We are Manchester United, not Huddersfield. Here we may expect a player being good in different parts of the game simultaneously...
Aaron Wan Bissaka
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I think he's an excellent defender and would love it if we could sign him.
You have usually a stronger part though
Been linked with City now as Guardiola looks like he will spend another ton on full backs.
Interested to see how he would be at CB, he is very good defensively, lacks a little bit in delivery you would want from a top class FB, but it's only his first full season so can improve on that
Yeah or cdm
Rather we signed Doherty. Or both - we need two fbs.
Excellent defensive awareness for one so young.
And who has only been playing the position for a year.
Think I read somewhere that he has really good dribbling stats, most amount of successful take ons of all the fullbacks in the league I think it was. Might be just the final ball needs a bit of work. Very young though
I haven't seen much of AWB but from what I understand from the comments here, he is extremely good defensively but not good attacking wise. If that is true, we need to buy a RW along with this guy
Ironically that’s exactly what he is...he went right through our academy system as a winger and was only converted to a right back a couple of years ago. As soon as he did we were already hearing stories of Zaha not having any joy against him in training and now I can see why.
Going forwards he’s getting better every week actually and noticeably more confident which is great to see. His interchange with the winger (normally Townsend) is getting neater and he is pulling off more dribbles and tricks than he did when he first came through. The one thing he probably lacks is a Trippier like cross but we play quite narrow and have not had a centre forward all season, so he’s not getting many chances to cross the ball anyway. And funnily enough many Spurs fans want to flog Trippier and replace him with Aaron.
I understand the talk of Utd needing a complete full-back, but I’d like to know who they are as there are very few in the world that are world class going both ways right now. And if they do exist, would they come to Utd and what would you have to pay? City spent £100m on two full-backs who get shown up against decent sides and there isn’t a full-back in the world I’d rather have someone running at than AWB. For a club wanting to go deep in the CL that is a very important starting point for winning things.
All said, given another season this lad will be an absolute monster...the perfect modern full-back really. A much higher ceiling than Azpi who I saw him compared to, just for the fact he’s so much more athletic. Wherever he goes he will end up doing exceptionally well.
100% this.
The kid is class, it was obvious from day 1. Who was their debut against United and proceeds to mark out 1 of the most dangerous players with relative ease?
I hope for his sake he stays maybe 1 more year for development, but I've got a feeling a lot of clubs will be bidding this summer.
I think we'll see Shaw, Young, Dalot and Tuanzebe at full back next season
It's really irritating that the seasons we begin to get money are the seasons we start to trail the top sides in the division and the bottom sides catch up with us. A couple of seasons ago a player you'd probably think a player like him could use a Everton or the like as a stepping stone to get to one of the title challengers, but now there isn't any reason for him to leave Palace unless a big big club comes in for him, a shame as he looks fantastic and someone i'd love to take up the Coleman mantle who has been destroyed by that leg break.
It's nice to hear that he has a good interchange with the wingers too, our most successful partnership was built on Baines/Pienaar who were a perfect match and the relationship between a full-back and his winger cannot be overstated enough.
It's nice to hear that he has a good interchange with the wingers too, our most successful partnership was built on Baines/Pienaar who were a perfect match and the relationship between a full-back and his winger cannot be overstated enough.
Would love him here.
We aren't going to challenge with that.
Would be atrocious. I would rather keep Darmian for cover at this point. We are in need of a left footed leftback and someone in their prime at RB.
Irritating from your perspective I can definitely understand, but I think it’s great that the club (whoever it is) that develops the player benefits from the big transfer fee directly, rather than an Everton stepping in and doubling their money in a couple of years. It’s a real incentive for clubs like us to keep developing players and it’s a real incentive for kids all over South London (in our case) that if they sign academy terms with Crystal Palace, that there is a pathway to the first team and then directly on to the top six if they do well. The more young players and parents buy in to that, the less clubs like Chelsea will be able to stockpile the best youngsters from across London and waste their talents, and the better it’ll be for the national team in return.
I think of all the clubs linked so far Utd would be the right move for him if he was to leave in the summer, but I hope he doesn’t go. Though tbh if we have to sell someone I’d rather it be AWB than Wilf just because good forward players are so hard to come by at our level. Seems we are pretty short of cash so stranger things have happened I guess.
Would love him here.
I completely agree mate. It's great that clubs throughout the league seem to now be giving more youth players a chance and the model that clubs like you and Bournemouth in these ways is something admirable but not wasteful as seen with people like Bissaka and Brooks. I think unfortunately in the near future it would probably be Zaha most likely to leave purely due to his age.
Nah I think we will get a full back, probably right back
Seen him linked with us today or yesterday. Been great for Crystal Palace, but appears to me to be one of those talents more suited for a smaller club and who would struggle at a bigger club with different expectations.
I’m aware that he was a forward and a winger when he was younger, but he seems quite limited on the ball going forward. He can pull of a few tricks and is not a bad dribbler, but his passing and decision making when passing is sub-par.
I like the old story of when a new player (think it was Rio?) was having his first training session with us and got told off by Keane for passing sideways in a training drill, stating that «you don’t pass like that at Man Utd».
Aaron Wan-Bissaka creates very little and offers next to nothing going forward. His completion rate is very low and it is not due to him trying difficult, high-risk/high-reward passes. In fact, his completion rate for short passes is 80 %. That is below the Palace average of 82 %, and you would probably expect a full back to be at a significantly higher level than his team mates (more time and space). Furthermore, you would expect at player at Palace with Man Utd-potential to be a level above his team mates.
I would be very careful spending a big amount on him!
I’m aware that he was a forward and a winger when he was younger, but he seems quite limited on the ball going forward. He can pull of a few tricks and is not a bad dribbler, but his passing and decision making when passing is sub-par.
I like the old story of when a new player (think it was Rio?) was having his first training session with us and got told off by Keane for passing sideways in a training drill, stating that «you don’t pass like that at Man Utd».
Aaron Wan-Bissaka creates very little and offers next to nothing going forward. His completion rate is very low and it is not due to him trying difficult, high-risk/high-reward passes. In fact, his completion rate for short passes is 80 %. That is below the Palace average of 82 %, and you would probably expect a full back to be at a significantly higher level than his team mates (more time and space). Furthermore, you would expect at player at Palace with Man Utd-potential to be a level above his team mates.
I would be very careful spending a big amount on him!
I've been very impressed with him in his breakout season in the Premier League.
We have Dalot who can play RB, RW and LB, so adding the likes of AWB wouldn't do him any harm IMO.
He'd be a good signing, although perhaps we'll be looking at someone a bit more established for the position.
We have Dalot who can play RB, RW and LB, so adding the likes of AWB wouldn't do him any harm IMO.
He'd be a good signing, although perhaps we'll be looking at someone a bit more established for the position.
Both good posts. Thanks for the contribution.
For what it's worth I'm a fan. He's very good defensively and whilst he needs some work going forward I think that is much easier to develop than a sound defensive mind.
I have no doubt he'd develop the same way Robertson has at Liverpool and would like to see him make the move to United in the summer.
He's hopeless going forward, for all the shit Shaw gets he looks like Alves or Marcelo in comparison. £50M for a purely defensive RB is a gross waste of funds when we have a very good attacking RB who is a bit younger and has only been here a season, we should be coaching him up and not buying in a player of a similar age who offers nothing in the final 3rd, something that is important for modern fullback's, just look at the two for Juve last night and all the danger they created with their attacking and crossing threat.
I agree, he isn't what we need right now especially as we have Dalot at a similar age.
Whilst shaw's attacks have gone better in the last few games - he is still a much more defensive fullback than a purely attacking one.
For that reason - I want to see Shaw & Wan Bissaka as WB's in a 352 - let them use their positioning high up the pitch to help in attacks whilst being absolute tanks defensively which should stop players like Martial Lukaku, Rashford having to fall back to cover when losing the ball. They can focus on being strikers and overwhelming a defence than being defenders themselves - both by attacks and high pressure on defense.
I want Wan Bissaka here - have dalot as competition for both Shaw & Wan Bissaka as well as being a traditional RW only when we need to use one - for example when Lukaku is starting.
For that reason - I want to see Shaw & Wan Bissaka as WB's in a 352 - let them use their positioning high up the pitch to help in attacks whilst being absolute tanks defensively which should stop players like Martial Lukaku, Rashford having to fall back to cover when losing the ball. They can focus on being strikers and overwhelming a defence than being defenders themselves - both by attacks and high pressure on defense.
I want Wan Bissaka here - have dalot as competition for both Shaw & Wan Bissaka as well as being a traditional RW only when we need to use one - for example when Lukaku is starting.
We will probably buy him and sit him next to Dalot on the bench as they watch over Young operate at right back at 34.
Think if we do get Wan Bissaka, we will push Dalot forward into a right wing role. They’re both too talented to be on the bench.
I feel he'll be our first signing of the next season.
Really? How much of Crystal Palace have you seen to conclude he's hopeless going forward?
I watch a lot of their games, he's not good going forward.
So you want 2 defensive wingbacks? That’s a contradiction of what a wingback is!
That's why I'd play them further higher up the pitch so that attacking wise they have to do less running but also that defensively - they push the attackers inwards towards a back 3.
Have defensive wingback that play around attacking ball playing CB's.
When the attackers get pushed in towards the back 3 - the most central defender will be a shadow CDM that initiates a tackle and spreads the ball to a ball playing defender on the right or left of him to start a counter attack.
The wingback will have the wider deeper areas covered - leaving the likes of Rashford, Martial, Lukaku and Greenwood purely playing on the left or right channel waiting for that counter attacking ball to come their way.
Just as much the shadow CDM playing as a CB in the defensive line helps the back 2 have a destroyer playing in front of them (making a back 3) - the front 2 will also have a false 9 that interlink the front 2 together (the reason Lingard is important to Ole).
What this allows is a defensive line of a back 5 when we don't have the ball and an attacking line of a front 5 when we do.
Ole has been playing around with 2 strikers and 3 defenders during matches, playing with false nines in attack and guarders in defence (though we saw this with Jose more when matic & mctomminay played as CB); so I wouldn't be all surprised if he did something like this.
When they are on TV or MOTD, also check out his hype package videos, they are filled with nothing but racing back for sliding tackles and one on one defending, which are his biggest assets. Just watch him any weekend, he can drive the ball forward because he's fast, but once in the final 3rd his delivery is poor, as his decision making and he has no invention, if you were playing a lopsided formation he'd be the Azpilecueta FB, the one who mostly patrols and defends, it's just daft to pay £50M for a defensive RB when we have a player in the same position who can offer us something at both ends of the pitch with time and coaching.
No wonder you are named after LvG dude.
At the end of the day we don't have the ball playing CB's to make this work and even then a formation with wingbacks who both offer very little in attack is far from ideal, much too convoluted, just develop Dalot as a RB and use a back 4.I don't think it makes a lot of sense to go for AWB given that we already have Dalot. Ethan Laird is also looking good currently and we won't do him any favours to have 2 other RBs who are not that much older than him blocking his step up. Thomas Meunier, on the other hand, is currently being frozen out at PSG and he looks like a good experienced option for us.
Meunier is shockingly overrated