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Lingard isn’t squad level though.

He has less assists in his career than the Liverpool right back has in one season. Sterling this season scored more league goals than Lingard has in his career.

Works hard is just rubbish. I’m sure Jones, Young and Smalling work hard. Are they good enough? No wonder we got a lot of average players because fans are just happy with working hard. The fact is Lingard shouldn’t be at the club and Rashford needs to buck up his ideas.

Tom Cleverley and Welbeck worked hard too. Look where they are. One wasn’t good enough for Everton and can’t make the Watford team yet he had a lot of people when he was here defending him. Welbeck did nothing at Arsenal and he’d be on the bench for some team in lower part of the table.
And my issue is with people who criticize shit or shit on him for reasons unrelated to anything that happens on the pitch. I agree that he isnt good enough, though am fine with him being squad players. Funny you mention the likes of cleverley and Welbeck. Add Darren Gibson and others like that. All players Sir Alex loved having in his squad. Theres value in having them around, hard workers who love the club.
 

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The slag jobs directed against Jesse and Marcus are out-of-hand. They feel pride putting on the shirt and they are supporters who play for Manchester United. Targeting them when this whole squad has been rudderless and under-achieving because of a number of circumstances including instability at management level is just petty as well as nasty.

Yes they haven't developed as we'd like. Not because they have off-pitch interests and spend too much time on social media like just about every young person these days. They haven't had a strong backbone in the team to assist them, be role models, pull them aside and encourage them when needed or tell them to lift their game when needed.

Give Jesse and Marcus a breather and stop slagging them off. Their performances haven't been the train wreck some drama queens are asserting. They still have the ability and the work ethic.

With a decent manager since Sir Alex they would be in a different place. Yes I know it's up to them to take responsibility but there are other factors in the squad and club structure and until those are addressed, some young players will under-achieve. This is one of the areas in which I think Ole will show his worth.
Oh please. Lingard is getting slagged because he is utter shxt and should not be playing at a club like MUFC. Rashford is getting slagged because he seems to have made Lingard his role model. They are getting what they deserve.
 

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Fair enough if he was shopping at Next or something, but if he's literally wearing his own branded range of clothing, I don't think he can expect people to not voice opinions about it.
Again... who cares? He has a clothing brand. He likes fashion and whatever. It literally has nothing to do with anything.
 

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In fairness, making it as a professional footballer is an incredible achievement in itself and noone criticising from the stands could do better than Rashford and Lingard currently are- so there is that angle.

That said, it's Arseholish behaviour for anyone to be boasting about the achievement, nevermind after underachieving by finishing 6th, winning no cups and winning just 2 of the last 12 games for a club like Manchester United while playing as poorly as they did.
 

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Saw that Rashford and Lingard had both posted this on their Instagram accounts.

Apparently that's the success rate of young players that make it in the Premier League.

Seems that they're getting a bit of stick online as elitist / arrogant.

From a social media perspective, is Lingard serving as a bad influence / off the pitch distraction to Rashford?
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I've made single post sticking up for Becks here after he was slated by Twigs, unfairly.
I'm with harams, players, be it Beckham, Lingard, Hazard, Griezmann can do whatever the hell they like off the pitch if they perform on it. Sadly though they will be eaten alive when acting like Superstars but not playing anything like, that's just how it is, especially in the social media age.

I personally can't for the life of me understand when any footballer allows comments on his/her social media, they must be complete suckers for psychological punishment.
 

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In fairness, making it as a professional footballer is an incredible achievement in itself and noone criticising from the stands could do better than Rashford and Lingard currently are- so there is that angle.

That said, it's Arseholish behaviour for anyone to be boasting about the achievement, nevermind after underachieving by finishing 6th, winning no cups and winning just 2 of the last 12 games for a club like Manchester United while playing as poorly as they did.
Nail on the head.
 

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And my issue is with people who criticize shit or shit on him for reasons unrelated to anything that happens on the pitch. I agree that he isnt good enough, though am fine with him being squad players. Funny you mention the likes of cleverley and Welbeck. Add Darren Gibson and others like that. All players Sir Alex loved having in his squad. Theres value in having them around, hard workers who love the club.
Sir Alex isn’t around. He got more out of average players and Lingard certainly isn’t a squad player at the moment. He plays every game and does nothing, so what’s the use of him in the squad? May as well give that spot to a reserve player.

Whole point of being a squad player is contributing. Lingard doesn’t do that as a starter, so hows he going to do with even less minutes?
 

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I don't get the criticism both are getting for their off field antics.

They are young people(in global scheme of things Lingard is too), earning tons of cash. You can mock them, but it's hardly surprising they make some bad clothing choices.

I doubt if Lingard didn't have own brand would make him somehow better footballer. It is what it is.
 

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Oh please. Lingard is getting slagged because he is utter shxt and should not be playing at a club like MUFC. Rashford is getting slagged because he seems to have made Lingard his role model. They are getting what they deserve.
If George Clooney gets 20-million quid for a crap movie, I doubt he's plagued by hundreds of twats tweeting 'I spent my hard-earned money on Batman F*cks Off & Then Returns Again, Clooney!!! So quit flogging shit coffee and hanging out with Matt Damon - he's a bad influence...#you old c*nt.'

So, in short, most famous people don't 'deserve it'.
 

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I also said that he's done almost nothing important in the game. Is it outdated thinking that if you've been very poor in your job you don't dress extravagantly at public events where you represent your employer? It comes across as some sort of a bad joke, IMO. Then him spending so much time on social media, why not tone down a bit and work on improving your skill level which btw isn't up to the standard. It adds nothing but laughter from oppo fans.
He's a premier league player playing for Manchester United. He's already in the top 1% of the world at what he does. How he dresses... who cares? People have their own individual fashion sense. It has absolutely nothing to do with your status. Posting stories on Instagram? I post stories and pictures on snapchat and Instagram. Who gives a feck. Its social media. He's posting pictures of himself living the dream. Hating on shit like that isn't "outdated thinking", it was never even acceptable. You're literally basically saying football results decide when a player is allowed to be happy and share that with others.
 

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I have been saying for ages now that Lingard is a bad influence on Rashford.

Lingard is symbolic of everything thats wrong with this football clubs culture, he simply doesn't have the professionalism and conduct for a top club.
What is it specifically about Lingard that’s the unprofessional. Some examples would be nice, too.
 

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Saw that Rashford and Lingard had both posted this on their Instagram accounts.

Apparently that's the success rate of young players that make it in the Premier League.

Seems that they're getting a bit of stick online as elitist / arrogant.

From a social media perspective, is Lingard serving as a bad influence / off the pitch distraction to Rashford?
There's a time and place to big yourself up. When you and your team are under performing - it's not that time. Dolts, the pair of them. I think this childish culture at the club can do with toning down. Everyone needs to get their heads down and set an example. I usually don't care about off the pitch shenanigans, but sometimes it has to be reigned in.
 

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I respect the posters sticking up for our players but ridiculing critics as bitter old men is immature. I reckon generally we all just want decent players at the club, who actually make you happy when watching them regardless of whether they're locals lads, fashion icons, hardnosed bastards. Would anyone be slating Ronaldo for his fashion antics if he was still here banging in 40 goals a season? - would they feck, unless they have signed up to the wrong forum.

There probably is a handful of followers who are that fixated with players social lives it dictates their overall view on them as footballer, but I hope there isn't too many.

I'd personally love Lingard to have a good pre season, train well, head down, focus on football and come out from game 1 next season and play out of his skin and silence so many critics.

I'm 24, does the paragraph above mean I'm a bitter old man?
Mate I'm 23 and can't stand Lingard. I've got time for Rashford but of late, the pair of them have been shite and need to stay away from social media. It's not rocket science to expect backlash after such a mediocre season when posting like you're the bollocks.
 

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In fairness, making it as a professional footballer is an incredible achievement in itself and noone criticising from the stands could do better than Rashford and Lingard currently are- so there is that angle.

That said, it's Arseholish behaviour for anyone to be boasting about the achievement, nevermind after underachieving by finishing 6th, winning no cups and winning just 2 of the last 12 games for a club like Manchester United while playing as poorly as they did.
Also when that post symbolises everything that is wrong with Man Utd these days then it's time to be concerned about the direction the club is heading.

Bunch of losers clinging on to their money and fame to make up for their lack of ability. Isn't that what Manchester United has become? Only interested in raking in the money and sponsorships whilst we struggle to even be relevant year on year.

Can people not see the parallels between the two?
 

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Mate I'm 23 and can't stand Lingard. I've got time for Rashford but of late, the pair of them have been shite and need to stay away from social media. It's not rocket science to expect backlash after such a mediocre season when posting like you're the bollocks.
Same here (except I'm 25). Both of them haven't performed so posts like these will only anger fans and rightly so.
 

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Mate I'm 23 and can't stand Lingard. I've got time for Rashford but of late, the pair of them have been shite and need to stay away from social media. It's not rocket science to expect backlash after such a mediocre season when posting like you're the bollocks.
Why do you care, mate? Season is over anyway, posting crap on social media doesn't really have any relation to it whatsoever.

Most footballers aren't that bright bunch of individuals. I can understand slating them on their performance on the pitch, but really who cares what they do on SM?
 

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Pointing out that Lingard is shit is now seen as being cantankerous?

Huh.
 

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They are both lads who give their all for the club, get involved with local charities and have been involved with some amazing memories who get a load of shit off “fans” online.

Jesse and Marcus both work hard and the way some of you talk about them is ridiculous.
Well said ! Errr jess can you send me a signed shirt , thanks.
 

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They are frankly coming across as a double act, dumb and dumber asking for ridicule. You would think the way the season played out they would have the sense to keep quiet and come back with a point to prove. How Rashford stayed in the team and Lingards defiance and pride of being a bang average footballer really sums the club up. As Neville said, theres nothing to like about this group
 

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Why do you care, mate? Season is over anyway, posting crap on social media doesn't really have any relation to it whatsoever.

Most footballers aren't that bright bunch of individuals. I can understand slating them on their performance on the pitch, but really who cares what they do on SM?
I'm not arsed really... just providing another view point to explain why fans are giving them shit. It's understandable.
 

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BTW - I interpreted their point as that to make it to where they are today they have had to be incredibly talented and outwork so many other players. You don’t get to be an England player unless you sacrifice parts of your social life for hard work and graft. Despite all this hard work and graft we have fans who give us shit for turning up to a charity event in clothes we don’t like.

I see it as a well deserved pop at those vitriolic fans who contribute nothing to the club.
 

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Same here (except I'm 25). Both of them haven't performed so posts like these will only anger fans and rightly so.
Wow fans are angry because 2 footballers made a simple post after getting shit loads of abuse for months and in Lingard case years. Shame they are not robots.
 

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"I don't think he can expect people to not voice opinions about it." is just a nicer way to say that he deserves all the abuse that he's getting. Well done.
That's a bizarre way to deconstruct what I said. Well done.
I don't think that anybody deserves abuse unless they are abusive themselves. I was just pointing out that, if you release a clothing brand to sell, you have to accept some criticism of it. I wouldn't expect anyone to criticise Mourinho's singing voice normally, but if he released an album of love ballads, he would be inviting people to form an opinion on it, and I'm sure some of those opinions would be negative. Would you find that so outrageous?
 

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BTW - I interpreted their point as that to make it to where they are today they have had to be incredibly talented and outwork so many other players. You don’t get to be an England player unless you sacrifice parts of your social life for hard work and graft. Despite all this hard work and graft we have fans who give us shit for turning up to a charity event in clothes we don’t like.

I see it as a well deserved pop at those vitriolic fans who contribute nothing to the club.
Tbf whatever the banner that was used for Liverpool sums up the toxic fan base

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