[Fridge chutney]

Whose made homophobic remarks

Its not a generational/lack of humor/Redcafe thing, we've all known people like Lingard - the annoying class clown. Granted, I haven't known many that were still carrying on like it at 26.

Not sure where but someone referred to Lingard and Rashford and Pogba as "bum chums" which is just unnecessary and frankly depressing to read. Would we have said the same about Scholes and Giggs' friendship? I get that we can make fun of how daft Lingard's outfits are, and how silly his instagram videos are, but this thread takes it too far, in my opinion. It makes for very uncomfortable reading.

Should Lingard improve on the pitch? Absolutely, his performances, along with the team's dropped significantly and have been very frustrating to watch as fans. Should the United hierarchy improve in several key positions, including the spaces Lingard occupies? Yes! But that's hardly up to Jesse. I find some of the abuse he gets here over the top and cringeworthy. Just my opinion.

 

[WR10]

A lot of people are getting triggered by the criticism that he is getting for his lifestyle and appearance choice. It’s no surprise, as a lot of young dudes in England aspire to have an image like Lingard’s in the public. It’s understandable that as a result, you have people fiercely defending him.

There’s nothing inherently ‘bad’ with how he chooses to play his image.

What’s disgusting though, is the complete disrespect to the fans and club that have given him the wealth and fame based on the expectation of a certain level of effort and success. He consistently puts in a garbage amount of effort and produces absolutely noting to earn what he is flaunting. That’s why he gets immense criticism.

Yes he’s a young lad being a young lad. This young lad has responsibilities and expectations though. He has to fulfill them - it’s as simple as that.

Think of it as an employee that fecks around while on the job and achieving absolutely none of their tasks. Yet you still pay their wages with no repercussions whatsoever.

The salt in the wound with him is that he has taken rashford in under his wing which also pisses a lot of people off. Chicken or the egg with rashford though.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Madrid can have pogba for 50 million if they take this little helmet scraping with him.

 

[Dolf]

Turns 27 in December...
Surely we can get 10-20 million for him? Sell him and buy Van De Beek. Better mentality, more quality.

 

[littlepeasoup]

Not sure why people actively engage with things that make them so angry. I don’t follow any united players on twitter or instagram and I live in blissful ignorance.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

A lot of people getting triggered by the criticism that he is getting for his lifestyle and appearance choice. It’s no surprise as a lot of young dudes in England aspire to have an image like Lingard’s in the public. It’s understandable that as a result you have people fiercely defending him.

There’s nothing inherently ‘bad’ with how he chooses to play his image.

What’s disgusting though is the complete disrespect to the fans and club that have given him the wealth and fame based on the expectation of a certain level of effort and success. He consistently puts in a garbage amount of effort and produces absolutely noting to earn what he is flaunting. That’s why he gets immense criticism.

Yes he’s a young lad being a young lad. This young lad has responsibilities and expectations though. He has to fulfill them - it’s as simple as that.

Think of it as an employee that fecks around like that while on the job achieving absolutely none of their tasks. Yet you still pay their wages with no repercussions whatsoever.

The salt in the wound with him is that he has taken rashford in under his wing which also pisses a lot of people off. Chicken or the egg with rashford though.

Agree with this. How he dresses just makes him look like a bit of a prat. It is the fact we have had such a bad season and he is still quite happy to promote himself off the back of playing for this club. Also he is not a young lad, Rashford is a young lad who like you I so wish he wasn't under Lingard's wing. For all we criticise Ashley for his performances I would rather he was mentoring him than someone who seriously needs to grow up. He is quite happy to taunt other clubs/players when things are going well, but doesn't seem to have to social awareness to know when to keep a low profile.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Not sure why people actively engage with things that make them so angry. I don’t follow any united players on twitter or instagram and I live in blissful ignorance.

I don't, but some nitwit keeps posting stuff in here to make me angry.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Agreed. That is poor form. But it is very clearly not him as he was in the stadium in plain sight. And he apologized.

For me that brings up another question, buts its more a general question of the point of social media and people who follow celebrity staff that pretend to be said celebrity. Does lingard do any of things he posts? Are we hating him, when really we just be hating Jeff the intern? The other issue people had was the image tweeted with his branding all over that that was drawing more attention than the cause he was supposed to be supporting, the victims of the manchester bombing. Again, thats his staff, supposedly. So I guess it comes down to is it him or is it the people he hires, and I guess for many thats still on him because he hired them.

He must have people that inform him of what he should and shouldnt be doing in regards to his brand. Acting as hes does cant be good for his brand, unless being seen as a caricature of the modern footballer is his goal? Lingard is older than pogba, yet pogba is on his way to madrid(maybe) and lingard is screaming "beans" into an iphone. So the argument that so many people seem to disregard is that man utd are supposed to be the biggest club in the world, yet we are repeatedly rewarding a player who doesnt deliver in any way shape or form. To put it into context, lingard is in the same age bracket as lukaku, pogba, salah, firmino, mane, van dijk, de bruyne, kane, son, moura, and eriksen. City are letting Sane go who is younger and better than lingard, yet we hold on to lingard because... I cant think of a reason? He does nothing that we cant replace with someone that does what he does and a lot more.

The most damning thing about lingards quality, is that theres nothing about him in the transfer paper muppetry. Hes a high profile player, yet the daily rags wont even make up nonsense about him because even they think its too unbelievable. Rashford getting 350 grand a week they do. Rashford to real madrid, the do. Lingards gossip is 130 grand a week according to the sun, and no transfer speculation of any kind(unless google is lying to me). Why? Because they know that no one will believe it because no one rates him outside of social media.

Forget all the other nonsense, its all annoying, sure, but its not the reason he should be out the door. He should be out the door because he simply isnt good enough for a squad thats supposed to be aiming to be the best, or at least one of the best. A player like Sane cant get into the city squad, yet lingard sits in a first team list is very damning of us, IMO.

 

[Keefy18]

I look at him in these videos and I genuinely believe he has some form of special needs. It looks like he has ADD or Asperger's syndrome!

 

[Ish]

Not sure why people actively engage with things that make them so angry. I don’t follow any united players on twitter or instagram and I live in blissful ignorance.

Hahaha this. I’m not even on any social media outside of LinkedIn, whatsapp and the caf - not even sure the last 2 count

 

[Fridge chutney]

For me that brings up another question, buts its more a general question of the point of social media and people who follow celebrity staff that pretend to be said celebrity. Does lingard do any of things he posts? Are we hating him, when really we just be hating Jeff the intern? The other issue people had was the image tweeted with his branding all over that that was drawing more attention than the cause he was supposed to be supporting, the victims of the manchester bombing. Again, thats his staff, supposedly. So I guess it comes down to is it him or is it the people he hires, and I guess for many thats still on him because he hired them.

He must have people that inform him of what he should and shouldnt be doing in regards to his brand. Acting as hes does cant be good for his brand, unless being seen as a caricature of the modern footballer is his goal? Lingard is older than pogba, yet pogba is on his way to madrid(maybe) and lingard is screaming "beans" into an iphone. So the argument that so many people seem to disregard is that man utd are supposed to be the biggest club in the world, yet we are repeatedly rewarding a player who doesnt deliver in any way shape or form. To put it into context, lingard is in the same age bracket as lukaku, pogba, salah, firmino, mane, van dijk, de bruyne, kane, son, moura, and eriksen. City are letting Sane go who is younger and better than lingard, yet we hold on to lingard because... I cant think of a reason? He does nothing that we cant replace with someone that does what he does and a lot more.

The most damning thing about lingards quality, is that theres nothing about him in the transfer paper muppetry. Hes a high profile player, yet the daily rags wont even make up nonsense about him because even they think its too unbelievable. Rashford getting 350 grand a week they do. Rashford to real madrid, the do. Lingards gossip is 130 grand a week according to the sun, and no transfer speculation of any kind(unless google is lying to me). Why? Because they know that no one will believe it because no one rates him outside of social media.

Forget all the other nonsense, its all annoying, sure, but its not the reason he should be out the door. He should be out the door because he simply isnt good enough for a squad thats supposed to be aiming to be the best, or at least one of the best. A player like Sane cant get into the city squad, yet lingard sits in a first team list is very damning of us, IMO.

Apart from the third paragraph (which I think is irrelevant and a bit of a strawman), this is a really good post and raises some interesting questions.

Even if Lingard hires a team to do social media, ultimately responsibility for what is posted rolls up to him. He has to be accountable for his brand. So if his team makes a mistake, he should bear responsibility. Which he did when he apologized for the ill-timed tweet. As for who we should hate, him or his staff? No one! People make mistakes. We shouldn't hate them for that. We shouldn't hate them for how they spend their free time, or their personal choices, if those choices don't infringe on other people's freedoms.

It's not Lingard's fault if the United hierarchy is making poor decisions. I think he's a target for a lot of people's frustrations when really it should be the board and Woodward.

Also a quick note on Pogba: he posts absolutely daft and cringeworthy stuff too. But the fact that he's a "star" makes it ok? I think that's a bit hypocritical. I don't think anyone should receive abuse for daft videos or social media posts, unless those videos and posts are offensive or vindictive or made with bad intent.

Lastly, on lingard the player: I think Lingard should stay and be a utility player. He can be effective. All coaches seem to have rated him. But if he is a starter, that's a choice made by management. I don't think he should get personal abuse for those choices. My personal opinion is that we should improve on several key positions, including Lingard. But I won't hate him if we don't.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Apart from the third paragraph (which I think is irrelevant and a bit of a strawman), this is a really good post and raises some interesting questions.

Even if Lingard hires a team to do social media, ultimately responsibility for what is posted rolls up to him. He has to be accountable for his brand. So if his team makes a mistake, he should bear responsibility. Which he did when he apologized for the ill-timed tweet. As for who we should hate, him or his staff? No one! People make mistakes. We shouldn't hate them for that. We shouldn't hate them for how they spend their free time, or their personal choices, if those choices don't infringe on other people's freedoms.

It's not Lingard's fault if the United hierarchy is making poor decisions. I think he's a target for a lot of people's frustrations when really it should be the board and Woodward.

Also a quick note on Pogba: he posts absolutely daft and cringeworthy stuff too. But the fact that he's a "star" makes it ok? I think that's a bit hypocritical. I don't think anyone should receive abuse for daft videos or social media posts, unless those videos and posts are offensive or vindictive or made with bad intent.

Lastly, on lingard the player: I think Lingard should stay and be a utility player. He can be effective. All coaches seem to have rated him. But if he is a starter, that's a choice made by management. I don't think he should get personal abuse for those choices. My personal opinion is that we should improve on several key positions, including Lingard. But I won't hate him if we don't.

Strawman is a bit harsh, Its just an observation on the trend of what quality players find said about themselves on the back pages of the metro and the like. Theres big money moves away for almost everyone, yet I cant think of a single one about lingard. I even googled it and all that came back was "fans react to...whatever shit he did this week".

People hate. They just do. They see things, they roll their eyes. Its the way we are. I dont walk down dark alleys at night, I should be able to, but I dont. Because I know what the statistics say about getting mugged down dark alleys at night. In that same regard posting on social media is a crap shoot for the response you'll get. Lingard must know this, and so he takes the responsibility to accept the consequences of that choice. Does he deserve abuse? I suppose that depends on what level of abuse we are talking about. Everyone gets the piss taken out of them for doing stupid stuff. Some people are more colourful in their approach to taking the piss. Should he get threats of violence or bigoted abuse? Certainly not. Theres no excuse for that. Id also make the argument that social media is by its very nature there to get a response. Good or bad, its what you wanted.

I agree 1000% that the pressure on the quality of the players should be aimed at the board. As you say, its not lingards fault he has idiots throwing money at him. We should all be so lucky. But I think its important to remember that players and the manager are the first point of contact with the fan base. They are bound to get the brunt of any criticism, not unlike Jose took all the blame for last season. For anyone with even a passing bit of impartiality its clear that last season wasnt just Jose, and was a great many factors both on the pitch and behind the scenes.

Pogba, does get quite a lot of stick for his social media. Not as much now as he used to. His performances are where the spotlight shines on pogba, as we know hes a great player. Hes just not showing it, at least not enough. Hes one of the players players of the year with out really making an effort. Imagine if he made an effort every week? Lingard, we all know hes not up to much and so the main focus on him is his social media stuff.

The one thing that is true above all else is that if they were performing no one would care. Lingard could post whatever garbage he wants and we would all sing his praises come game day. Same goes for pogba or anyone else. They put in a shift for 90 minutes they can get away with absolute murder. Or even just shagging their brothers wife. So I guess the only difference of opinion that matters between us is that I dont rate him at all, and you see him as being able to be a squad player. The problem we both have is that hes a first on the team sheet player and theres nothing we can do about it.

 

[Kostur]

I'm a year younger than Lingard and I genuinely cannot imagine anybody his or my age who would find his shit either normal or funny. I don't follow neither his instagram, facebook, twitter or any other social media but this cringe shit is spreading like a virus throughout any other feed I have.

 

[AJ10]

Sad thing is he'll still be here if he has another season like last one.

Our club has awarded mediocrity far too long.

 

[Keefy18]

I agree 1000% that the pressure on the quality of the players should be aimed at the board. As you say, its not lingards fault he has idiots throwing money at him. We should all be so lucky. But I think its important to remember that players and the manager are the first point of contact with the fan base. They are bound to get the brunt of any criticism, not unlike Jose took all the blame for last season. For anyone with even a passing bit of impartiality its clear that last season wasnt just Jose, and was a great many factors both on the pitch and behind the scenes.

How is it the boards fault he acts like a knob on his personal social media? Its his free time, he acts how he does because its his own choice! It has feck all to do with the United board.

If anything its on the manager to have a word with them and say something. I mean isn't this exactly what Ferguson did for so many of the younger players he brought along? Giggs, Sharpe, Beckham, Rio, Rooney? Don't ever recall CEO's or members of the board doing similar.

 

[King_Cantona07]

Just sell this guy, cant stand his antics while being an average player

 

[Reddy Rederson]

How is it the boards fault he acts like a knob on his personal social media? Its his free time, he acts how he does because its his own choice! It has feck all to do with the United board.

If anything its on the manager to have a word with them and say something. I mean isn't this exactly what Ferguson did for so many of the younger players he brought along? Giggs, Sharpe, Beckham, Rio, Rooney? Don't ever recall CEO's or members of the board doing similar.

It’s not. It’s the boards fault for keeping him employed. As I made quite clear in the post.

I think you need to read my whole post, and not just the part that triggered you. I don’t really care that he’s knob, as per my post. I care that he’s shit, as per my post.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

I can't stand him. One of my least favourite united personslities in my lifetime. Probably the least actually. Immature little idiot and a bang average squad player at best,who acts like a world beater off the pitch.

 

[Erics_Collar]

Anyone who thinks he's going anywhere is deluded.

He's a corporate darling at Old Trafford. Clever really. He'll put his face on any of our corporate sponsors' products, he'll sell any of our own products too. Gets involved in any PR or community outreach programs. Has the added appeal of being an academy graduate, he "gets" the club, he's big into social media and down with the kids, he's an England international and will always be on a modest wage compared to the Sanchez and Pogbas of the squad, and has aligned himself with the great hope that is Marcus Rashford.

He's untouchable really.

 

[VorZakone]

Anyone who thinks he's going anywhere is deluded.

He's a corporate darling at Old Trafford. Clever really. He'll put his face on any of our corporate sponsors' products, he'll sell any of our own products too. Gets involved in any PR or community outreach programs. Has the added appeal of being an academy graduate, he "gets" the club, he's big into social media and down with the kids, he's an England international and will always be on a modest wage compared to the Sanchez and Pogbas of the squad, and has aligned himself with the great hope that is Marcus Rashford.

He's untouchable really.

When you write it down like that...I can't disagree.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

I think he knows exactly what he is doing, he is using the hatred to his advantage. Not as dumb as we thought

 

[luke511]

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Nobody can say he hasn't been a bad influence on Rashford. He's turned Rashford into as big a goon as him.

 

[Prodigy24]

I'll always have a soft spot for him for that winner in the FA Cup final. However, you'd think that these players would tone it down during the summer considering the brutal season that we had. Sure, act like a clown, but at least win something so that you can avoid looking like an idiot. Showing 0 maturity despite being 26 years old. Not sure where we are going with these type of personalities in our club.

 

[Suedesi]

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[Suedesi]

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Can't stand this manchild - fecking sell this loser.

 

[Bwuk]

Always find it funny people being triggered by him having fun with his social media accounts. Or blaming Rashfords behaviour on him. Rashford has a mind of his own. I bet he’s actually a good person to have in the dressing room, as England always have him involved despite having better options.

I don’t find him funny - but that’s not important it’s what he does on the pitch that counts. Sadly he’s not good enough, but I’m fed up reading people with thousands of posts on a online forum moan about how someone acts online. Get a life.

 

[shaky]

Always find it funny people being triggered by him having fun with his social media accounts. Or blaming Rashfords behaviour on him. Rashford has a mind of his own. I bet he’s actually a good person to have in the dressing room, as England always have him involved despite having better options.

I don’t find him funny - but that’s not important it’s what he does on the pitch that counts. Sadly he’s not good enough, but I’m fed up reading people with thousands of posts on a online forum moan about how someone acts online. Get a life.

Indeed. Imagine moaning about how other people act online. Really grind my gears.
Hang on...

 

[Bwuk]

Indeed. Imagine moaning about how other people act online. Really grind my gears.
Hang on...

I get your point - but the stuff about Lingard is embarrassing. It’s bordering on cyber bullying the shite he’ll see on his twitter feed.

 

[The Nani]

Until we get rid of him and a handful of others tossers I’m just gonna root for Villa I think.

And that Japanese club of course.

 

[Code-CX]

What he does on social media/in his private life is up to him and shouldn't merit any of the grievances people have. With that being said, he’s absolutely atrocious at this football stuff and I can’t wait for the day he’s no longer part of this club.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

If you ever look closer at social media in regard to Lingard (particularly Instagram), you'll see that he is pretty much worshipped by fan pages ran by pre-teen girls. He can't do anything wrong in their eyes and is literally viewed as this 'Messi Lingard' God like figure.

He's essentially one of those talent-less lads from the latest boy band who has a huge following and is just exploiting it. His popularity clearly has nothing to do with his football ability. All he does is dance, Tweet and be invisible for 90 minutes a week.

Pogba is one problem, but Lingard is just as big an issue considering he will be almost impossible to get rid of any time soon.

 

[AdNani]

Some of the hate him and Rashford are getting is absolutely disgusting, yeah sure we’ve had a bad season and Lingard isn’t good enough to be a starter here but feck sake man people need there heads checked if a 26 year old guy enjoying life gets them this wound up.

People saying him singing and dancing reflects badly on the club so we should sell him, you do realise you support the club who stood by a man who assaulted a fan ffs, and stood by a defender who missed a fecking drugs test, or does it not matter because they happen to be very good players?

 

[clarkydaz]

What he does on social media/in his private life is up to him and shouldn't merit any of the grievances people have. With that being said, he’s absolutely atrocious at this football stuff and I can’t wait for the day he’s no longer part of this club.

Not really when he uses the club to sell his brand. And if you are high profile posting stuff on Social media, you are asking for scrutiny. Especially if you are deemed below standard. If he had sense he wouldnt antagonise, but he is a court jester by nature

 

[jem]

When people make homophobic remarks towards Lingard, call him a cnut, declare hatred towards the player, all prefaced on his daft social media account, it's not Lingard who has the problem.

I certainly agree with you on that.

 

[GifLord]

When people make homophobic remarks towards Lingard, call him a cnut, declare hatred towards the player, all prefaced on his daft social media account, it's not Lingard who has the problem.

That's the icing on cake after the horrible season he's had. I mean if you were that shit at your work you'd probably be fined or even worse fired. At Utd they reward this sort of thing with a new lucrative contract.

 

[redcafe_reader]

He consistently puts in a garbage amount of effort and produces absolutely noting to earn what he is flaunting. That’s why he gets immense criticism.

I want him to be sold but surely the criticism should be directed at the board and Ole?

Ole keep playing him and I have a feeling he will still be a vital part of our squad next season.
Our board gave him a new contract with a first teamer salary.

 

[crossy1686]

I want him to be sold but surely the criticism should be directed at the board and Ole?

Ole keep playing him and I have a feeling he will still be a vital part of our squad next season.
Our board gave him a new contract with a first teamer salary.

Still? He never has been and never will be. Have you seen his career stats?

 

[redcafe_reader]

Still? He never has been and never will be. Have you seen his career stats?

Ole keep playing him and I have a feeling he will keep on doing so next season.

 

[crossy1686]

Ole keep playing him and I have a feeling he will keep on doing so next season.

He has 13 career assists, what exactly is he going to keep on doing? What has he actually done so far?

 

[Kostov]

Some of the hate him and Rashford are getting is absolutely disgusting, yeah sure we’ve had a bad season and Lingard isn’t good enough to be a starter here but feck sake man people need there heads checked if a 26 year old guy enjoying life gets them this wound up.

People saying him singing and dancing reflects badly on the club so we should sell him, you do realise you support the club who stood by a man who assaulted a fan ffs, and stood by a defender who missed a fecking drugs test, or does it not matter because they happen to be very good players?

Since we are supporting a football club, yeah that fecking helps a bit don't you think?