Yeah. If it is the will of the house to vote again, then the government can set aside this rule in the business motion. 'Will' would depend on whether more MP's change their thinking at the deadline gets ever nearer.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I swear that woman is in a trance.
That statement was a disgrace. A deliberate attack on Parliament with one eye in the polls and appealing to a very particular section of the electorate deliberately misrepresented as the general public.
What is she fecking playing at?
What is she fecking playing at?
We're absolutely fecked, the country is being 'run' by complete idiots.
Bloody-mindedness worthy of Thatcher.
I haven't heard or seen her speech but did she say this?
PM’s statement has started. It is “of great personal regret” that Britain is not leaving on March 29, she says.
Who said the UK aren't leaving on 29th March?
PM’s statement has started. It is “of great personal regret” that Britain is not leaving on March 29, she says.
Who said the UK aren't leaving on 29th March?
They've been bad for a while. We had the incompetent Brown, Cameron whose last contact with a normal person was probably his nanny, and now Theresa May, but nothing can compare to the war criminal who preceded them.
How popular is she? Any polls?
May might end up being hated more than Thatcher.
At least Thatcher was competent...
PMs speech in a nutshell is;
1 - everyone is to blame for this feck up except me, just like every feck up when I was head of the Home Office.
2 - nobody wants a referendum and it's a waste of precious time, even though I was more than happy to waste months on a general election when I thought I could score some cheap seats when I was ahead in the polls, which worked up until the point when I had to open my mouth and everyone realised my "I'm strong and stable" narrative was bullshit because the reality is I'm probably the most incompetent twat to hold the position of PM in a generation.
Am I close to the truth?
1 - everyone is to blame for this feck up except me, just like every feck up when I was head of the Home Office.
2 - nobody wants a referendum and it's a waste of precious time, even though I was more than happy to waste months on a general election when I thought I could score some cheap seats when I was ahead in the polls, which worked up until the point when I had to open my mouth and everyone realised my "I'm strong and stable" narrative was bullshit because the reality is I'm probably the most incompetent twat to hold the position of PM in a generation.
Am I close to the truth?
Not very, but still somehow more popular than her opposition.
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Would have been so awesome.
Anyone got a tldr?
May is still trying to use her favourability ratings from 2016/17 in these situations.
Followed by an instrumental of The Winner Takes It All softly playing in the background during her speech.
Gerronwivit and vote for my deal, parliament.
"my deals great, MPs are dumb twats, it's their fault not mine"
I don't think so. Maybe disliked by the educated class, but the working class who really had a burning hatred for Thatcher are generally more on May's side due to Brexit - which is mental since her policies are starving their kids.
Yeah, @Maticmaker, this. Brexiteers made this point numerous times: the people voted to leave the EU. They didn't vote for any deal, and didn't vote for no deal either.
So perhaps the best choice would be to ask them if this is what they votes for. If you believe the WA isn't what they wanted.
Tory and Labour parties both have incompetent leaders. And despite all the smoke screens I reckon we are going to get a remain situation in the end to their secret joy.
She's the Prime Minister who cried nothing. Another absolutely pathetic statement solely focused on pandering to the press to ensure that she's not the villain, even if it was about getting her deal through how is blaming all MP's apart from herself likely to get more of them on side?
Yes!Yeah. This her Shaggy "it wasn't me" speech. Twat.
Come on, it's definitely her Waterloo.
Worse than that. There was a definite inference that Parliament is the enemy of the people. I'm genuinely shocked by that speech. It was reckless, threatening, self preservation and rabble rousing.
Slipping through my fingers?
She's utterly useless.
Should I Laugh or Cry?
When they come back from meeting the frothing mouthed constituents after they get an earful in the clinics as 'Nazi treasonous fascists' or abusive and threatening emails they may be scared into backing the deal, I guess.
She's like my dad who kept trying to force feed me a prawn pasta when I was a kid, even though I'm allergic to prawns. He just wouldn't take no for an answer because he had spent hours preparing it. Eventually he said "well you can just starve, then".
They've said no to your deal twice, May. It's a shit deal. It's a prawn pasta.
They've said no to your deal twice, May. It's a shit deal. It's a prawn pasta.
We need someone to do a Geoffrey Howe on her.
That's a great song. Too good for her.
That WA is still way better than no deal. Reality will soon kick-in.
Haha it was the same for me but onions not prawns and my old ma used to try and sneak them in.
I wrote earlier that I think she's got a good chance of getting it through and I don't think this statement really affects that but it had nothing of substance and, if anything, just made her job in trying to win more of them round marginally more difficult.
The WA is the only deal. I doubt reality will kick in. They expect to have a trade deal ready by the end of the month.
Haha really? This lot have been sleepwalking for 2 years!
Here the the PM’s full statement:
“Nearly three years have passed since the public voted to leave the European Union.
“It was the biggest democratic exercise in our country’s history.
“I came to office on a promise to deliver on that verdict.
“In March 2017 I triggered the Article 50 process for the UK to exit the EU and Parliament supported it overwhelmingly.
“Two years on, MPs have been unable to agree on a way to implement the UK’s withdrawal.
“As a result, we will now not leave on time with a deal on the 29th of March.
“This delay is a matter of great personal regret for me.
“And of this I am absolutely sure: You, the public, have had enough.
“You’re tired of the infighting, you’re tired of the political games and the arcane procedural rows, tired of MPs talking about nothing else but Brexit when you have real concerns about our children’s schools, our National Health Service, knife crime.
“You want this stage of the Brexit process to be over and done with. I agree. I am on your side.
“It is now time for MPs to decide.
“So, today, I have written to Donald Tusk the President of the European Council to request a short extension of Article 50 up to the 30th of June to give MPs the time to make a final choice.
“Do they want to leave the EU with a deal which delivers on the result of the referendum, that takes control of our money borders and laws while protecting jobs and our national security?
“Do they want to leave without a deal, or do they not want to leave at all causing potentially irreparable damage to public trust not just in this generation of politicians but to our entire democratic process?
“It is high time we made a decision.
“So far, Parliament has done everything possible to avoid making a choice.
“Motion after motion and amendment after amendment has been tabled without Parliament ever deciding what it wants.
“All MPs have been willing to say is what they do not want.
“I passionately hope MPs will find a way to back the deal I’ve negotiated with the EU, a deal that delivers on the result of the referendum and is the very best deal negotiable.
“And I will continue to work night and day to secure the support of my colleagues, the DUP and others for this deal.
“But I am not prepared to delay Brexit any further than the 30th of June.
“Some argue that I’m making the wrong choice and I should ask for a longer extension to the end of the year or beyond to give more time for politicians to argue over the way forward.
“That would mean asking you to vote in European elections nearly three years after our country decided to leave.
“What kind of message would that send? And just how bitter and divisive would that election campaign be at a time when the country desperately needs bringing back together.
“Some have suggested holding a second referendum.
“I don’t believe that’s what you want and it is not what I want.
“We asked you the question already and you’ve given us your answer.
“Now you want us to get on with it.
“And that is what I am determined to do.”
“Nearly three years have passed since the public voted to leave the European Union.
“It was the biggest democratic exercise in our country’s history.
“I came to office on a promise to deliver on that verdict.
“In March 2017 I triggered the Article 50 process for the UK to exit the EU and Parliament supported it overwhelmingly.
“Two years on, MPs have been unable to agree on a way to implement the UK’s withdrawal.
“As a result, we will now not leave on time with a deal on the 29th of March.
“This delay is a matter of great personal regret for me.
“And of this I am absolutely sure: You, the public, have had enough.
“You’re tired of the infighting, you’re tired of the political games and the arcane procedural rows, tired of MPs talking about nothing else but Brexit when you have real concerns about our children’s schools, our National Health Service, knife crime.
“You want this stage of the Brexit process to be over and done with. I agree. I am on your side.
“It is now time for MPs to decide.
“So, today, I have written to Donald Tusk the President of the European Council to request a short extension of Article 50 up to the 30th of June to give MPs the time to make a final choice.
“Do they want to leave the EU with a deal which delivers on the result of the referendum, that takes control of our money borders and laws while protecting jobs and our national security?
“Do they want to leave without a deal, or do they not want to leave at all causing potentially irreparable damage to public trust not just in this generation of politicians but to our entire democratic process?
“It is high time we made a decision.
“So far, Parliament has done everything possible to avoid making a choice.
“Motion after motion and amendment after amendment has been tabled without Parliament ever deciding what it wants.
“All MPs have been willing to say is what they do not want.
“I passionately hope MPs will find a way to back the deal I’ve negotiated with the EU, a deal that delivers on the result of the referendum and is the very best deal negotiable.
“And I will continue to work night and day to secure the support of my colleagues, the DUP and others for this deal.
“But I am not prepared to delay Brexit any further than the 30th of June.
“Some argue that I’m making the wrong choice and I should ask for a longer extension to the end of the year or beyond to give more time for politicians to argue over the way forward.
“That would mean asking you to vote in European elections nearly three years after our country decided to leave.
“What kind of message would that send? And just how bitter and divisive would that election campaign be at a time when the country desperately needs bringing back together.
“Some have suggested holding a second referendum.
“I don’t believe that’s what you want and it is not what I want.
“We asked you the question already and you’ve given us your answer.
“Now you want us to get on with it.
“And that is what I am determined to do.”
Hopefully they don't get shit hurled at them tomorrow on their way to parliament. Seriously, I don't even want Mogg to be attacked, that's how serious I am.