working seems very reactive.

I’m not sure this is strictly true and maybe we just notice it more because we follow the club. Take Liverpool for example. Cocking up the VVD transfer and letting it rumble on over two windows, or losing out on Fekir because of botched negotiating tactics.

 

[Patrick08]

That is one thing i find mad. I think some people think you should stand by the manager whatever he does to the club.

I don't back him one bit, but I also feel we should not overrate the quality and capabilities of some of our players and in no way I am a Jose supporter by having this view. They had a reason for their failings, but these 6 months will reveal their actual level and there can some shocks, which I hope is not the case.

 

[Sultan]

Woodward has been out witted by many opponents left right and centre by his refusal to change the structure and with his major focus on getting the commercial side of the club churning money and his reactive lethargic way of doing things in transfer market.

Only with united I have seen transfers being rumbled on and on and on. His way of working seems very reactive.

I think due to reputations and success LvG and Mourinho enjoyed in the past, Woodward (with others in the boardroom) let them carry on with the clubs football operations on similar lines to those that worked with Sir Alex. I can understand just about understand the thought process behind such thinking.

The biggest issue for me with Woodward/Board was not sacking Jose in the summer when it was so obvious there was turbulence at the club and Mourinho was the main villain. The season was basically a write-off in pre-season.

 

[Irrational.]

How many of these apply to Jose?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Source

 

[Water Melon]

How many of these apply to Jose?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Source

 

[Robbie Boy]

Tweet

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Sounds like some of the mentalists from on here.

 

[Sultan]

I've always had a feeling Mourinho was trying to run away from the club. He was fearful his reputation was eroding when it became obvious he could not compete on the pitch with City and Liverpool. Hence his constant blame game about lack of transfers and quality of players. The sad part is a lot of fans and football fraternity believed his PR bull.

Jose Mourinho should retire from football and take up politics. Brilliant manipulator.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

I don't back him one bit, but I also feel we should not overrate the quality and capabilities of some of our players and in no way I am a Jose supporter by having this view. They had a reason for their failings, but these 6 months will reveal their actual level and there can some shocks, which I hope is not the case.

I think that is a fair point.

Now they have the oppurtunitty to show how good they are and they can't say we are playing crap (which I don't think they will) because of Jose.

PTime to show they are real men. They need to show how good, they are, how much they love this club and more importantly show that they deserve to wear the jersey.

I sincerely hope they do.

When they do show their level it will be a good indication for next season and beyond mate.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

The sad part is a lot of fans and football fraternity believed his PR bull.

So true.

 

[NoLogo]

Still makes me so happy he is gone. I actually look forward to our games again. Can't wait for today's game.

 

[BrianMcClair'sBarnet]

So happy he's gone.Thank you father Ed Christmas.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

How many of these apply to Jose?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

Source

Great post.

Is this trick question mate?

I was only joking. All of them. I know quite a few narcissists and am quite good at spotting them and believed he had narcissism for a while which I have been mentioning quite regularly in my posts lately.

 

[Sultan]

Reek Shaw

Fellaini at Sunderland, and Castles waiting at Carrington is a masterstroke.