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[OutlawGER]

Was really hoping she'd be the one to kill Cersei (wearing Tyrion or Jaime's face) but I'd say that looks unlikely now she's killed the NK.

Tyrion, Jaime or Sansa. Maybe she doesn't even die. Maybe she turns babyface and tells everyone "you can't see me!" for the next 3 episodes. ... Or she just gets imprisoned.

Spoiler: speculation of her death

I think Jaime will kill her tbh. They probably die together, Romeo and Juliet style.

 

[kouroux]

I'm not even sure how they were feeding 40 thousand horses (alongside god knows how many troops, hiding civilians etc) in a frozen wasteland.

That said .. it's a tv show so I can ignore that shit

All those deaths simplify the logistics for Sansa at least

 

[Shane88]

He's a targ. Fire can't hurt him.

That dragon was shaping up for a Jon Snow snacc.

He burned his hand in season 1.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

He burned his hand in season 1.

Did he? Maybe you have to be a full on incest baby targ to get those powers then.

 

[LInkash]

Is that blue stuff really hot fire or icy stuff?

 

[RedSky]

Did he? Maybe you have to be a full on incest baby targ to get those powers then.

Yeah he got burned the first time he encountered a wight at Castle Black when he and Ghost defended Mormont.

Thats when Mormont gave him Jon current sword.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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People getting this excited over something so dumb makes me happy. It's rare but sometimes the simple stupidity of people is lovely.

That bit was deadly tbf. Rewatched it a few times myself.

Please god don’t let that shrieking and hollering at the screen during films thing cross the pond though. That would be the end of my cinema going days immediately.

 

[Cheesy]

Did he? Maybe you have to be a full on incest baby targ to get those powers then.

Daenerys' psycho brother got burned with gold in the first season. The power seems to be random I think.

 

[2mufc0]

Shame we didn't get to see the night King in more action, all he did was ride around the dragon. Other than that the battle was superb as always.

 

[Snowjoe]

Jorah the Explorer had some serious HP in that episode

 

[2mufc0]

Jorah the Explorer had some serious HP in that episode

So did the eyepatch guy

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The use of music in “that” scene was terrific. Such great telly.

 

[Njord]

A few tweaks to get a better episode:

1. Trebuches behind the trenches, guarded and controlled by a fraction of the unsullied. Everyone else up on the walls. Fire at the enemy until they reach the trenches, then light it up and keep firing. When the fire start to burn out, retreat and defend the walls.

2. Position the dothraki on a nearby height. When everyone have retreated to the castle they can flank the enemy and cut through them from the side. Would have been cool if they showed what they could do by cutting through the enemy once, but then at the return the WWs came on horseback and showed what they could do by destroying the entire dothraki army.

3. Dragons helping the dothraki until the fog came in, and night king shows up and blast a hole hole in the walls (which the unsullied btw. should have been able to defend excellently up until that point). Ensue the following dragon fight.

4. Many of the main cast could defend the opening in the walls Helmsdeep style, before realising they will get overrun. Here the unsullied could have had their big moment, allowing the remaining forced to retreat to the citadel or something.

5. Follow through with the rest of the episode. Escpecially the Arya line were brilliant. Maybe the Hound could have been put off by the NK dragon blast instead of the planned lighting of the trenches.

 

[2mufc0]

Dothraki charging into the dead solo was so fecking dumb though

 

[Man of Leisure]

So did the eyepatch guy

Thought he was done and dusted a couple times for sure. Not sure how he dragged himself into that room.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

That was... Disappointing?

 

[2mufc0]

Also what was the point in the NK's henchmen? Just walked around the whole episode

 

[Man of Leisure]

A few tweaks to get a better episode:

1. Trebuches behind the trenches, guarded and controlled by a fraction of the unsullied. Everyone else up on the walls. Fire at the enemy until they reach the trenches, then light it up and keep firing. When the fire start to burn out, retreat and defend the walls.

2. Position the dothraki on a nearby height. When everyone have retreated to the castle they can flank the enemy and cut through them from the side. Would have been cool if they showed what they could do by cutting through the enemy once, but then at the return the WWs came on horseback and showed what they could do by destroying the entire dothraki army.

3. Dragons helping the dothraki until the fog came in, and night king shows up and blast a hole hole in the walls (which the unsullied btw. should have been able to defend excellently up until that point). Ensue the following dragon fight.

4. Many of the main cast could defend the opening in the walls Helmsdeep style, before realising they will get overrun. Here the unsullied could have had their vig moment allowing the remaining forced to retreat to the citadel or something.

5. Follow through with the rest of the episode. Escpecially the Arya line were brilliant. Maybe the Hound could have been put off by the NK dragon blast instead of the planned lighting of the trenches.

Sounds like you missed out on your calling. Does Hollywood know you exist?

 

[2mufc0]

Gilly and Mini Sam are alive. No named characters died outside of the 6 - Theon, Mel, Jorah, Eyepatch Fella, Lady Mormont, Captain of Nightswatch Ed.

Gonna miss the captain

 

[iammemphis]

Thought it was great, although to be honest i was waiting for the night king to rip off his mask to reveal Arya or some mad shit. Where the feck did she come from?

And Lyanna, her whole body crushed and every bone in her body broken pretty much, i would have thought ordinarily this would have paralysed her yet she still managed to move her arm to kill the giant. What a hero.

Tongue in cheek aside, great episode and superb effort. Bit disappointed the NK was killed pretty easy without having a chance to wield his sword, or to even hear him speak would have been cool.

 

[MadMike]

He's a targ. Fire can't hurt him.

That dragon was shaping up for a Jon Snow snacc.

Oh he can get burned alright.

Not all Targaryens are immune to fire (Viserys a good example) and he burned his hand in the book trying to save the Lord Commander from the wights. They even showed that in the show

 

[Tarrou]

gonna watch it again tonight in 1080p and see if I can actually make something out this time

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Oh he can get burned alright.

Not all Targaryens are immune to fire (Viserys a good example) and he burned his hand in the book trying to save the Lord Commander from the wights. They even showed that in the show

Ah yeah cheers, seems that way.

I swear he was able to avoid fire loads of times this episode, so I kinda assumed he was immune what with the whole dragon riding shiz

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Just flicking back through the thread. Chill out, nerds. It’s just a fun tv show. No need to go all Art of War in your analysis.

“Can’t believer the Dothraki didn’t maintain a high line. And the trebuchet volley was so badly timed. Such an amateur strategy “

There was a flying zombie dragon ffs. You’re supposed to suspend your disbelief. Not micro manage the fecking troops!

 

[Code-CX]

That was... Disappointing?

It was a bit, yeah. My main gripe was that after all the years of building the NK as some sort of serious threat, he gets axed in one episode. That’s pretty lazy, but it was expected ever since the show no longer had the books to work with.

 

[iammemphis]

gonna watch it again tonight in 1080p and see if I can actually make something out this time

I was watching on Skygo and had to quit after 10 minutes and drive to my parents house. Watched it in HD there and thought the quality was still shit! Needed Ultra HD, which they don’t have, yet their TV is OLED. Expected better. Literally needed to go to the cinema to be able to see the true quality otherwise.

 

[Minimalist]

It was a bit, yeah. My main gripe was that after all the years of building the NK as some sort of serious threat, he gets axed in one episode. That’s pretty lazy, but it was expected ever since the show no longer had the books to work with.

I'm sorry did you want him to lose a limb at a time over three episodes or somethings? He was always getting taken out in one single moment.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Just flicking back through the thread. Chill out, nerds. It’s just a fun tv show. No need to go all Art of War on it.

“Can’t believer the Dothraki didn’t maintain a high line. And the trebuchet volley was so badly timed. Such an amateur strategy “

There was a flying zombie dragon ffs. You’re supposed to suspend your disbelief. Not micro manage the fecking troops!

Realistic military tactics are more fun. GRRM heavily researched medieval battle tactics/strategies before writing the books and they reflect that, all the better for it. The early seasons of the show were the same, pretty realistic depictions of combat/battles/logistics etc and it benefited from that I think. Just because there are fantasy elements (flying zombie dragon) doesn't mean you need to abandon all logic elsewhere.

People just found leading the trebuchets unguarded dumb and an unsupported cavalry charge in to the darkness a bit stupid too, which you know .. it kinda was.

 

[ivaldo]

The writing just feels so stupid.

Why hide in the crypts against the dead?
Why stand outside the walls of Winterfell against an overwhelming enemy?
Why does half the army charge alone into pitch darkness before the battle even begins?
Why do both dragon riders wait for Brienne to cry in pain before burning the dead?
Why light the firewall after your defenses have been broken? Why not split the enemy?
Why can Melisandre light thousands of Swords like it's no big thing, but struggles with firewood?
Where were the dragons while the army of the dead just AFK'd at the firewall?
If Bran was your bait why leave him with just a couple of Ironborn?
Why doesn't Sansa know how daggers work?
Why does Dany's dragon just keel over when a couple of Zombies attack it?
How does Arya get past all the dead and WW to land the blow?
Why is the NK immune to dragonfire but shatters against "dragon steel"?

Answer: because the writing isn't about telling a coherent story, it's about creating iconic badass moments and a rollercoaster between "oh yeah" and "oh no" moments, everything in-between and logic are secondary to that.

Was stupid
Horses aren't the most mobile on narrow modern structures. They hardly found it difficult to scale the wall anyway.
Horses charge. You're losing your units biggest strength allowing an enemy to come on to you. Besides, it's all justified in that epic scene.
Her magics have been inconsistent the entire show, and she was noticably shaken by the hordes of undead clawing their way towards her.
Lost in the fog.
What difference did it make? The intention was to bring the king to stand before him.
She does, just not well.
I wouldn't call that a couple of zombies.
We had about 3 seasons demonstrating how awesome the faceless men, and Arya by extension, were.
Why not?

That was a truly magnificent episode. I feel at this point, GoTs has lost its ability to shock, and so people are expecting something impossible to produce. The show couldn't forever be about political maneuvering, witty conversation and subtle plays. At some point we all knew there was going to be a coalescence of all the major characters in a big feck off battle. There needed to be a culmination of the bonds and relationships built over the last 8 years, and so a little suspension of disbelief is OK.

 

[2mufc0]

Looks like my TV settings aren't off after all, was really dark at times, guess they did it on purpose.

Can someone quickly explain Mel walking off and disintegrating at the end?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I mean the battle was decent... But it's not on the level of Battle of the Bastards or Hardhome... I mean i could barely tell what was going on for the first half of it with all the quick cuts/fog/dark etc... I was watching in HD so it can't just be me surely?

I also don't understand what their battle strategy was meant to be? (Could someone outline this for me?) What were the Dothraki doing? And what were John and Daenerys meant to be doing? Why didn't they start by setting some walkers on fire? In fact, why was John on a dragon at all?! He did literally nothing in this episode... Which is kind of bizarre.

Still, at least all the brown folk died first...

There were still some really cool shots and moments (lighting all the swords / raising the die) and the production level was obviously high... I just wish I could have made it all out/ followed it a bit better!

The ending... Urgh. We've been building up the Night King since season one and that's it? Really didn't like Arya coming out of nowhere either... Just seemed incredibly lazy.

 

[Verminator]

gonna watch it again tonight in 1080p and see if I can actually make something out this time

I watched it again tonight and set the TV to 'Dynamic' and it was much better. Also put it through the surround receiver which was better too.

 

[ivaldo]

Looks like my TV settings aren't off after all, was really dark at times, guess they did it on purpose.

Can someone quickly explain Mel walking off and disintegrating at the end?

She was really fecking old, and the amulet was the only thing keeping her alive. Her sole purpose was to defeat the Night King, and once that happened the Lord of Light had no more use of her.

 

[Code-CX]

I'm sorry did you want him to lose a limb at a time over three episodes or somethings? He was always getting taken out in one single moment.

I know. It’s just that it kinda felt cheap or rushed if you get what I’m saying. I would have expected him to be the reason for many more major character deaths but they decided to take the easy way out. We had this whole farewell scene in episode 2 and yet every single person in that scene survived somehow. I still liked the episode on the whole, just that it had its shortcomings with the way they handled the characters.

 

[marktan]

Game of thrones was interesting because you could expect the unexpected, and because there were no happy endings.

This episode was great.. until they decided to reverse it all in about 10 seconds by having the main guy die to some crappy kill after being built up for 8 seasons. So now we're on course for a boring Cersei v Danny battle, with a standard happy ending. We've also spent 3 episodes of this short season building up a hugely damaging battle.. only for Ed Tollet, fire sword guy and side character Theon being the main casualties.

But the show started to become very movie-esque ever since they stopped having the books to draw off of (of which blame lies with GGRM), so I'm not disappointed. Was a great 90 minutes of TV from a pure production point of view, but not so much the plot. I think anyone actually looking for a decent plot should wait for the books, but they're not likely to come anytime soon, so we're just left in a weird limbo of imagination.

 

[Tarrou]

Looks like my TV settings aren't off after all, was really dark at times, guess they did it on purpose.

Can someone quickly explain Mel walking off and disintegrating at the end?

she'd served her purpose to the Gods like that other matey who was brought back to help Arya survive, or something... tbh I really don't understand 80% of this show I just like the dragons, tits and memes

 

[sullydnl]

I mean the battle was decent... But it's not on the level of Battle of the Bastards or Hardhome... I mean i could barely tell what was going on for the first half of it with all the quick cuts/fog/dark etc... I was watching in HD so it can't just be me surely?

I also don't understand what their battle strategy was meant to be? (Could someone outline this for me?) What were the Dothraki doing? And what were John and Daenerys meant to be doing? Why didn't they start by setting some walkers on fire? In fact, why was John on a dragon at all?! He did literally nothing in this episode... Which is kind of bizarre.

Still, at least all the brown folk died first...

There were still some really cool shots and moments (lighting all the swords / raising the die) and the production level was obviously high... I just wish I could have made it all out/ followed it a bit better!

The ending... Urgh. We've been building up the Night King since season one and that's it? Really didn't like Arya coming out of nowhere either... Just seemed incredibly lazy.

I think they were supposed to be waiting for the NK to go for Bran and then they'd spring the dragons on him. But when Dany's horse guys got killed she went rogue and Jon followed? That was the "The NK is coming"/"The dead are already here" exchange they had.

 

[MadMike]

Realistic military tactics are more fun. GRRM heavily researched medieval battle tactics/strategies before writing the books and they reflect that, all the better for it. The early seasons of the show were the same, pretty realistic depictions of combat/battles/logistics etc and it benefited from that I think. Just because there are fantasy elements (flying zombie dragon) doesn't mean you need to abandon all logic elsewhere.

People just found leading the trebuchets unguarded dumb and an unsupported cavalry charge in to the darkness a bit stupid too, which you know .. it kinda was.

Agree, even in a fantasy setting you need some grounding and common logic for the story to gel.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Horses charge. You're losing your units biggest strength allowing an enemy to come on to you. Besides, it's all justified in that epic scene.
.

Horses don't charge with zero infantry support, unless you're talking about proper mounted Knights with lances/plate armour.

Light cavalry engaging in a frontal charge unsupported is suicide. They will be bogged down and cut apart as soon as they lose momentum. All effective light cavalry units throughout history harried the enemy with arrow volleys, hit the flanks, cycle charged and generally disrupted formations.

That plan was doomed from the start, but they had multiple competent commanders present and they should have known this. If they can't use the mobility of the cavalry then you may as well dismount and fight on foot.

 

[VidaRed]

3 episodes to go, and still no appearance by the other hot red priestess. These show writers are useless.