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Indeed yes that tooOr they thought that neither were essential but one was/is more valuable than the other.
Indeed yes that tooOr they thought that neither were essential but one was/is more valuable than the other.
I didn't mean that everyone who defended Pogba is a fan of his first, just that there are some who are. And that's a fact because there are those who are openly admitting it. There are obviously also those who are keeping it secret, because it doesn't tend to go well with the fans of the club. His fans are always gonna be on his side of course, so that's contributing to how much people have defended him, even when it's obvious to others what he has done wrong. If someone is defending him no matter what, then I reserve my right to assume that they are biased. That's just how I see it.Or its just not binary, some people were fans of the club and defended Pogba because they saw him as essential to the clubs success and Jose non essential.
Also sometimes people just have differing opinions of situations, but it seems when people disagree these days they put others in a box "Martial fan over the club or Martial FC" or "Jose fan over the club" or "Pogba fan over the club"
Pretty much this. It's rather silly too.
I was disagreeing with this and saying that more than likely they just see things differently than you.I didn't mean that everyone who defended Pogba is a fan of his first, just that there are some who are. And that's a fact because there are those who are openly admitting it. There are obviously also those who are keeping it secret, because it doesn't tend to go well with the fans of the club. His fans are always gonna be on his side of course, so that's contributing to how much people have defended him, even when it's obvious to others what he has done wrong. If someone is defending him no matter what, then I reserve my right to assume that they are biased. That's just how I see it.
Having said that. If you are a player fan who follows him from club to club, you also become a fan of the team he currently plays in. So you are obviously going to want what's best for the team anyway. But like I said, sometimes you can tell that someone is going overboard to defend a player, and that's hard to understand for someone who is a fan of the club first.
You mean the response of a player playing for a club who preferred him over the manager and sacked this manager for him thus have 100% support at the club right? In comparison to a player who has been played out of his position the entire season under a manager that no one knows his future at the club.The difference between a player who got a new contract not long ago and a player who was benched and boeed at that time.
Pogba's reponse to the rumors is pretty classy tbf.
Always from the same people.You jest but if you switch the answers I'm pretty sure that we would be suffering a thread about Pogba being all business while Kanté openly express his happiness at the club.
True.Or its just not binary, some people were fans of the club and defended Pogba because they saw him as essential to the clubs success and Jose non essential.
Also sometimes people just have differing opinions of situations, but it seems when people disagree these days they put others in a box "Martial fan over the club or Martial FC" or "Jose fan over the club" or "Pogba fan over the club"
Pretty much this. It's rather silly too.
Which is the correct reason to fire a manager. The day we start firing managers because one player doesn't get along with them is the day the Raiola's of the world have truly won.Kante is loved by the fans and highly rated by the board. They just give him a massive contract at the start of the season.
Pogba has the same contract since 3 years and 3 months ago he was heavily booed at Old Trafford.
And the club backed a manager that threw him under the bus. They didn't fired Mourinho because of Pogba but because they were scared to miss a top 4 spot.
Vidic dipped out as soon as Moyes came in and things were ropey. Do you expect players to not be "Utd through and through" when the club is very successful and winning everything? I'm not surprised they were loyal. Of course I'm being a bit tongue in cheek.True.
Personally speaking, I feel that's how Pogba is. I have much more affection and romantic notions for players like Keane, Rio, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Eric, Becks, McClair, Pallister, Vidic, Evra, Charlton, Robson, etc because they were very much Manchester United through and through. They gave everything to the club and whilst people like Keane can be sometimes scathing in their words, he has said United are his club and his dedication and service to the club can never be questioned.
Pogba, I don't dislike and I want him to be a main man in our future success. However, his inconsistency frustrates me and the fact he was willing to go to City and is openly flirting with Madrid, whilst not giving us a season of football he is capable of, is something that annoys me
Enough people here accuse our record goalscorer of wanting to go to City...The way they talk about it, like it was a fact is oddI still don't believe he was willing to go to City either, think thats his agent. So the way you talk about it like its fact is odd.
Because our record goal scorer released a statement confirming it at the time... The day Pogba does that, then by all means accuse him of treason, or whatever.Enough people here accuse our record goalscorer of wanting to go to City...The way they talk about it, like it was a fact is odd
He was offered to City. He could easily have told his agent not to do that. Raiola works for Pogba, not the other way round
what a terrible attempt at a "got him" its a fact he wanted to go, he admitted it, Fergie admitted it, everyone knew it, it's not hearsay.Enough people here accuse our record goalscorer of wanting to go to City...The way they talk about it, like it was a fact is odd
He was offered to City. He could easily have told his agent not to do that. Raiola works for Pogba, not the other way round
Because our record goal scorer released a statement confirming it at the time... The day Pogba does that, then by all means accuse him of treason, or whatever.
What a terrible attempt at a response.what a terrible attempt at a "got him" its a fact he wanted to go, he admitted it, Fergie admitted it, everyone knew it, it's not hearsay.
Same. Didn't have any problems when Ronaldo was sold. Don't want to be here? Good riddance.Personally I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to move on.
He lacks consistenty, but his overall goal and assist output under OGS has been amazing. I don't really know who could replace him and that's available.Jeez. So much overreaction here over the kind of statement every player makes. Personally, I'm not too fussed about whether he stays or goes as I don't think he's the best CM in the world or the PL as some here do. He's a fantastic player but he ain't no Iniesta or Zidane.
As for the question of him actually leaving, I don't think Real can afford to buy him. We could ask for crazy money and Real have a massive rebuilding job to do, they can't spend 150-170 million on a CM when they need to sign at least 2 forwards.
Yeah United through and through.True.
Personally speaking, I feel that's how Pogba is. I have much more affection and romantic notions for players like Keane, Rio, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Eric, Becks, McClair, Pallister, Vidic, Evra, Charlton, Robson, etc because they were very much Manchester United through and through. They gave everything to the club and whilst people like Keane can be sometimes scathing in their words, he has said United are his club and his dedication and service to the club can never be questioned.
Pogba, I don't dislike and I want him to be a main man in our future success. However, his inconsistency frustrates me and the fact he was willing to go to City and is openly flirting with Madrid, whilst not giving us a season of football he is capable of, is something that annoys me
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/keane-refuses-united-offer-1.206817Roy Keane has refused Manchester United's first offer of an extended contract and has repeated his threat to leave unless the club meets his terms.
The Republic of Ireland midfielder insists he is not being greedy and that he just wants what he feels he is worth in today's market.
"If the new contract is not right then I won't sign it. I won't undersell myself. I would think that this is my last big contract so it has got to be right," he said.
"I turned down the first offer a few weeks ago because it wasn't right. I felt we were quite a bit apart and so the ball is now in the club's court.
"Even though I am United's captain, have moved into a new house and my family are settled here, I won't sign a deal I am not happy with.
"If it isn't sorted out I will have to look at the bigger picture and I would be prepared to go. That's not a threat, that's just life.
"By saying that I am not trying to hold the club to ransom. I'm not arrogant enough or stupid enough to think that Manchester United will break the bank to keep me.
"I know they have their limits. The club won't just give me something if it is not right for them as well."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/jul/14/newsstory.sport2Ferguson has already taken away the vice-captaincy from Ferdinand and the United manager scarcely concealed his irritation that several months of protracted negotiations appeared to have reached an impasse, "creating speculation and an unnecessary agenda that we do not want".
He said: "We want Rio to sign now because it will put the whole matter to rest. We want to be ready for our Champions League qualifiers next month with everyone at the club remaining here. That can be solidified by Rio signing his contract."
Ferguson usually regards the finer details of player contracts as confidential, and it is a measure of his annoyance with Ferdinand that he has been willing to offer thinly veiled criticisms of the defender ever since he was pictured on two dinner dates with Chelsea's chief executive Peter Kenyon in London in April.
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Why do we need to replace him directly? I mean why do we need a CM in his mould wen plenty of other successful teams have CMs that play nothing like Pobga. We simply change the system. We could a proper #10 for example and a new CM like Neves for someone of that kind. We don't have to exactly replace him like for like if we leaves.He lacks consistenty, but his overall goal and assist output under OGS has been amazing. I don't really know who could replace him and that's available.
Yeah, it's a reality we have to face. Right now, and ever since Sir Alex left, we're not a top tier club anymore in terms of competitiveness on the pitch. Players who are amongst the very best (we only have 2, DDG and Pogba), might not want to stick around at their peak if we don't have the ambition to match their abilities and potential.Same. Didn't have any problems when Ronaldo is sold. Don't want to be here? Good riddance.
Not saying Pogba wants to go or anything, but if he ever does, not the end of the world.
I think it's fair that players like Keane demand, what they think they are worth. Unfortunately the Sanchez issue has created a situation, we our best players obviously want to be paid the same or more than a player who has brought nothing to the team, ever.Yeah United through and through.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/keane-refuses-united-offer-1.206817
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/jul/14/newsstory.sport2
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Fergie said Keane was right to do that and it benefitted Fergie too in the transfer market.Yeah United through and through.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/keane-refuses-united-offer-1.206817
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Threatening to leave, wanting to leave, jumping the ship is nothing new is all I have to say.I think it's fair that players like Keane demand, what they think they are worth. Unfortunately the Sanchez issue has created a situation, we our best players obviously want to be paid the same or more than a player who has brought nothing to the team, ever.
And what is your point of view when players want to leave or talk about leaving, Roonster?Threatening to leave, wanting to leave, jumping the ship is nothing new is all I have to say.
Eh? So Ferdinand meeting Chelsea officials before extending contract, Vidic signing for other club when we were at our lowest point makes them United through and through?Fergie said Keane was right to do that and it benefitted Fergie too in the transfer market.
Doesn't go with the theme of your post though obviously.
If they want to leave, they should leave and free to do so as long as we get good offer to sign replacements.And what is your point of view when players want to leave or talk about leaving, Roonster?
Tbf, that was brutally honest answer from Keane. Can only respect that.Yeah United through and through.
It was obvious he just wants out, so nothing we could do about it. I also didn't want the whole thing to drag further through the newspapers and to read about his desire to play there as I got the feeling it could turn ugly. So in a way, I was glad it was over.Ronaldo was different because at the time we were a top club and it felt like he was moving to a direct rival for the CL. Still didn't begrudge him for the move, what was annoying was the replacements.
Well fans don't like brutally honest answers from players.Tbf, that was brutally honest answer from Keane. Can only respect that.
Ferdinand was a bit different though.
Vidic needed to go. He was finished. Both parties got the best out of that one.Eh? So Ferdinand meeting Chelsea officials before extending contract, Vidic signing for other club when we were at our lowest point makes them United through and through?
You can color it however you want to, they all stayed as ManUtd was winning shit loads of trophies. Moment we stopped winning Vidic jumped the ship, moment we looked like we won't Rio started to talk to Chelsea. Moment when player wasn't getting bigger contract, he openly said he will leave the club.
Doesn't make them United through and through. That's Neville, Scholes, Giggs who stayed all their life at this club even when Scholes and Giggs had numerous offers from big Italian clubs.
What Pogba did or is doing is noting new, he is just following what our legends did back in their day.
Exactly. At the end of the day, all of the guys are rich. Most of them grow up dreaming of WINNING things, not surviving top 4 scraps. The top players need to have assurances the club wants to win more than it does want to make money and brand itself.Because City, who pay oil money wages to their players, are the defending English champions en route to an unprecedented quadruple under the greatest manager in the world right now.
I've never seen a player answered the way Keane did that time. It is mostly wrapped in some common half-arsed answers which are then dissected into million pieces by posters here.Well fans don't like brutally honest answers from players.
That's very true. Wherever you stand on the debate it is an unavoidable fact fan-bases don't like hearing bad things about their club and will turn mental somersaults to massage the narrative in their minds.Well fans don't like brutally honest answers from players.
I guess we don't, but ever since we sold Ronaldo and lost Tevez, we have mainly been replacing our best players with worse or mediocre ones, which is one the reasons we have been in such a mess since Fergie left. We replaced ferdinand and vidic with players like Smalling, Phil Jones, Blind, and Rojo. We replaced Rafael, with darmian. We replaced Ronaldo and Tevez with Valencia and Michael Owen. We replaced players like Scholes with Tom Cleverly and Schneiderlin and Herrera. Nani with Depay. Rooney and Rvp with Lukkau and Rashford and Martial.Why do we need to replace him directly? I mean why do we need a CM in his mould wen plenty of other successful teams have CMs that play nothing like Pobga. We simply change the system. We could a proper #10 for example and a new CM like Neves for someone of that kind. We don't have to exactly replace him like for like if we leaves.
Rooney said he wanted to leave - he also outright questioned the ambition of Sir Alex fecking Ferguson, and United as a footballing institution in his statement. Has Pogba done likewise? The most he did was say that he was unhappy (which, a blind man could see was because of Jose)
Rooney never said he wanted to play for City