the show finished with a traitor choosing the next monarch it might be the single stupidest thing anyone has ever written
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
yo i'm still waiting for any justification for this what did ya boy do that wasn't thick as shit in season 5-8
bonus points if you want to explain how the bureaucracy in daenerys armies was structured
And I’m waiting for you to learn what a bureaucrat even is.
Looks like we are at an impasse.
bureaucracy:
noun. a person who like bad TV shows
just one, what bureaucratic things did he do for her? Did he make rules? Decisions? Did he run the armies? Did he run the civil service? Economy? Was he a health and safety officer?
the closest tyrion got to bureaucracy was when he ran meereen and he was awful at it
This thread has certainly come alive today! 
in the tv show tyrion's role is be the softener to deanerys battle tactics of burning shit killing feckers, he was hired because he has extensive experience and knowledge of the land she wants to conquer and wants his advice
he doesn't do this through bureaucratic means, he doesn't set battle rules, he doesn't create filing systems for the soldiers and he doesn't get involved in the training or the logistics of running the armies
he does have badly written conversations with daenerys where he asks her to do x or y, and every time she listens to him things go to utter shit, they lose ground, they lose battles and they lose men, you know, like shit advisors who need to be hanged do
in the show there are several types of hands shown off the top of my head:
Ned Stark, who acted as king due to the absolute boy Bobby B's lazyness
Davos Seaworth, who acted as an ambasador and advisor to Stannis
Tywin Lanister, who acted as general of the armies and turned the actual king into a puppet
Tyrion Lanister, who acted as pupeteer in Tywins stead and who acted as an advisor to Daenerys
in the books the role derives from OG's bestie, ya boy just needed a shoulder to cry on
but it's okay because our resident teacher knows all about the Mandarin bureaucracy and the source text having zero examples of tyrion being a bureaucrat, let alone a competent bureaucrat, doesn't matter
he doesn't do this through bureaucratic means, he doesn't set battle rules, he doesn't create filing systems for the soldiers and he doesn't get involved in the training or the logistics of running the armies
he does have badly written conversations with daenerys where he asks her to do x or y, and every time she listens to him things go to utter shit, they lose ground, they lose battles and they lose men, you know, like shit advisors who need to be hanged do
in the show there are several types of hands shown off the top of my head:
Ned Stark, who acted as king due to the absolute boy Bobby B's lazyness
Davos Seaworth, who acted as an ambasador and advisor to Stannis
Tywin Lanister, who acted as general of the armies and turned the actual king into a puppet
Tyrion Lanister, who acted as pupeteer in Tywins stead and who acted as an advisor to Daenerys
in the books the role derives from OG's bestie, ya boy just needed a shoulder to cry on
but it's okay because our resident teacher knows all about the Mandarin bureaucracy and the source text having zero examples of tyrion being a bureaucrat, let alone a competent bureaucrat, doesn't matter
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Going back to what you said here... I talked about this point you made with a good friend of mine who watched the show as it was broadcast and we both think you might be onto something.
When watching it all at once, that could have an different effect on creating notions of what you want to see happen vs. taking what happens as it comes.
I watched it in between practices and grad school class and homework, so I really didn’t spend much time thinking about what I wanted to see come out of it and just focused my attention on what the writers gave me as I watched it.
I think it may play a part. My cousin did what you did and binged it all over the span of several weeks. He wasn't bothered at all by what I perceived as a fairly obvious dropoff in quality.
Seamlessly passing from one season to another as if it is just the next episode could play a role there.
I’d pick up on something like s4e8 then watch to s5e2 and stuff like that.
The seasons run together and it’s just one big 73 episode show.
maybe the bureaucracy happened off screen, tyrion creating a hellish means tested system for the dothraki to get their booze and whoring money and d&d just kinda forgot to put it in the show and that qualified him to make a mercenary master of coin
fans: the writing went to shit when d&d ran out of source material because they're not good at writing characters and dialogue to the same standard as the source text
salon: actually game of thrones is in a literary style so it makes sense
fecks sake
if they wanted to show the different characters it takes to win wars and run countries don't do it so badly, tyrion in the battle against stannis even where he almost lost did it in a tyrtionesque bold and ambitious manner, rather than the dulled figure we saw in later seasons
that this was meant to be tyrions story originally is only more condemnation of d&d, they took what was meant to be a show of different competences and turned into a man just becoming stupid
salon: actually game of thrones is in a literary style so it makes sense
fecks sake
if they wanted to show the different characters it takes to win wars and run countries don't do it so badly, tyrion in the battle against stannis even where he almost lost did it in a tyrtionesque bold and ambitious manner, rather than the dulled figure we saw in later seasons
that this was meant to be tyrions story originally is only more condemnation of d&d, they took what was meant to be a show of different competences and turned into a man just becoming stupid
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It’s even more funny when you consider that Tyrion was master of coin at one point, which is another clearly bureaucratic position.
it's even more funny when your clever boy spent that week as master of coin learning his mercenary doesn't know how interest works and makes him master of coin anyway, salon really nailed it, the problem wasn't his cringe dialogue, his character becoming one dimensional or even him suddenly becoming stupid, he was clearly in the wrong job under daenerys, he should have been her HR manager and in charge of hires
absolute genius at the non-war side of things
how is anyone meant to compete with this level of bureaucratic competence
it's mind blowing someone this clever and with such great judgement in the latter seasons didn't become king himself
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I only saw that quote very recently. I fear I may have gone too easy on DD.
I can laugh at it though, because I'm not a Star Wars fan. If I heard these guys were put in charge of a thing that I cared about it would genuinely make me sad.
yes well done post a slightly offensive meme because you refuse to admit you're chatting complete shit
You've been consistently the best poster in this thread.
Appreciate it you crazy.
the best part about that quote is that they met on a post graduate literature course where they would have been talking about themes all the time
Chatting shit?
Like saying there is no bureaucracy in GOT then incessantly posting that a character in GOT is a poor bureaucrat?
Is that an example?
seriously were we watching the same show? tyrions role with blonde bae wad shit all to do with bureaucracy and i'm still waiting for an example of his work that shows the growth you claimed
this was your claim, that tyrion found his niche in the latter seasons
and your reasoning was things he did in the earlier reasons
are you one of d&d?
He was a bureaucrat throughout the show.
He was even a bureaucrat from before the show’s timeline, as stated to Varys...
You quite simply apparently don’t know what the hell a bureaucrat’s job is.
yeah in danys armies, there wasn't, there was the unsullied and the dothraki, they were both run by generals and there was no bureaucracy - the armies did what daenerys asked the generals to do, not through bureaucratic means, but through militant organisation, they weren't filing papers and shit, they weren't organising through civilian means, they didn't have masters of coins paying them, they invaded cities they were aked to by the queen not the hand
we're talking about season 5-8 here, when d&d kinda forgot to write half the story, they didn't show any civilians control, tyrion didn't do shit and didn't have the growth you claim
if there was a bureaucracy in her armies i'd love to hear about it in detail, how it manifested in the show, what tyrions role was and how this makes him a candidate for anything but the noose
yes good job another thing from the early seasons which were good and no one is talking to you about because we don't have an issue with it
fecking hell dude
i really don't know how many times i have type the words seasons 5-8 before you understand that i'm talking about seasons 5-8
seasons 5-8
do you need any more help?
seasons 5-8
do you need any more help?
Like when Tyrion is the head administrator left by Dany to govern Mereen?
The government he sets up along with Varys, Grey Worm, and Missandei... that’s bureaucracy. And he was good at the peacetime aspect of it. That’s his niche, as was shown throughout. He’s great at the peacetime administrative work necessary for government.
He’s poor at wartime statecraft. That’s not his niche.
Not a difficult concept if you’re actually able to have a normal conversation...
I watched it all in one go from start to finish and don't get the fuss about the ending either. I mean, there were obviously individual scenes which showed the writing had headed a bit south such as a convict choosing the next king but I enjoyed the last few series and felt it wrapped it up fine.
I imagine waiting months / years between series probably builds expectations with time to think and discuss what could happen.
Yep. Agreed.
was he? the city was nearly lost because he sucks at his job and:
if you can only keep the peace for a month, you're not doing a good job
can you please provide an example of him being good at peacetime statecraft? Maybe he appointed a second master of coin who knows how interest works?
it would be an easier conversation if you could read
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Case in point.
in the future instead of writing i'll post shitty memes and ask the other person if they're okay when they point out i'm chatting shit, that's the real adult way, thanks teech
Some folks just enjoy having a casual conversation about a tv show. Who knew?
maybe tyrions growth into a competent peacetime bureaucrat was when he appointed Sam Tarly as grand maester despite better qualified surviving mastears having already been on the show. His knowledge of an extremely rare illness and a now extinct threat will surely make him the best doctor the king can have.
they really nailed this character transformation, all his decisions after the wars were bang on
Season 8 was a steaming pile of dung.