And he saves it
CA 2019 - Final - Brazil vs Peru
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Pen incident - Armani saves it
Argentina are such an absurd team. A few finals papered over the cracks. Look at that challenge. Everyone goes mental playing for them. They're the international version of us but worse.
They do have Messi.
They've been better than us post SAF.
Though the comparison is definitely apt.
Argies can't even dive convincingly these days
Ref whistled to end the game before realizing there were still two minutes left and restarting play 
This is a farce
This is a farce
I can't believe how bad Aguero is for Argentina.
He is like a mascot out there.
He is like a mascot out there.
People will blame Messi for this but this team has no midfield whatsoever
So Colombia have already won the group and get a nice rest in the third game. Odds looking good for them.
They have no shape, most of the time you look at how players are positioned and it's hard to believe they are professional footballers at all.
Qatar knocking Argentina out of the Copa America would be up there as one of the most hilarious results in football history
So sad to watch this team. No solutions in sight.
On paper yes, on the pitch Argentina beating Qatar would be an upset at this point.
This might be the worst Argie team in history
Don't know about worst, certainly the most embarassing one though.
Don't worry, if they don't win it this year or next year they'll find a few reasons to create a few extra Copa Americas in the near future.
How many teams go through then?
At this point canceling all future copas would be doing Argentina a favor
8 for the QF
OK. The top 2 in each group together with the two best third placed finishers.
Exactly
just when you think Argies couldn't be worse than they were in last world cup, they prove you wrong. it's like a nightmare they can't wake up from. they sack Bauza because he couldn't manage them, players turn against Sampa as well and now they basically don't even have a manager. what happened with Domenech and France at the time was rather embarrasing, but at least that happened once and ended as he was sacked. but this is something else. I mean, at almost every tournament I watch Argentina there's something happening behind the scenes with them.
a team that was invited and don't even belong to this continent is performing better than them. you can't make that up. and what's worse, this should have been the easiest game for them to bounce back. when you put certain things in perspective, they actually might be the worst NT I've ever watched. I watched my country played against the likes of San Marino and Andora, but at least you understand why those countries can't score or defend and why they suck at football in general. what Argentina is doing at the moment is something special.
they actually look like they don't even have training sessions between the games. their best players are all nearing 32 yet they play like they see each other for the first time. literally every player is playing shit, even the ones you know they're world class. I've never seen something like that before. I mean, what do you even say to players before the match? which instructions can you possibly give them to make them play so bad? how is that even possible?
a team that was invited and don't even belong to this continent is performing better than them. you can't make that up. and what's worse, this should have been the easiest game for them to bounce back. when you put certain things in perspective, they actually might be the worst NT I've ever watched. I watched my country played against the likes of San Marino and Andora, but at least you understand why those countries can't score or defend and why they suck at football in general. what Argentina is doing at the moment is something special.
they actually look like they don't even have training sessions between the games. their best players are all nearing 32 yet they play like they see each other for the first time. literally every player is playing shit, even the ones you know they're world class. I've never seen something like that before. I mean, what do you even say to players before the match? which instructions can you possibly give them to make them play so bad? how is that even possible?
There is hardly any difference between that penalty save and the one Scotland saved last night. Unreal.
Their striker is going nowhere with the ball, why would Otamendi lunge there ? I don't understand him as a player, always ready to throw himself on the ground. No defensive intelligence whatsoever
Same mold as Rojo. Something very strange about their defending, even when they are in position they always try to floor the other players.
They're like the England "golden generation" was.
I really am puzzled by this
Lunging like that should a defender's last resort.Ignoring the manager situation and poor as a team argument for a moment, Argentina simply have a weak squad bar a few players. Even the top players like Di Maria and Aguero have regularly not delivered for their country. The likes of Lo Celso and Paredes are also extremely overrated.
How many of the top countries have a weaker starting 11 than Argentina? Not many, if any! That's before the serious lack in depth.
Mentioned in the OP that this squad would struggle in the group stages and they have!
Stand by what I said recently, Argentina's three star players in Di Maria, Aguero and Messi and superior to Falcao, James and Cuadrado on paper but the starting 11 as a whole is not stronger whilst Colombia are a far superior unit.
How many of the top countries have a weaker starting 11 than Argentina? Not many, if any! That's before the serious lack in depth.
Mentioned in the OP that this squad would struggle in the group stages and they have!
Stand by what I said recently, Argentina's three star players in Di Maria, Aguero and Messi and superior to Falcao, James and Cuadrado on paper but the starting 11 as a whole is not stronger whilst Colombia are a far superior unit.
I disagree with this really. You are obviously correct that Colombia are a far superior unit though. This is only ever really said after they struggle to perform for the national side and people look to play down the level of their players. Lo Celso is a good player and is still young. Paredes is probably overrated but he is by no means a poor player. Otamendi is a Prem winner, most countries would happily take him. Taglaficao (who I don't really rate to be honest) is a CL Semi Finalist. Colombia's full backs against Argentina both play in Mexico. The standard there is nowhere near Europe's top leagues. Barrios is playing in Russia and and Uribe is in Mexico as well. There's no way that Colombia are better than Argentina player for player. On paper they've got a better keeper basically. Centre backs is probably similar albeit I haven't seen much of Pezzella so Colombia might have the edge there.
I think to argue it is a weak squad is wrong. The back ups might not be of the best quality bar the attacking positions but in terms of a starting XI it's a decent side based on quality alone.
On talent alone it's top 10, maybe even top 5 at a push. Belgium, France, Brazil, Spain, Portugal and maybe Germany. Some will put England in as well I guess.
we're well past the point comparing Argentina with top countries. they really aren't close to France, Germany or Spain, that much is obvious, but there's really no reason for them to be where they are atm. for example, Portugal and England also have two or three trully world class players, but they're well drilled teams and are doing the basics right unlike Argentina, but that's where continuity and good coach helps while Argentina have different manager every year and now they're literally nowhere, without identity and without manager.
I mean, you have tough to break teams that struggle with scoring (Uruguay) and you also have teams that can play good football but can be rather vulnerable in defence (Belgium, Croatia), but current Argentina can't score and can't defend desptie having some good names on both ends. they look like they aren't coached at all and that's their main problem. in most of their tougher matches lately they were destroyed as they were some small country from Africa. 4 goals vs France, 3 vs Croatia before that, 6 vs Spain and 4 vs Nigeria (with only Messi missing) etc. only a fool would think those team are that stronger then Argentina. those kind of losses happen simply because someone is doing a really shit job at managing them.
If you can't beat France or Spain, fine. most people would agree anyway that they're behind them quality wise. but if you can't beat Croatia or Colombia, then it's all on manager. Argentina have the players to put much more of a fight against such opponents, but they're simply terribly managed.
I mean, you have tough to break teams that struggle with scoring (Uruguay) and you also have teams that can play good football but can be rather vulnerable in defence (Belgium, Croatia), but current Argentina can't score and can't defend desptie having some good names on both ends. they look like they aren't coached at all and that's their main problem. in most of their tougher matches lately they were destroyed as they were some small country from Africa. 4 goals vs France, 3 vs Croatia before that, 6 vs Spain and 4 vs Nigeria (with only Messi missing) etc. only a fool would think those team are that stronger then Argentina. those kind of losses happen simply because someone is doing a really shit job at managing them.
If you can't beat France or Spain, fine. most people would agree anyway that they're behind them quality wise. but if you can't beat Croatia or Colombia, then it's all on manager. Argentina have the players to put much more of a fight against such opponents, but they're simply terribly managed.
Barely beat Nigeria too
that too. I mean, you can be good or bad at attacking, you can be good or bad at defending, you can also be typical flat track bully team like PSG, or whatever... but Argentina isn't even that as they don't even destroy those lesser nations. they literally struggle with every aspect of game and that is only down to management. you simply can't be bad at everything. if you are, that is manager's fault only.
Is there still a chance Argentina can get out of the group without help from Columbia ?
Third place goes through too, they'll make it to the knockouts if they beat Qatar.
Depends on Japan and Ecuador. Honestly even 3 points might be enough
Btw why do people keep mentioning Spain as a top NT
Btw why do people keep mentioning Spain as a top NT
What argument is there against them being a top NT? They're ushering in a new gen but they're still very much a top side. One poor World Cup doesn't change that. They've lost to England and Croatia recently but also beat both as well.Depends on Japan and Ecuador. Honestly even 3 points might be enough
Btw why do people keep mentioning Spain as a top NT
well, if they aren't, who is? I'd say France is the best atm followed by Spain and Germany, and sligthly behind those two I'd put England, Portugal, Belgium and Holland. of course, unless your definition of top NT is the one who is a current world cup champion.Btw why do people keep mentioning Spain as a top NT
Paredes was playing in Russia until this year and not looked great at PSG.
Mina > Pezzella
Sanchez = Otamendi
Ospina > Armani
Medina > Saravia
Barrios > Rodriquez
Even though Lo Celso is rated highly he's not shown more at a top level when compared to Muriel.
I stand by that when 5 players are individually stronger when comparing both 11s then Argentina are not stronger. The starting 11 had 4 players nowhere near good enough at this level IMO.
Argentina are not close to those 6 and I would say England, Croatia, Italy, Holland, Uruguay and Colombia have as strong 11s when comparing individual positions.
How exactly can you have them over England? Their last 3 tournaments were an embarassing group elimination, a dismantling at the hands of the least talented italian side ever in the R16(after getting beaten black and blue by Croatia in the group) and an embarassing R16 elimination against Russia(after struggling badly against iran and morocco). In the nations league they finished behind England. Their best player currently, in fact their only player who can be considered great at this point in time is Sergio Ramos. They're striker situation is as bad as Italy or Netherland, and they don't even have great midfielders anymore. There is absolutely zero reason to rate them above Belgium, Germany, England and Portugal, and at this point even Netherlands.
France and Brazil are the two top NT sides. The rest go from pretty good down
Well in Brazil VDB had a nightmare and his team selections in both games were horrific. Manager situation just prior to 2018 clearly had an impact.
Being harsh on Italy here, topped a group with everyones faves Belgium and went out in the QFs on pens to Germany. Spain deserved something from that Croatia game and the late goal cost them an easy passage to the final.
We were a decent team thanks to a truly great coach, but we had nothing in terms of top end talent. Pellè-Eder were our strikers, with freaking Parolo and Giaccherini in midfield.
The fact remains that to consider Spain above the likes of England(more talented, did better in the nations league), Portugal(same story), Netherlands(maybe not more talented overall but with more top end talent and less limitations), Belgium(just plain better all around) is based on nothing beyond underserved hype and the memory of Xavi and Iniesta, who are no longer there. Damn, take a look at the 2012 side. The worst player in that side's starting XI was a 25 year old Cesc. He'd be the star of the team by a mile right now
Tbf Spain had Morata, Aduirz, Nolito and Lucas. Not much better.
Spain are nowhere near the side they were I agree but they could put out an 11 of this;
De Gea, Carvajal, Ramos, Martinez, Alba, Busquets, Saul, Thiago, Isco, Pedro/Paco, and Asensio
Imo that's nearly as strong as any other side on paper.