That's what I was going to say. When the club was down our legends didn't mind putting the boot in. They didn't really be diplomatic.Why are the ‘CO92’ afforded this protected status but the likes of Keane, for example, considered fair game for criticism?
Pretty much this. The number of fans here who whine on here about how other clubs sign big players while we don't blah blah blah is just embarrassing. Apparently there's no "United way" either and there's nothing special about this club, we are same as every big club. Our legends are knobs because they don't have the same opinions as the CAF experts and players like McTominay who can't do fancy stuff with the ball are useless.
What I don't understand is in a world where there are already so many "big clubs" who do things the right way according to our esteemed "fans", why would you torture yourself by supporting Utd who apparently do everything wrong?
You'll need a bit of consistency for that point to hit home. Where was the sympathy for Jose losing his dream job when Scholes was taking every opportunity to put him down? I've lost a little respect for Scholes after he behaved in the manner that he did. Fair enough he didn't think Jose was good enough, and fair enough his job was to analyse the jobs players and managers were doing, but it was a concerted effort to criticize the manager whenever possible, and I think that did far more damage to the club than many realise.
That's what I was going to say. When the club was down our legends didn't mind putting the boot in. They didn't really be diplomatic.
You'll need a bit of consistency for that point to hit home. Where was the sympathy for Jose losing his dream job when Scholes was taking every opportunity to put him down? I've lost a little respect for Scholes after he behaved in the manner that he did. Fair enough he didn't think Jose was good enough, and fair enough his job was to analyse the jobs players and managers were doing, but it was a concerted effort to criticize the manager whenever possible, and I think that did far more damage to the club than many realise.
Why are the ‘CO92’ afforded this protected status but the likes of Keane, for example, considered fair game for criticism?
And yet Giggs has always been widely lambasted for that. Nobody in their right mind would stick up for him. At best, what many do, is separate the man from the player and isolate the issue.If you expect that to not rub some people the wrong way, you'd as well forget Giggs and his affair because he is from the class of 92.
Gary Neville seems like a right twat, Giggs is proper piece of shite. Both great players. The rest of them I don't mind too much.So when did this become a thing and why are so many United fans doing this? Neville really does annoy me, especially with how he has defended every manager but I would never disrespect him or celebrate his failure at Valencia.
Similarly, Scholes' sin here is that he criticized Mourinho and LVG as a pundit. I'm reading some comments on the Scholes' resignation thread and am quite shocked at how far this has gone.
There is this complete absurd amount of disrespected the class of 92 gets on here. If I go by some posts, replacing Scholes with Gerrard wouldn't change much with the theme of mocking and ridiculing our legends.
It's a real shame a backbone of what makes United the club it is today gets treated like this.
P.S: I think with Giggs it's a different issue so I understand that although I chose to remember the player not the man.
And yet Giggs has always been widely lambasted for that. Nobody in their right mind would stick up for him. At best, what many do, is separate the man from the player and isolate the issue.
The problem here is some people seem genuinely thrilled he has failed, or that Gaz failed at Valencia
Are you seriously arguing Jose didn't get the same sympathy Scholes did? I don't know how to answer this. Both are not the same to start with? That's my whole point. Treating Scholes like any other player/manager.
And how exactly did Scholes damage the club? His criticism helped getting Jose sacked. A massive win for this club.
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
The sense of entitlement from the future fans of United is going to far exceed that of the scousers. We are going to be even more insufferable.
That's what comes with the millennial/google age. It's unavoidable.
I dont really see it as a shield. I think loyalty cannot be taught, so there's nothing to argue, the least we expect is that people keep their hateful comments to themselves when it comes to club legends.Maybe they should separate the pundit from the player as well and isolate their quotes without the class of 92 shield.
It's this period of austerity in terms of success that we're going through that brings the worst in some. People tend to forget that winning trophies is not all what Man Utd are about. Sir Alex always said that Utd are a family, our legends are part of that family, but some "fans" don't give two hoots about that. As long as we're winning, everything is great and Ole's at the wheel and all that, the moment things start going south, there will be thread upon thread going on about how we should have got a big name manager and players like Lukaku, Smalling, Jones etc are useless and we'll never be a top club again and so on. It appears for people on here, vindication is more important, rather than respecting the club and everyone associated with it.There's really two sets of fans nowadays. Ones who have the mindset you (and myself) have about the United way and what is it about and then there's the other set of fans that want us to be any "big club".
It's really getting frustrating separating the two and trying to find who still has the United way in their hearts vs these new age let's sign some big names fans.
I dont really see it as a shield. I think loyalty cannot be taught, so there's nothing to argue, the least we expect is that people keep their hateful comments to themselves when it comes to club legends.
Agreed. It started as a cheap marketing slogan and everyone's run with it.The brand didn't help.
But the cuntishness in the Scholes manager thread is beyond belief.
Not United fans in my opinion
“The guy that lost his job,” is only relative when he was an extremely talented footballer, huh? You don’t know how to answer it because you can’t without hypocrisy.Are you seriously arguing Jose didn't get the same sympathy Scholes did? I don't know how to answer this. Both are not the same to start with? That's my whole point. Treating Scholes like any other player/manager.
And how exactly did Scholes damage the club? His criticism helped getting Jose sacked. A massive win for this club.
I dont mean as a top red, or who is the bigger fan. If you dont feel certain way towards these legends then i cannot force you to change, perhaps you werent there to witness their glory days or you had a different experience, for whatever reason it doesn't matter. I just think it's futile to argue. As for comments I find laughing at his demise to be disrespectful, and some of the criticism levelled at him and other legends have been borderline hateful.Well, you need to define what you mean by hateful? Calling out their comments during punditry after getting fired is hateful?
Lets not get into my loyalty is more than you kind of arguments.
What shield? I couldn't care less what the average pundit says and that includes the CO92, they are entitled to their opinion, which I may or may not agree with. That's about it, end of, I don't see why people have the urge to take punditry so personal.Maybe they should separate the pundit from the player as well and isolate their quotes without the class of 92 shield.
I'd much rather see a Guardiola or Zidane-like figure PLAY at our club. The best manager ever never played for us, do you care? I don't.I don't think so. Nothing better than having a Guardiola or Zidane like figure step out from our club.
That's the entire point of the thread, many are being disrespectful (not disagreeing, disrespectful and unappreciative little shits) displaying exactly that sort of attitude be it because they are Mourinho fans, Pogba fans, or whatever their flavour of the month is. Bunch of feckin' 5-year-olds banging on and on about complete nonsense.But just because their punditry is pointed out after failing, doesn't mean people wanted them to fail from the offset.
'If he's not good enough to play a simple ball then he shouldn't be at this club': Paul Scholes blasts Manchester United midfielder Ander Herrera and questions Spaniard's 'quality' after misplaced pass to Paul Pogba
- Paul Scholes thinks Ander Herrera isn't good enough for Manchester United
- Scholes questioned his quality after a misplaced pass in the Southampton draw
- Herrera failed to complete a 30-yard pass to team-mate Paul Pogba at St Mary's
'You need to win with class': Paul Scholes criticises Jose Mourinho's reaction that triggered confrontation with Leonardo Bonucci after Manchester United's win over Juventus
How were they putting a boot in? They care for this club. They were protecting it by wanting LVG and Jose gone.
So when did this become a thing and why are so many United fans doing this? Neville really does annoy me, especially with how he has defended every manager but I would never disrespect him or celebrate his failure at Valencia.
Similarly, Scholes' sin here is that he criticized Mourinho and LVG as a pundit. I'm reading some comments on the Scholes' resignation thread and am quite shocked at how far this has gone.
There is this complete absurd amount of disrespected the class of 92 gets on here. If I go by some posts, replacing Scholes with Gerrard wouldn't change much with the theme of mocking and ridiculing our legends.
It's a real shame a backbone of what makes United the club it is today gets treated like this.
P.S: I think with Giggs it's a different issue so I understand that although I chose to remember the player not the man.
Criticism isnt the issue here, of course they arent above criticism. This is about blatant resentment towards them.The so-called class of 92 is not above criticism in public sphere. Don't deify them.
At the very least, don't expect or exhort others to treat them the way you do.
I dont mean as a top red, or who is the bigger fan. If you dont feel certain way towards these legends then i cannot force you to change, perhaps you werent there to witness their glory days or you had a different experience, for whatever reason it doesn't matter. I just think it's futile to argue. As for comments I find laughing at his demise to be disrespectful, and some of the criticism levelled at him and other legends have been borderline hateful.
Brilliant, made me laugh that did, I suppose that’s why he’s such a success with the ladies.Phil - an infuriating whiny style, I can't be dealing with him as anything since.
What shield? I couldn't care less what the average pundit says and that includes the CO92, they are entitled to their opinion, which I may or may not agree with. That's about it, end of, I don't see why people have the urge to take punditry so personal.
Actually ex Liverpool players do that, it’s just it doesn’t wind up united fans. Instead they get applauded for their honesty.It kinda felt like that. Because the guy in charge wasn't thier mate, they'd be ott in critiquing everything and everyone. The criticism wasn't always measured.
Liverpool ex players don't usually do that.
Quite on contrary, I have always had the impression that those who criticise Scholes, Neville et al. (other British non-United players apply too, look Owen, Carragher) are the Brits, who are naturally exposed to British TV and forced to listen to their punditry. I watched Scholes every week when he was a player, but since I don't follow Sky or any other British TV and watch football mainly on Spanish/Italian or some random American channels, I have hardly seen his face and heard his voice since he retired. I've read his comments about United on Twitter, but I really didn't care that much and had no reason to start disliking him.It's the new school of internet fan. They're desperate for Manchester United to turn into a Spanish club like Barca or Real.
Anything that ties us to our British-ness or our heritage is automatically 'bad'.
That is perfectly ok to saySo to check, is it ok to say "that's a bit of a joke" about Scholes quitting his beloved home town club after 7 games?
Or is that disrespect?
Is every future action by the 92 gang to be treated with 100% backing?
Two wrongs don’t make a right. It pisses me off how much disrespect Keane is shown. Favorite player ever alongside scholesyThat's what I was going to say. When the club was down our legends didn't mind putting the boot in. They didn't really be diplomatic.