It’s an excellent small council, when you realize the point of it.
From your perspective, what were you hoping for and where did it fall short?
Righto then
Funny thing is I did the exact same thing as you. Hadn't watched it until about last month and binged watched it across about a week.
We’ve got a quick watch vs slow watch split starting to show. So far everyone who has binged it has said about the same stuff.
That's around 50% of what's wrong with that.
In what way?
In that it was simple and at times outright lazy, just ticking points of a list. GoT never used to be straightforward when it was good.
Oh, early in the show there was definitely more complexity.
Perfect person to not get you into the debt troubles the Lannisters had.
Sure, they’ll have to do some borrowing... but who is Bronn gonna have to ask about it before he does it?
Same and I fecking loved the show but thats done for me. Whole thing was a steaming pile of shite.
But, if you look at his selection as king as being derived from his status as the 3 Eyed Raven and not from being Bran Stark, that could further the notion that the wheel had been broken.
The Lords Paramount will take very kindly to life under a line of mystic omniscient monarch. If anything, the fact that he possesses such power will make them go, nope, lop his head off. It’s the same world where Citadel maesters poisoned all Targaryen hatchlings.
If you look at it from the point of view of Plato’s philosopher king(s) though, the theory pans out.
Philosopher king is an ideal that rest on the compunction of a single man to be good.
Isn’t it basically stated though that Bran isn’t really Bran anymore, that he is the 3 Eyed Raven, and just called Bran because that’s how people know him? Like a death to self kind of thing, so that whoever takes on the title of 3 Eyed Raven no longer has those personal desires that are evident in other men?
It can be death to self without the body being taken over by an ageless consciousness named 3-eyed Raven. It can be taken to mean he’s no longer Brandon Stark, the broken boy from Winterfell, but the Seer who oversee the realm from dangers with his newfound powers, like becoming a Brother of the Night’s Watch.
I am the walrusThat’s fair enough, I could see that.
That’s interesting to me, just because so much magic is interwoven into the story throughout.
Magic exists in the periphery in the world of ASOIAF, it’s never the deciding factor in ‘the conflict of human’s heart’. Daenerys would still try to take back her birthright without the dragons, Jon would still be torn between his duty as a Watch’s Brother and loyalty to his family without the existential threat of the Others/Whitewalkers. Magic just up the stakes, so to speak, but it’s not a get out of jail free card in any situation, it can’t be taken to explain the motives driving a person’s actions and choices.
I understand you now. Solid logic there and I respect that viewpoint and I can think of a point in the storyline where you see the “upping of the stakes” where Dany walks into the fire wth the dragon eggs.
There’s kind of a “why does god let bad things happen?” question in that point you’ve made.
This is bullshit, I watched it all in a short space of time and I thought season 8 was a horrible car crash.
Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion man.
Also Bran can't really see the future.
It’s never stated outright, but wouldn’t you say it is implied several times?
He had one or two out of body visions/dreams of prophecies before he became the 3 eyed raven but they were never out of choice. If he could've looked into the future there would've been less need for him to focus on the present and the past as he did. I think Bran created that future by giving her the knife, he didn't see that future and then give her the knife because of it. Also he wouldn't have sent Theon to his death if he knew Arya was coming anyway.
That’s a question I raised earlier though. If we assume he can see the future, which I fall on the side that he can due to those dreams and actions, then maybe he just can’t affect it. A powerless observer. That’s why Theon still died, why he had to receive the dagger and had to give it to Arya, and why he couldn’t prevent what happened at King’s Landing.
He can see the present and past as the 3 eyed raven, the narrative is he can't see the future to his advantage like you made it sound like he can in your original point. But if you want to believe that he can, then again fair enough.
