Not trying to defend him, he made his own bed. But you can also say it was the riskier decision to move to PSG where he’d have all the expectations on his shoulders as the face of the club, leaving the comforts of Barcelona, without Messi and co. to shield him. He’d have known he’d receive the brunt of the criticism if PSG faltered, and the accolades if they succeeded (which would be CL or bust), not to mention all the additional labels he’d be tagged with being associated with the club (“playing in a farmer’s league”, “only cares about money”, etc.). In that sense, he bet on himself to succeed, which is understandable if not respectable, but obviously hasn’t gone to plan so far (that is if he did leave to get out of Messi’s shadow).
Is Neymar's star fading?
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His star has dimmed considerably, but a lot of that is definitely due, as mentioned, to the PR nightmare at the World Cup. The blunt reality is, unless you play in La Liga or the Premiership (the two best leagues by miles), you are outside the top bracket of football for a huge chunk of your yearly football. If PSG had won a couple of CLs with him leading the way, he may have put himself in there with Messi and Ronaldo, but they kept performing the past few years in the better league. He moved to a smaller club in a much poorer league purely for money, when he SHOULD be playing for either Barca, Madrid, one of the top 4 Premiership teams. Perhaps at a massive stretch, Bayern. Possibly. Only due to the fact I'd think they were considerably more likely to win the CL than PSG.
Hell, for all the "collecting medals" chat, he wasn't in any of the French cup final squads PSG have won because of his injuries, so he doesn't even get that miserly credit. Given that his drive was to be the best in the world, according to many sources, he needs to either lift PSG to some impossible CL dominating height, or he needs to carry Brazil to several trophies, or most likely, he needs to move to a big Spanish or English team whilst he is still young enough and fit enough to do so.
Hell, for all the "collecting medals" chat, he wasn't in any of the French cup final squads PSG have won because of his injuries, so he doesn't even get that miserly credit. Given that his drive was to be the best in the world, according to many sources, he needs to either lift PSG to some impossible CL dominating height, or he needs to carry Brazil to several trophies, or most likely, he needs to move to a big Spanish or English team whilst he is still young enough and fit enough to do so.
Seen a few people comparing Neymar's Move to PSG to Ronaldo's move to Juve! 
Italian League is much better than the French one to start, and Juve got to a few finals prior to Ronaldo's move. Plus, Neymar was 25 when he left Barca for Qatar, Robaldo was 33 and wanted a new challenge after winning 3 CL in a row with Madrid, big difference between him and Neymar.
Anyway, Neymar will never win the bigger individual prizes if he's in the same team as Mbappe as Mbappe has more chances of winning international tournaments with France than Neymar does with Brazil.
Italian League is much better than the French one to start, and Juve got to a few finals prior to Ronaldo's move. Plus, Neymar was 25 when he left Barca for Qatar, Robaldo was 33 and wanted a new challenge after winning 3 CL in a row with Madrid, big difference between him and Neymar.
Anyway, Neymar will never win the bigger individual prizes if he's in the same team as Mbappe as Mbappe has more chances of winning international tournaments with France than Neymar does with Brazil.
Dude has been injured and out of the news for months. Of course his star is fading 
So you're a mercenary if you don't play for Real, Barcelona or (conveniently) one of the 6 big teams in England?
What idiocy is this.
What idiocy is this.
Neymar's star wouldn't fade.
It would fall out of the sky, then it would pretend to burn up for a prolonged period of time, orbitting the Earth several times for no reason whatsoever, completely inconsistent with what you'd expect from a legit shooting star, before coming down to earth harshly when the realisation that his run is over dawns on him.
It would fall out of the sky, then it would pretend to burn up for a prolonged period of time, orbitting the Earth several times for no reason whatsoever, completely inconsistent with what you'd expect from a legit shooting star, before coming down to earth harshly when the realisation that his run is over dawns on him.
Italian league is not what it used to be, but I still consider it above the French league, not by a big margin though. I think the comparison with the two moves is that CR7 went to an easier league with the best team by miles before he even joined so the challenge is not the same unless he wins them the CL, similar to Neymar who will only be seen as successful if PSG win the CL. Both of their success will only be determined by winning the Champion's league, because they were never needed for anything else for their respective clubs who are dominating their league.Seen a few people comparing Neymar's Move to PSG to Ronaldo's move to Juve!
Italian League is much better than the French one to start, and Juve got to a few finals prior to Ronaldo's move. Plus, Neymar was 25 when he left Barca for Qatar, Robaldo was 33 and wanted a new challenge after winning 3 CL in a row with Madrid, big difference between him and Neymar.
Anyway, Neymar will never win the bigger individual prizes if he's in the same team as Mbappe as Mbappe has more chances of winning international tournaments with France than Neymar does with Brazil.
Apart from Juve being in a better league, Ronaldo also has the benefit of having already won 5 ballon d'ors, 4(?) Champions leagues and being widely considered one of the (if not the) best players ever.Seen a few people comparing Neymar's Move to PSG to Ronaldo's move to Juve!
Italian League is much better than the French one to start, and Juve got to a few finals prior to Ronaldo's move. Plus, Neymar was 25 when he left Barca for Qatar, Robaldo was 33 and wanted a new challenge after winning 3 CL in a row with Madrid, big difference between him and Neymar.
Anyway, Neymar will never win the bigger individual prizes if he's in the same team as Mbappe as Mbappe has more chances of winning international tournaments with France than Neymar does with Brazil.
Neymar on the other hand is mostly famous for being the second best player in Barcelona and a bit of a cnut.
But Ronaldo was 33 when he moved while Neymar was 25? Its entirely understandable for a player entirely his last years to move to somewhere less challenging, and maybe he wanted to win the Champions League with three different teams? Seedorf being the only other player to do so, so hes still setting himself challenges.
Neymar on the other hand, left Barca when he should have been entering his peak, and to a League much weaker than the Italian one, with the Italian one being much more prestigious too, all I'm saying is that it shouldnt be compared with one another.
@KirkDuyt so Ronaldo is the better player? Not many would disagree, so maybe Neymar should have made more of his talent rather than scurry off out of Messi's shadow and into Mbappes. As I said above all I'm saying is that Ronaldo's and Neymar's move shouldnt be compared.
So you count Ronaldo's champions league but not Neymar (as a top scorer btw)? How does that work? To pay respect to one player you don't need to be ignorant about other player. Hazard who is hugely respected here dreams of having Neymar's titles
I'd say being the 2nd best player in Barcelona is more than 99.99999% of all professional footballers can say. Seeing as Messi plays there. My response was to the ludicrous comparison between his move to PSG and Ronaldo's move to Juve.
For me Neymar is much closer to mere mortals like Hazard, Lewandowski, Suarez, Robben, etc than he is to Messi and Ronaldo. Of course he's an amazing player, but still, when I think of Neymar, the first thing that springs to mind is cnut. With Ronaldo, even though I think he's also a cnut, the first word that springs to mind is titles.
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Aye, Neymar made the wrong choice if you ask me. At PSG, the only way you can win is by winning the CL. No one cares if you win the French league at PSG 27 times in a row and winning the Champions League while never really being tested throughout the season seems hard for them.
He needs to prioritise the CL over getting injured to bang his sister on her birthday!
On a more serious note, his star was always going to fade a bit due to where he is. When was the last time the worlds best player didn't play in Spain/Italy/England?
Having Mbappe alongside him doesn't help. I mean he's a superior player to him but Mbappe is the golden child of football right now and is especially popular in France where Neymar is playing. Maybe he likes being the big fish in a small pond. Not all footballers have the mentality to be the best they can possibly be.
On a more serious note, his star was always going to fade a bit due to where he is. When was the last time the worlds best player didn't play in Spain/Italy/England?
Having Mbappe alongside him doesn't help. I mean he's a superior player to him but Mbappe is the golden child of football right now and is especially popular in France where Neymar is playing. Maybe he likes being the big fish in a small pond. Not all footballers have the mentality to be the best they can possibly be.
Should be in his prime really shouldn't he? Made a tit of himself by going to PSG and acting like a child at the WC.
Chelsea should get him as a Hazard replacement. It'd be funny to see him getting kicked about by Burnley defenders.
Chelsea should get him as a Hazard replacement. It'd be funny to see him getting kicked about by Burnley defenders.
Seems an ill-timed, ill-advised and wrong career move for him. Unless he's more motivated by ego, money & fashion/lifestyle - which is a possibility. Though I also can't say that definitively because I don't know him personally, and at the time, I know there were some issues with the Barca board.
IMO, I think he'd have won at least one more UCL with Barca, if he stayed.
IMO, I think he'd have won at least one more UCL with Barca, if he stayed.
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Breaking: Neymar banned for three European games for insulting match officials on Instagram after PSG lost to Man United. He is set to miss half of Champions League group stage next season
8:56 AM - 26 Apr 2019
Breaking: Neymar banned for three European games for insulting match officials on Instagram after PSG lost to Man United. He is set to miss half of Champions League group stage next season
8:56 AM - 26 Apr 2019
Good
Neymar banned for another 3 games for hitting fan.
https://www.joe.co.uk/football/neymar-three-match-ban-psg-cup-final-231100
https://www.joe.co.uk/football/neymar-three-match-ban-psg-cup-final-231100
His transfer to PSG is arguably the worst decision made by a top player in the last decade.
cnut
Not even sure about that part
https://mobile.twitter.com/andimlee/status/1098829385908580352?lang=en
It was for him punching that fan and his UCL ban per reports.
No one cares for his performances in League 1. He only has a couple of games in the UCL to shine. It was a very bad descision to move to PSG. Next step: China.
Out of Copa America officially now.
https://www.cbf.com.br/selecao-bras...ar-jr-esta-desconvocado-da-selecao-brasileira
https://www.cbf.com.br/selecao-bras...ar-jr-esta-desconvocado-da-selecao-brasileira
Erm... I think he's being paid around £750k a week... Certainly from a financial perspective it's not a bad career move
The waif is hurt again? Star is definitely fading.
Definitely seems to be made of glass. If I'm not wrong he's had 2 foot injuries over the last 2 years that kept him out for 3 months each, now this.
Could be he's targeted and not prone to them mind you
It was the same foot injury, not two separate.
Obviously I wasn't talking about money, was I ?
Hate it for the scrawny fanny.
If only he chose the challenge of bringing Manchester United back to our former glory when he left Barca, instead of wasting his career in that farmer league... He would be challenging for the next Ballon d'Or with us celebrating the Champions League, not crying out with another injury like that. Poor guy.
United do not have 220m cash, so it was never an option. And the move wouldn't prevent injuries.If only he chose the challenge of bringing Manchester United back to our former glory when he left Barca, instead of wasting his career in that farmer league... He would be challenging for the next Ballon d'Or with us celebrating the Champions League, not crying out with another injury like that. Poor guy.
Can understand his head not being in the right place after the allegations placed against him this month but apart from that, he looks like he massively regrets the PSG move, I mean, he's won some trophies but non of them are regarded as relevant by anyone outside of France.
You've only got to watch the video of him wrestling a Brazilian youth player to the ground because he nutmegged him to see how far he's fallen.
he should be the one you talk about the most after Ronaldo and Messi, but since the 2015-16 season it's been rather underwhelming for him. injured now, injured at WC, injured in last two CL knockout campaigns... and people won't care much about PSG until the next CL knockout stage so it's another 8 months of being fairly irrelevant again.
I think he has made an absolute mess of his career.
Granted he's still won a bit, but its just so meh. He seems to have bottled his main objective as well which was maximising his brand.
Granted he's still won a bit, but its just so meh. He seems to have bottled his main objective as well which was maximising his brand.
Did he cry?
Some Nigerian uncle or aunty must have done JuJu on him.
His a-hole father ruined him.
It has faded big time. He's a circus now.
One of the most overrated players ever. Always said it