Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

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Blackwidow said:
No. Just look at Dortmund and Mainz. There is a time when the motivation does not work anymore and when the team does not work that good anymore.

I would say 2022 or seven years - with the last year already being a bad year.
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What happened at Mainz and Dortmund? As I will tell you his players never stopped playing for him.

You are taking a mad crazy half a season at Dortmund when all that could go wrong did go wrong, and a relegation at Mainz as meaning he lost his team, or his motivational skills didn't work? As if you are, you will be quite wrong. His players didn't stop working for him and didn't stop trusting him at either club.

He does know when changes are needed though - in the playing staff, he said when he left Dortmund, that if he didn't go, likely they would have had to make several changes to the team, so it was easier for him to leave. Thing is - Kloppo was right. Dortmund kept hold of players too long. We should have kept hold of him, but he went on the next step of his career.

He will know at Liverpool when it it time to change some faces, and bring in new blood. But this team right now is at the age range where for 3 or 4 more yeras they can grow together, and some longer than that.
 

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Josep Dowling said:
Behind Pep? But Pep has to spend a billion quid to make a decent team. Klopp has hardly spent a thing to do what he has done. I know he’s the Liverpool manager but there is no denying what a fantastic manager he is and I’m just gutted he can never manage us now.
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I still rate Klopp behind pep. You can argue the progession was there in his first two seasons but took him long enough to fix what broken (GK/CB)
Pep's spent billions but he's efficient. For comparison United spent >700m since Fergie left yet still on the lost cause.
 

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royboy16 said:
League will be their priority next season.
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The league was our priority this season and we almost got there but had a fairly decent consolation prize instead.
It's not one or the other, you fight for both and hopefully you get something at the end. That's what we did this year and that's what we'll do again next year. We may fall short on both counts next season but it won't be due to prioritising one over the other
 

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He is a Legend. He made Dortmund a big Club and Liverpool is a big club again with playing attractive attacking football. He also doesnt need stupid amount of money. Allison and Van Djik were bought by the Coutinho Money
 

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LVG's assessment on Liverpool is spot on in his interview. Klopp needs to find a way to make his team play better in small space. Let's see who he brings in the summer to improve on that front. IMO he needs a creative midfielder.
 

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ThierryHenry14 said:
LVG's assessment on Liverpool is spot on in his interview. Klopp needs to find a way to make his team play better in small space. Let's see who he brings in the summer to improve on that front. IMO he needs a creative midfielder.
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He has one in Naby Keita, who had finally found his feet and was playing well by the time he got injured late in the season. Him, Fabinho and one other (be it Henderson or Wijnaldum) actually makes a very good midfield for a Klopp team. Keita can dribble, and is good in tight spaces. It just took him longer to settle than many thought he would. Oxlade Chamberlin (sp?!) too is more creative type I think, who can break the lines. I don't think they will buy a new creative midfielder, but I would think they might look at more number 10 type player for depth more than anything, someone who can play all 3 forward positions maybe? I see they have been linked with Max Kruse, who would sort of fit that role, but I don't think he has the mobility to play for Klopp, plus not sure if he would be happy sitting on the bench so much.
 

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ThierryHenry14 said:
LVG's assessment on Liverpool is spot on in his interview. Klopp needs to find a way to make his team play better in small space. Let's see who he brings in the summer to improve on that front. IMO he needs a creative midfielder.
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100%. Hopefully Ox can provide that. Keita was supposed to but took too long. Yeah I'd love a little magician in there.
 

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100%. Hopefully Ox can provide that. Keita was supposed to but took too long. Yeah I'd love a little magician in there.
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so that's it, you give up on him? :D

The patience of fans always amuses me, he took a few months to find his way, but that is too long. Thankfully your coach is a patient man. You watch Keita next season, you will see the best of him in that more creative central role.
 

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Borussin said:
so that's it, you give up on him? :D

The patience of fans always amuses me, he took a few months to find his way, but that is too long. Thankfully your coach is a patient man. You watch Keita next season, you will see the best of him in that more creative central role.
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:)

I've been singing his praises for the last two years. I meant it was too late for this season. Of course I'm looking forward to seeing him next season. He's only shown about 60% of his abilities so far. Hopefully he's not a semi-perma crock like Ox and Lallana.
 

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They're releasing Moreno and Sturridge. Pains me to stay but Liverpool and Klopp again showing how it's supposed to be done and United could take a leaf out of their book.
 

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"Everything will be fine this season. But in the long-term? We have to change it. There must be breaks."

It's a criticism he's brought up a couple of times before iirc and I as far as I know it's shared by lots of professionals.
 

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do.ob said:
"Everything will be fine this season. But in the long-term? We have to change it. There must be breaks."

It's a criticism he's brought up a couple of times before iirc and I as far as I know it's shared by lots of professionals.
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Yep. And wouldn’t they benefit from a longer season?
 

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LVG said similar too. A lot of non-British coaches have made the point for a long time. I agree with the point he's making, but when Louis and others have said it, it's often been ridiculed with jibes like "welcome to the Premier League pal". Now that Lord Klopp has said it, it might get noticed with less ridicule, and maybe even acted on.
 

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OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
LVG said similar too. A lot of non-British coaches have made the point for a long time. I agree with the point he's making, but when Louis and others have said it, it's often been ridiculed with jibes like "welcome to the Premier League pal". Now that Lord Klopp has said it, it might get noticed with less ridicule, and maybe even acted on.
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That's Comrade Klopp to you. He's a solid egalitarian left winger.
 

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A couple of months ago he was saying "we need to spend to compete", now it's "we aren't in fantasy world like City".
 

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They needed to spend to keep up with City.
They had a god like run of about 6 weeks that saw them scores from dives, offsides goals etc that saw them through a rough patch that would have seen City normally pull away. With VAR those get outs are gone.
City don't really do that. VAR will be of little consequence to them.
 

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cyberman said:
They needed to spend to keep up with City.
They had a god like run of about 6 weeks that saw them scores from dives, offsides goals etc that saw them through a rough patch that would have seen City normally pull away. With VAR those get outs are gone.
City don't really do that. VAR will be of little consequence to them.
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Yeah City just foul around the half way line where VAR won't be used. They're laughing.
 

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Samid said:

A couple of months ago he was saying "we need to spend to compete", now it's "we aren't in fantasy world like City".
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ooof. If it doesn't go as well as planned that sounds like the start of wheels falling off. Or wishful thinking on my behalf.
 

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Samid said:
Moaning about lack of rest and pre season breaks yet again.
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There is one thing this fecker is right about, there is winter break in february, for 2 weeks, and that only means season starts 2 weeks earlier. At first i thought this was good idea, as i wasnt aware of all conditions, now that I see it, it doesnt make much sense.
 
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