I don't want to bundle in all competitions. Just the top ones so given the disparity in quality between the PL and BL its only fair to measure them in the CL
By that measure Kimmich has 5 and TAA 4.
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By that measure Kimmich has 5 and TAA 4.
Amazing talent helped win them the match
Still suspect defending after Rome away last year I understand why Klopp left him out in nou camp. Barca were having fun on his side in the first half but didn’t seem to attack the left at all in the second, and when they did, they created chances
A very good young player
Still suspect defending after Rome away last year I understand why Klopp left him out in nou camp. Barca were having fun on his side in the first half but didn’t seem to attack the left at all in the second, and when they did, they created chances
A very good young player
Yea, it always comes down to how great the EPL is in comparison to the BL, as if 25 assists over two seasons is equal to nothing.
And even then, Kimmich has more assists than TAA in lesser matches in the better competition in any case.
I'm not saying TAA won't be better. The argument started with one person saying TAA's crossing is 'much better' than Kimmich, which I found ridiculous. Certainly TAA has a very high peak, and I've liked him for a very long time because he was performing at a high level last season as well.
I love Kimmich as well, I don't think there are many more complete players than him and he is very underrated because he plays RB. Both he and TAA are amongst the best in the world right now, but I don't think the disparity, either way, is a lot.
When you look at the difference between Liverpool's full backs to ours, it's night and day.
They're both defensively solid, both good going forward, both can cross, both can run all day, both are ACTUAL FULL BACKS.
They're both defensively solid, both good going forward, both can cross, both can run all day, both are ACTUAL FULL BACKS.
Why? Having great attacking fullbacks is essential to the way we play, and modern football in general, and with him we've got that position covered for the next decade.
I already love him, but dunno, it's just nicer to root for a Gerrard than a Finnan
I think he'd be even more involved if he plays in midfield. But agreed that there's no acute need or anything.Unbelievable maturity from him this season at what 20 years old? Insane talent, in fact for a RB I've never seen a player like him at that age
Do you think he has the physical ability to play at CM though? From the looks of his style, he would be a B2B midfielder but I don't think he has the physical presence yet and would be bullied off the ball often. At RB, you make use of his best aspects, which is speed and crossing.I already love him, but dunno, it's just nicer to root for a Gerrard than a Finnan
And with both him and Kimmich I feel they are the best RBs in the World in midfield they are just good. So why move them from a position they are the best at?I already love him, but dunno, it's just nicer to root for a Gerrard than a Finnan
I reckon he'd rather become the best right back in the world than fight for a place in midfield.
This may change in 5 years or what not.
This may change in 5 years or what not.
It's not equal to nothing but its easier to look good against weaker competition. This is simply a fact.
Yeah I think so, he's the same height as Milner and Wijnaldum for example. Still looks a bit frail at the moment but might chance over time.
He's one of the best RBs because of his contributions in attack, I feel. He has lapses of concentration in defense and struggles with balls over the top of his head - definitely not his defensive attributes which make him such a good RB. That could improve over time, and yes if he has the potential to be the best RB in the world by all means let him play there forever, but it's just something I'd like to see as I think he could excel in a midfield role as well with his range and vision.
I hate that he did it for Liverpool but love that he made that Barca defence look like even worse mugs than our defensive mugs.
I know what you mean.I already love him, but dunno, it's just nicer to root for a Gerrard than a Finnan
But like I said, fullbacks are becoming an increasingly important part of football, particularly those with good attacking skills. And if he keeps developing, he can become our own Roberto Carlos - not Finnan
Which was a wrong decision.
Who has been better than him this season? If nobody has, how can he not be the best in the world? It is irrelevant that someone may have been better than him for the last several seasons because that is the past.
Liverpool could still potentially win the Premier League and the Champions League, so I guess that will count as achieving something.
So, will he only be the best in the world in your view if they win their next two games (and City drop points in their last game)?
That seems silly to determine whether someone is the best in their position based on two games, but going by your view that appears to be the case.
When we finished 5th under Martinez it was because we had the best fullbacks in the league with Coleman/Baines at that time. It's no surprise that now Liverpool are at their highest level they also have the best fullbacks in the league. Both Robertson and TAA are ridiculously good. The two Barcelona games have shown that Robertsons defensive frailties are a myth and that at 20 TAA is one of the best RBs in football and can become the outright best in a couple of years if he continues this trajectory. The audacity to that corner routine was class.
He shouldn't have to move into midfield, he can do some of what Lahm did at Bayern under Guardiola though.
Yep. Fullbacks are the most important player in modern football IMO.
You've also improved massively since Digne + Coleman have returned to form too.
And he did. Depay had one game as a false 9 and didn't do well. So he went to plan B and called up Will Keane. Then Keane got injured in training so he had to go to plan C and call up Rashford. Remember, LVG sold a bunch of our attacking players and didn't replace them. All that we had was Martial, Rooney, Mata, Depay, Januzaj and Lingard. He got rid of DiMaria, RVP, Nani, Falcao, Kagawa, Zaha, and Wilson, leaving us very short up front and on the wings
Kimmich just edges it this season, but he's played more.
Kimmich has 14 assists and 2 goals to Arnold's 14 and 1. Kimmich has a 90.8 pass completion to Arnold's 75, and Kimmich wins more aerial duels per 90 than Arnold (0.8 per game to Arnold's 0.4) and he's made more forward passes (646 to Arnold's 357) and has created more chances (50 to Arnold's 29) as per Squawka and whocored
Kids gonna become the best full back in the world. A superstar in the making.
Liverpool showing how it’s done by playing this kid while we persist with shit like Young and finding excuses how the kids are not ready.
Kyle Walker is the best right back in the Prem for me but this guy is going to be right at the top. Reminds me of Rafael as a talented 20 year old
I wonder how bad Dalot is in training if Young is still preferred.
Fair enough. Kimmich's stats do seem to be good; maybe I should have put one of the best for Arnold. Admittedly, I don't watch much outside of the Premier League and European Cups, so I didn't actually know Kimmich was that good.
We have other young RBs in the youth teams.
No chance. I’m sorry but Kyle Walker is not better than TAA, it’s untrue. This isn’t even anything to do with last night but the fact that other than sheer raw pace and physicality Trent wins against Kyle Walker in every category, including being switched on more (having a brain) which considering his age is another tick in his box. Also yes I know you stated Walker is the best right back ‘right now’ and you may very well think TAA will be better in the future but the truth is he is better right now. He’s barely out of his teens and he is going to play his second CL final in a few weeks and if we go on to win the final he’ll be a big reason why.
I think that TAA certainly improved his stock value after last nights performance
Its all good. Arnold is an exceptional player
Bang on.
Arndold is comfortably the best RB in the league at the moment. Walker has played 1000 more minutes in all competitions and has produced way less this season. His stats are actually very poor for a RB playing so much at City. Rafael also didn't have a patch on Arnold at age 20, he was still rough around the edges but United fans had red tinted glasses when it came to him and Fabio (to a lesser degree).
Now the overrating is getting a little too tedious. Rashford had TAA on toast last season at Old Trafford. Kyle Walker is a seasoned professional and is currently the better player for me. Very soon i will have people telling me Origi is better than Lukaku just because he scored two goals yesterday
Origi is better than Lukaku. But to be fair so is Marouane Chamakh.
Nah but yeah I agree. TAA is in my opinion fantastic in attack and not so good defensively. Overall not as good as Walker, but I’m sure he’ll turn into one of the (if not the) best right back in the world sooner rather than later. I wish we ignored Dalot’s defensive weaknesses and just gave him the chance. I really don’t understand why we haven’t done that more this season. Solskjær likes attacking fullbacks after all. He’s not that bad in defense.
Ashley Young
Personally I think AWB is the best defensive right back in the league but TAA is the best offensive RB
You’re seriously raising a game from last year to justify how good he is?
Don’t be ridiculous - the guy has been the best right back this year in the league
He's really mature for his age. Doesn't make any rash errors or let his emotions get the best of him.
Walker plays a different role in the City side. He's had poor runs of form this season but has been excellent recently, and part of the reason City have conceded 3 goals in 13 games. He was also in the PL team of the year last season. Bit early to say TAA is the best RB "by far".
Do you think he's had a better season than Arnold? That's the pertinent question.