Marco Silva | No longer Everton manager

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Coleman, Keane, Mina and Pickford (4/5th of their back line) are all capable of a hilarious blunder as seen today. Its hard to squeak wins like that.
 

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Doing poor. What i would worry about is Evertons lack of tactics or play. They dont look like they are drilled. Perhaps they are but for some reason its not translating to the football pitch.
You can see the players aren't short of technical skill. But bits of beautiful close control are followed by aimless hoofing. It's like they're still using Big Sam's tactics in attack, without any of the defensive solidity.
 

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Blimey just seen Everton's fixture list for rest of season.

Only 8 home games left and they still have to play both Manchester clubs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool!

Got enough points in the bag to worry about relegation fight but they'll probably struggle to get more points than last season which would be amusing with all the money spent.

Anyone know why Mina is being benched again? Zouma-Keane is mediocre CB partnership. Going further forward Andre Gomes seems to have reverted back to his inconsistant self and Walcott is Walcott.
 

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Coleman, Keane, Mina and Pickford (4/5th of their back line) are all capable of a hilarious blunder as seen today. Its hard to squeak wins like that.
Mina has been good from the games I've seen, don't understand why he's been benched again unless his fitness is still an issue.
 

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Mina has been good from the games I've seen, don't understand why he's been benched again unless his fitness is still an issue.
He looks good aerially but 1 on 1 he’s pretty shakey.

On Everton though, their director makes Woodward look like Monchi. Imagine if Watford had 100m to spend every window.
 

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He looks good aerially but 1 on 1 he’s pretty shakey.
Still their best CB by a mile. He started 0-0 away to Chelsea and the 1-0 loss at Liverpool which was their two best defensive performances of the season.

Overall in games he's featured in Everton have conceded 9 goals in 8 games which isn't too bad.

He needs to start as Keane has never looked convincing since leaving the low block Burnley defensive system and Zouma isn't the same since his bad injury at Chelsea.
 

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Pickford has let the World Cup saves go to his head. He is very arrogant, and always yells at his defenders even if he is at fault. Not even that good to be honest. He has had quite a few blunders and isn't that great a shot stopper (and a terrible distributer).

Yelled at their young defender today after the goal, a bit harsh and not really being a great teammate. I would honestly look to sell if I were Everton.
 

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Can’t say I am surprised never liked him. Everton deserves better.
 

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They have spent a stunning amount of money. He's going to be lucky to keep his job by the end of the season.
 

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They have spent a stunning amount of money. He's going to be lucky to keep his job by the end of the season.
He didn't spend all that much last year, and the buys he made have been among their better players (Richarlison, Digne, Mina). Bernard on a free and loan deals for Zouma and Gomes aren't bad business even if they haven't hit the ground running.

Obviously Silva has a lot to prove, but the squad he inherited wasn't particularly good and I think he needs another summer to put more touches on the squad.
 

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He looks good aerially but 1 on 1 he’s pretty shakey.

On Everton though, their director makes Woodward look like Monchi. Imagine if Watford had 100m to spend every window.
The new guy Brands? I thought he was supposed to be quite highly regarded.
 

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He looks good aerially but 1 on 1 he’s pretty shakey.

On Everton though, their director makes Woodward look like Monchi. Imagine if Watford had 100m to spend every window.
Steve Walsh was sacked, and he probably is more responsible for their current mess. Marcel Brands needs time to bed in.
 

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It’s strange because in patches they play some undoubtedly good football and I’ve seen improvement in players like Andre Gomes and Walcott... guys like Richarlison are continuing to grow but results just haven’t gone the way they should have.

I’d give him another season, reinforce the defence and assess in January 2020. Teams like Everton they have no real ambition anyway so they might as well continue to gamble on a manager who at least gets them playing some decent stuff now and again. He has the potential to get better but there is also an air of arrogance to him which isn’t backed up by the results on the pitch.
 

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He is a good manager IMHO but I think his everton side need one level headed creative player to partner Gomes and Gana in midfield.
 

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He is a good manager IMHO but I think his everton side need one level headed creative player to partner Gomes and Gana in midfield.
That's Glyfi surely? Guy was on fire earlier this season, that goal at Leicester.

Everton's problem for a long while has been mentality. They're probably the new Spurs tbh. Not great for them how well Liverpool are doing. Think losing that late goal at Anfield has also messed them up a bit.
 

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He is a good manager IMHO but I think his everton side need one level headed creative player to partner Gomes and Gana in midfield.
While I agree that SIlva is a good manager, as stated before by the potugueezers here, you could hire at least five portuguese managers that would do a better job than him.

His EPL reputation is something that's still baffling for me. His football is nowhere near the attacking modern approach the press likes to say it is: in fact, he still uses old fashion tactics like man-marking all over the pitch.
 

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The Portuguese manager stock is really low right now. Silva, Mourinho, AVB all coaching dire football when they arent getting sacked and Jardim only getting hired in China. Are there any good current managers from Portugal who insist on good attacking football? @André Dominguez
AVB is semi retired, don't think he was defensive at all, if anything when his assistant at Porto Vitor Pereira stopped working with him his teams defensive problems got worse. At least imo.

Don't know if Jardim is going for China, if it is it will be based on financial reasons, no one can blame him, I heard from someone he doesn't want to work many more years, maybe didn't received a good offer to stay in Europe? Anyway the situation at Monaco looks worse than being managed by Henry or Jardim, at least looking from the outside.

Regarding the overall situation, don't think there are many, but you have to keep in mind when they start here their job situation isn't much stable to choose the clubs where they can work, stay for more than 1 or 2 seasons at a club and to implement a more attractive oriented type of football, at least imo, they always go for the safe option, results first.

Nevertheless I would say my favourite one is Paulo Fonseca from Shakthar Donetsk (style of play)
https://theback3.wordpress.com/2017...le-and-maybe-europes-next-coaching-commodity/ this season his squad lost some individual quality and it looks they don't play or train on Donetsk for quite a long time.

After I would say Jardim (working younger players), the third one for me its difficult to chose, I would say Conceição from Porto (more based on his ability to take results from a not very high individual quality Porto squad compared with former squads they had), based on concept of football Luis Castro from Vitoria Guimarães (again never had much time to work in the same club but is someone with ideas and knowledge) or Vitor Pereira (former AVB assistant at Porto who won recently the Chinese League).

I don't mention NES from Wolves because I don't like his concept of football, even if he is doing a decent job with them, then I have to see more from younger guys like Abel (Braga), Silas (Belenenses) or a young guy named Luis Freire who works in the second tier (Estoril).

Overall I would say and I think @André Dominguez agrees with me, we are on a mixed crossroad here, where guys like Silva or NES are working in England, and credit to Nuno for delivering results, but I struggle to see them as the best we have, or at least the ones who play the type of football I like.

On the other hand the only guys who maybe will work on a top 5 League in the future are Fonseca or Conceição, don't know if Jardim will but I think he needs to see what kind of project he will embrace. If it is China we all know what is the reason.

Unfortunately for Castro don't know if he will get a chance to work with Benfica because normally clubs here hire people more based on what they won or the agent they have then the type of football they like to implement.

Sorry for the long answer here, but it was a interesting question you made to him, I have some curiosity for the future, but sometimes the guys who get first their chance to work in stronger Leagues do it because they have better agents than others, not because they are more competent and better.

Not surprised at all Silva is struggling, when he worked at Sporting the coordination of the defensive line compared to Jardim who worked there the season before or Jorge Jesus the seasons after him were much worse.
 

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The Portuguese manager stock is really low right now. Silva, Mourinho, AVB all coaching dire football when they arent getting sacked and Jardim only getting hired in China. Are there any good current managers from Portugal who insist on good attacking football? @André Dominguez
Espirito Santo seems to be doing a good job. But as far as Silva, based on the little I've read/seen, he seems to have a bit of the Mourinho arrogance to him, without the CV to back it up. I could be totally wrong about that, though.
 

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That's Glyfi surely? Guy was on fire earlier this season, that goal at Leicester.

Everton's problem for a long while has been mentality. They're probably the new Spurs tbh. Not great for them how well Liverpool are doing. Think losing that late goal at Anfield has also messed them up a bit.
Signing someone like Walcott wasn't a wise move in my opinion. How has Gomes played for them? My impression was that he'd started well, but haven't heard much recently.
 

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Have they beaten a top 6 team this season yet?
They've beaten Brighton, Crystal Palace, Fulham, Burnley, Southampton, Cardiff and Leicester (who get a man sent off at 1-1). Basically they've beaten exclusively relegation teams except for Brighton and 10 man Leicester. In other words, they've gotten wins you'd expect under basically any manager, with literally zero surprises.

By far their best result of the year is a 0-0 at Chelsea, who have gone on to drop points to Southampton, Wolves, and Leicester in the last few weeks.

They're peak midtable.
 

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They've beaten Brighton, Crystal Palace, Fulham, Burnley, Southampton, Cardiff and Leicester (who get a man sent off at 1-1). Basically they've beaten exclusively relegation teams except for Brighton and 10 man Leicester. In other words, they've gotten wins you'd expect under basically any manager, with literally zero surprises.

By far their best result of the year is a 0-0 at Chelsea, who have gone on to drop points to Southampton, Wolves, and Leicester in the last few weeks.

They're peak midtable.
Yet they played you lot off the park for large periods of the game at Anfield and could’ve easily won it on another day.
 

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Signing someone like Walcott wasn't a wise move in my opinion. How has Gomes played for them? My impression was that he'd started well, but haven't heard much recently.
Never rated Walcott either much. He's just done what he was doing at Arsenal, 2-3 good games and suddenly people saying England should recall him and then you don't see him for two months.

Gomes also very inconsistant.
 

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Legit forgot about Walcott :lol:

Where does he play now? On the right still?
 

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The Portuguese manager stock is really low right now. Silva, Mourinho, AVB all coaching dire football when they arent getting sacked and Jardim only getting hired in China. Are there any good current managers from Portugal who insist on good attacking football? @André Dominguez
@SCP had made a very good explanation about this, and his opinion about Silva is similar to mine. He just went to the EPL market out of the blue, suddenly there were articles of his work at Estoril, which was quite good, but not solid btw.

In comparison, Paulo Fonseca work at Paços de Ferreira was far better because he not only made a terrific job, but also played great football and left the club with a decent squad. Paços Ferreira managed to avoid relegation for several seasons due to his squad building.

Other things that the press was in "awe" was his "record" at Olympiakos. Vítor Pereira made a similar job at Olympiakos and playing a much more controlling football. And I rate Vítor Pereira much higher and I do think he has enough techincal quality to be a EPL manager, but his personality might complicate at times.

About AVB: his football was very possession orientated, but the quality of Porto's squad at the time was insane: Fucile, Álvaro Pereira, Ótamendi, Guarin, Bellushi, Moutinho, Cebola Rodriguez, James Rodriguez, Fernando, Falcao, Hulk,... This was probably one of the best squads ever at portuguese league.

But IMHO, either Vítor Pereira and Jorge Jesus have by far better pedigree than NES or Marco Silva which makes me also think that the EPL market is also very keen to sign agent recommended managers.
 

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AVB is semi retired, don't think he was defensive at all, if anything when his assistant at Porto Vitor Pereira stopped working with him his teams defensive problems got worse. At least imo.

Don't know if Jardim is going for China, if it is it will be based on financial reasons, no one can blame him, I heard from someone he doesn't want to work many more years, maybe didn't received a good offer to stay in Europe? Anyway the situation at Monaco looks worse than being managed by Henry or Jardim, at least looking from the outside.

Regarding the overall situation, don't think there are many, but you have to keep in mind when they start here their job situation isn't much stable to choose the clubs where they can work, stay for more than 1 or 2 seasons at a club and to implement a more attractive oriented type of football, at least imo, they always go for the safe option, results first.

Nevertheless I would say my favourite one is Paulo Fonseca from Shakthar Donetsk (style of play)
https://theback3.wordpress.com/2017...le-and-maybe-europes-next-coaching-commodity/ this season his squad lost some individual quality and it looks they don't play or train on Donetsk for quite a long time.

After I would say Jardim (working younger players), the third one for me its difficult to chose, I would say Conceição from Porto (more based on his ability to take results from a not very high individual quality Porto squad compared with former squads they had), based on concept of football Luis Castro from Vitoria Guimarães (again never had much time to work in the same club but is someone with ideas and knowledge) or Vitor Pereira (former AVB assistant at Porto who won recently the Chinese League).

I don't mention NES from Wolves because I don't like his concept of football, even if he is doing a decent job with them, then I have to see more from younger guys like Abel (Braga), Silas (Belenenses) or a young guy named Luis Freire who works in the second tier (Estoril).

Overall I would say and I think @André Dominguez agrees with me, we are on a mixed crossroad here, where guys like Silva or NES are working in England, and credit to Nuno for delivering results, but I struggle to see them as the best we have, or at least the ones who play the type of football I like.

On the other hand the only guys who maybe will work on a top 5 League in the future are Fonseca or Conceição, don't know if Jardim will but I think he needs to see what kind of project he will embrace. If it is China we all know what is the reason.

Unfortunately for Castro don't know if he will get a chance to work with Benfica because normally clubs here hire people more based on what they won or the agent they have then the type of football they like to implement.

Sorry for the long answer here, but it was a interesting question you made to him, I have some curiosity for the future, but sometimes the guys who get first their chance to work in stronger Leagues do it because they have better agents than others, not because they are more competent and better.

Not surprised at all Silva is struggling, when he worked at Sporting the coordination of the defensive line compared to Jardim who worked there the season before or Jorge Jesus the seasons after him were much worse.
We also both agree on this: for those team with little resources Nuno Manta Santos is an excellent choice: the football will be defensive and quick vertical counters, but his job at Feirense is very impressive. Bare in mind that Feirense squad is really average to mediocre, and the budget is really low.

Another manager to keep an eye on is Ivo Vieira: he's doing an excelent career ascenscion, but his football is also based on quick transitions, but defensively his teams are very solid.

Also on the second tier, I notice the good works of Filipe Martins and Rui Duarte. They still only managed really low budget teams, even for second tier standard, but their teams are playing very attractive football and getting very decent results.
 

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AVB is semi retired, don't think he was defensive at all, if anything when his assistant at Porto Vitor Pereira stopped working with him his teams defensive problems got worse. At least imo.

Don't know if Jardim is going for China, if it is it will be based on financial reasons, no one can blame him, I heard from someone he doesn't want to work many more years, maybe didn't received a good offer to stay in Europe? Anyway the situation at Monaco looks worse than being managed by Henry or Jardim, at least looking from the outside.

Regarding the overall situation, don't think there are many, but you have to keep in mind when they start here their job situation isn't much stable to choose the clubs where they can work, stay for more than 1 or 2 seasons at a club and to implement a more attractive oriented type of football, at least imo, they always go for the safe option, results first.

Nevertheless I would say my favourite one is Paulo Fonseca from Shakthar Donetsk (style of play)
https://theback3.wordpress.com/2017...le-and-maybe-europes-next-coaching-commodity/ this season his squad lost some individual quality and it looks they don't play or train on Donetsk for quite a long time.

After I would say Jardim (working younger players), the third one for me its difficult to chose, I would say Conceição from Porto (more based on his ability to take results from a not very high individual quality Porto squad compared with former squads they had), based on concept of football Luis Castro from Vitoria Guimarães (again never had much time to work in the same club but is someone with ideas and knowledge) or Vitor Pereira (former AVB assistant at Porto who won recently the Chinese League).

I don't mention NES from Wolves because I don't like his concept of football, even if he is doing a decent job with them, then I have to see more from younger guys like Abel (Braga), Silas (Belenenses) or a young guy named Luis Freire who works in the second tier (Estoril).

Overall I would say and I think @André Dominguez agrees with me, we are on a mixed crossroad here, where guys like Silva or NES are working in England, and credit to Nuno for delivering results, but I struggle to see them as the best we have, or at least the ones who play the type of football I like.

On the other hand the only guys who maybe will work on a top 5 League in the future are Fonseca or Conceição, don't know if Jardim will but I think he needs to see what kind of project he will embrace. If it is China we all know what is the reason.

Unfortunately for Castro don't know if he will get a chance to work with Benfica because normally clubs here hire people more based on what they won or the agent they have then the type of football they like to implement.

Sorry for the long answer here, but it was a interesting question you made to him, I have some curiosity for the future, but sometimes the guys who get first their chance to work in stronger Leagues do it because they have better agents than others, not because they are more competent and better.

Not surprised at all Silva is struggling, when he worked at Sporting the coordination of the defensive line compared to Jardim who worked there the season before or Jorge Jesus the seasons after him were much worse.
What you got against Nuno Santos?
 

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What you got against Nuno Santos?
I don’t necessarily have I think he can do a good job in England but it will be based on the level of investment they make, his teams are more suited to a football of transitions and counterattacks.
 

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That and for the money spent their best player this season is on loan from Barcelona where he most certainly will return and be sold to a much bigger club than Everton
 

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That and for the money spent their best player this season is on loan from Barcelona where he most certainly will return and be sold to a much bigger club than Everton
Wasnt it rumored to be already agreed sum to make the loan permanent? But seriously this Silva guy is rubbish.