Going back to what you said here... I talked about this point you made with a good friend of mine who watched the show as it was broadcast and we both think you might be onto something.Perhaps binging it the way you did might have contributed to your thinking.
I think it may play a part. My cousin did what you did and binged it all over the span of several weeks. He wasn't bothered at all by what I perceived as a fairly obvious dropoff in quality.Going back to what you said here... I talked about this point you made with a good friend of mine who watched the show as it was broadcast and we both think you might be onto something.
When watching it all at once, that could have an different effect on creating notions of what you want to see happen vs. taking what happens as it comes.
I watched it in between practices and grad school class and homework, so I really didn’t spend much time thinking about what I wanted to see come out of it and just focused my attention on what the writers gave me as I watched it.
Seamlessly passing from one season to another as if it is just the next episode could play a role there.I think it may play a part. My cousin did what you did and binged it all over the span of several weeks. He wasn't bothered at all by what I perceived as a fairly obvious dropoff in quality.
maybe the bureaucracy happened off screen, tyrion creating a hellish means tested system for the dothraki to get their booze and whoring money and d&d just kinda forgot to put it in the show and that qualified him to make a mercenary master of coin
It’s even more funny when you consider that Tyrion was master of coin at one point, which is another clearly bureaucratic position.
it's even more funny when your clever boy spent that week as master of coin learning his mercenary doesn't know how interest works and makes him master of coin anyway, salon really nailed it, the problem wasn't his cringe dialogue, his character becoming one dimensional or even him suddenly becoming stupid, he was clearly in the wrong job under daenerys, he should have been her HR manager and in charge of hiresIt’s even more funny when you consider that Tyrion was master of coin at one point, which is another clearly bureaucratic position.
I only saw that quote very recently. I fear I may have gone too easy on DD.Themes are for 6th grade book report.
yes well done post a slightly offensive meme because you refuse to admit you're chatting complete shit
You've been consistently the best poster in this thread.
the best part about that quote is that they met on a post graduate literature course where they would have been talking about themes all the timeI only saw that quote very recently. I fear I may have gone too easy on DD.
I can laugh at it though, because I'm not a Star Wars fan. If I heard these guys were put in charge of a thing that I cared about it would genuinely make me sad.
Chatting shit?yes well done post a slightly offensive meme because you refuse to admit you're chatting complete shit
Chatting shit?
Like saying there is no bureaucracy in GOT then incessantly posting that a character in GOT is a poor bureaucrat?
Is that an example?
which part of deanerys armies had even a semblance of beurocrasy, what did tyrion do that showed he was in any way involved in this? throughout the show the hand tells the other members of the council what to do and they do it, that's how ned did it, how tywin did, tyrion even as joffreys hand had other people do these things for him and during his first stint he had to get bailed out by daddy, during his second stint he fecked it up completely
so, what bureaucrat things did he do during seasons 5-8 that showed competence? he wasn't involved in the running of the unsullied, he wasn't involved in the running of the dothraki, he advised the queen to do shit battle tactics and get lose
even when he was in myreen he almost lost the city because he was shit and had to get bailed out by dragons
just awful
i'm only going on what i saw on the show, and what i saw was the hands of the kings and queens acting as advisors and tyrion was by a significant distance the one who most deserved the noose
he wasn't a bureaucrat, there was no fecking bureaucracy
Tyrion’s character arc always had him as a misunderstood, angsty genius who finally finds his niche. The death of his lover and father also brings about the death of the foolish part of his nature, which was gradually happening anyway.
He was a bureaucrat throughout the show.this was your claim, that tyrion found his niche in the latter seasons
and your reasoning was things he did in the earlier reasons
are you one of d&d?
yeah in danys armies, there wasn't, there was the unsullied and the dothraki, they were both run by generals and there was no bureaucracy - the armies did what daenerys asked the generals to do, not through bureaucratic means, but through militant organisation, they weren't filing papers and shit, they weren't organising through civilian means, they didn't have masters of coins paying them, they invaded cities they were aked to by the queen not the hand
He was a bureaucrat throughout the show.
He was even a bureaucrat from before the show’s timeline, as stated to Varys...
You quite simply apparently don’t know what the hell a bureaucrat’s job is.
Like when Tyrion is the head administrator left by Dany to govern Mereen?we're talking about season 5-8 here
Going back to what you said here... I talked about this point you made with a good friend of mine who watched the show as it was broadcast and we both think you might be onto something.
When watching it all at once, that could have an different effect on creating notions of what you want to see happen vs. taking what happens as it comes.
Yep. Agreed.I watched it all in one go from start to finish and don't get the fuss about the ending either. I mean, there were obviously individual scenes which showed the writing had headed a bit south such as a convict choosing the next king but I enjoyed the last few series and felt it wrapped it up fine.
I imagine waiting months / years between series probably builds expectations with time to think and discuss what could happen.
Like when Tyrion is the head administer left by Dany to govern Mereen?
the closest tyrion got to bureaucracy was when he ran meereen and he was awful at it
was he? the city was nearly lost because he sucks at his job and:The government he sets up along with Varys, Grey Worm, and Missandei... that’s bureaucracy. And he was good at the peacetime aspect of it. That’s his niche, as was shown throughout. He’s great at the peacetime administrative work necessary for government.
if you can only keep the peace for a month, you're not doing a good jobeven when he was in myreen he almost lost the city because he was shit and had to get bailed out by dragons
can you please provide an example of him being good at peacetime statecraft? Maybe he appointed a second master of coin who knows how interest works?He’s poor at wartime statecraft. That’s not his niche.
it would be an easier conversation if you could readNot a difficult concept if you’re actually able to have a normal conversation...
Case in point.it would be an easier conversation if you could read
in the future instead of writing i'll post shitty memes and ask the other person if they're okay when they point out i'm chatting shit, that's the real adult way, thanks teechCase in point.
Some folks just enjoy having a casual conversation about a tv show. Who knew?in the future instead of writing i'll post shitty memes and ask the other person if they're okay when they point out i'm chatting shit, that's the real adult way, thanks teech
maybe tyrions growth into a competent peacetime bureaucrat was when he appointed Sam Tarly as grand maester despite better qualified surviving mastears having already been on the show. His knowledge of an extremely rare illness and a now extinct threat will surely make him the best doctor the king can have.Some folks just enjoy having a casual conversation about a tv show. Who knew?
It’s an excellent small council, when you realize the point of it.maybe tyrions growth into a competent peacetime bureaucrat was when he appointed Sam Tarly as grand maester despite better qualified surviving mastears having already been on the show. His knowledge of an extremely rare illness and a now extinct threat will surely make him the best doctor the king can have.
they really nailed this character transformation, all his decisions after the wars were bang on
From your perspective, what were you hoping for and where did it fall short?Season 8 was a steaming pile of dung.
It’s an excellent small council, when you realize the point of it.
It is full of people who had to make their own way in life rather than have it handed to them. They will now be the ones deciding the fate of Westeros instead of the ego driven first sons who have a rather poor track record of running the government. It’s the “breaking of the wheel” realized.
It to not be shitwhat were you hoping for
Everywherewhere did it fall short?
Righto thenIt to not be shit
Everywhere