Sassy Colin
Death or the gladioli!
Good point.You already did.
Good point.You already did.
I believe the government has to bring an amendable statement on either monday or tuesday to the house...The prime minister’s spokesman said:
"The consideration is to hold it (the vote) when we believe we have a realistic prospect of success. My understanding of last night is that the extension to May 22 was contingent on winning the vote next week."
perhaps if they cab get it to 18 million it will be hard to ingore... till then I expect the normal 17.4 million people voted for brexit... and brexit means brexit etcOver 3 million now.
If there's a general election before any settlement then the fights in the Tory party will be absolutely stupendous. And Labour will have to put something other than a blank page in their manifesto. Fudge anyone? I do feel guilty though, I'm starting to look on it all as pure entertainment rather than a matter of right and wrong.Likewise I think if it was mays deal and only 1 extension date that couldnt be amended she might have got it through... the EU really did do an impressive job of fecking that up for her whilst putting it over in a pretty friendly way... as it stands i think her deal goes down and immediately she calls a GE (if its conservative policy they easily get 2/3rd parliament) as it does not give her party time to boot her and as you say Corbyn will have to release a manifesto with a brexit policy (eg will they back a 2nd referendum) and that will cause a lot of problems for labour i think... equally if her deal goes down in flames again she can switch to "managed no deal" as the official conservative policy (again not without problems for conservative unity)
Farage discounted it on Sky News this morning as russian interference, i chuckled.perhaps if they cab get it to 18 million it will be hard to ingore... till then I expect the normal 17.4 million people voted for brexit... and brexit means brexit etc
He said a lot of the signatures of the petition were from Russia, at the time he said that it was 28 out 2.5 million although I guess 28 does seem like a lot of people when compared to his march.Farage discounted it on Sky News this morning as russian interference, i chuckled.
He also said the vast majority of the country want no deal. Must have judged it by asking people on his 'march'
I dont think there is a majority but for sure sure there is a significant %To be fair I get the sense - backed up by absolutely no evidence Ill admit - that a not insignificant number of people in this country do either want, or are absolutely willing to accept, a no deal Brexit.
That would be super easy. Apart from all the lost jobs and deaths. But who cares about that?Yessir.
That would be solving one problem and creating potentially a bigger one.Yessir.
Do you think it would make any difference if she’s overthrown? Who could come in and sort this out? The only sensible option is revoke but what potential new leader would have the inclination or balls to try that?She would get overthrown if she tried to take us down the no-deal route. Lets get MV3 out of the way early and work on Plan B.
If he bothered to have someone look at the data, he should have said "it's the French!!".He said a lot of the signatures of the petition were from Russia, at the time he said that it was 28 out 2.5 million although I guess 28 does seem like a lot of people when compared to his march.
Fair point!Do you think it would make any difference if she’s overthrown? Who could come in and sort this out? The only sensible option is revoke but what potential new leader would have the inclination or balls to try that?
Wouldn't be a big surprise actually. The whole Brexit mess proved to be a moderating influence on most Eurosceptics in the EU, and the EU's popularity actually grew outside the UK. Brexit, as things stand now, does not seem to be the "beginning of the end" for the union, rather it's a unifying force.So now Russia wants UK in the EU?
He's not got a great track record when it comes to facts and/or numbersHe said a lot of the signatures of the petition were from Russia, at the time he said that it was 28 out 2.5 million although I guess 28 does seem like a lot of people when compared to his march.
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On Question Time last night, one of the audience said that we should just leave without a deal and there was a big round of applause. Fiona Bruce then pointed out that, though it might have sounded like a lot of people, actually only a few were clapping.To be fair I get the sense - backed up by absolutely no evidence Ill admit - that a not insignificant number of people in this country do either want, or are absolutely willing to accept, a no deal Brexit.
Didn't know Mark Corrigan was involvedMore demonstration of the fraudulent referendum and how everyone seems to be wanting to bury this and not do anything about it. On top of this, Aaron Banks still under investigation by the National Crime Agency
This is Wigmore's and Bank's responses:
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not anybody likley to win the tory leadership.... jonson, gove... POP... they will give brexit a shot of viagra nd make it the hardest brexit it can possibly beDo you think it would make any difference if she’s overthrown? Who could come in and sort this out? The only sensible option is revoke but what potential new leader would have the inclination or balls to try that?
This is my problem with every single vox pop you see on the news where they go out into a random town centre and make it look like everyone is furiously pro Brexit. No, you're jus speaking to a bunch of retired old folk whilst everyone else is cracking on at work.A very loud and vocal minority.
Its a good point, though I dont know how representative a QT audience is. I think it would skew towards educated people, and old people who cant read probably wouldnt be able to find their way in.
As I said, I have no stats, no hard evidence. And as you suggest, a minority can make a lot of noise. But I dont think this group is as small as the absurdity of the proposition they support deserves.
Thing is, if the question of leaving with no deal had been put to these people at the time of the referendum it would have been a much smaller majority. May's incompetence and the likes of Farage and the ERG continuing to go on about how a no deal brexit will be fine continues to make people want to "get on with it"A very loud and vocal minority.
Its a good point, though I dont know how representative a QT audience is. I think it would skew towards educated people, and old people who cant read probably wouldnt be able to find their way in.
As I said, I have no stats, no hard evidence. And as you suggest, a minority can make a lot of noise. But I dont think this group is as small as the absurdity of the proposition they support deserves.
Javid, Hunt and Lidington were all remainers. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of one of them replacing her.not anybody likley to win the tory leadership.... jonson, gove... POP... they will give brexit a shot of viagra nd make it the hardest brexit it can possibly be
Yep. Pensioners and people in jobs with with no 'direct' relationship to the EU. Most of the angry, 'we have been betrayed' people that ring up Ferrari and Farage on LBC are in white van trades, retail, services etc. Very few in manufacturing or export/import related jobs. They, mistakenly, are under the impression that they can indulge their Land of Hope and Glory nostalgia by voting Brexit and that it will have zero effect on their livelihoods.This is my problem with every single vox pop you see on the news where they go out into a random town centre and make it look like everyone is furiously pro Brexit. No, you're jus speaking to a bunch of retired old folk whilst everyone else is cracking on at work.
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I know, and the 'they want their £39 billion' thing. Like that's a real concern for the EU - a continent with a GDP of £15,000 billionTweet
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Look at this shit. This prick is feeling “really no dealy” because Teresa May didn’t get invited to dinner. This is what we’re dealing with. Wankers who think no deal is a threat they can hold over the EU. It’s also incredibly immature. Gammons behaving like petulant children. Vile half-wits, the lot of them.
This is what I was referring to earlier about us looking like the EU's bitch. The optics of this play right into the hands of no deal brexiters.Tweet
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Look at this shit. This prick is feeling “really no dealy” because Teresa May didn’t get invited to dinner. This is what we’re dealing with. Wankers who think no deal is a threat they can hold over the EU. It’s also incredibly immature. Gammons behaving like petulant children. Vile half-wits, the lot of them.
Don't think Russia wants the UK still in the EU..Over 3000000 Russians think government listens to petitions
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See above , I asked exactly thatDon't think Russia wants the UK still in the EU..
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Whatever gets the most support becomes the new direction? It'd still need to pass the house at some point i guess but that should be the starting pointAnd in the usual fashion, none of these will pass.