For the home crowd dorks, I’m callin you knobheads I guess.
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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People are forgetting that rules are not the ultimate arbiter of what the game should be. Rules are just an approximation of the informal stable paradigm set by iterated playing of the sport over the last 100 years or so. The current instanciation of the rules are just an approximation decided by a (usually very corrupt) governing body.
Thats the reason I'm against VAR - its not at all a gripe against technology or old people yelling at the sky (I'm fairly young btw) - because more than actions being right by the official rules of the game, what matters is the unofficial spirit of the game which may or may not agree with the rules. And that's why I like the element of a human referee who has to make a snap judgement without relying on a replay and slow motion.
Thats the reason I'm against VAR - its not at all a gripe against technology or old people yelling at the sky (I'm fairly young btw) - because more than actions being right by the official rules of the game, what matters is the unofficial spirit of the game which may or may not agree with the rules. And that's why I like the element of a human referee who has to make a snap judgement without relying on a replay and slow motion.
What kind of bullshit logic is this? Of course there's advantages to being offside.
Im sure there's plenty of matches on ESPN classic that backwards fans can watch, they'll have tackles from behind and ruptured Achilles galore to keep them happy.
Changed my vote to hate it. If we got a decision like that against us in a final for example I would explode.
Sorry bud, if you think a millimeter matters in terms of offsides, you’re fecking clueless.
Bingo. Isn't this the point of sports played by humans. I really do think the tech crowd would have no issue with not having refs at all and using technology just to get the calls correct. Again, if refs got every single call correct some would still be in favor of Var instead. That's an issue.
Alternatively, if that goal happened against us and wasn't overriden by VAR, you'd probably feel even more upset.
No, you would. Normal people can handle it.
You're the minority here. That makes you the exception. Don't let basic statistics get in the way of your hissy fit though.
I wouldnt. I honestly feel that goal should have counted.
What makes you think the majority are normal?
So do I, and I'm a big VAR supporter. I'm not saying "VAR is stupid", though. The new handball law is.
If its against the rules then whats the problem? City even got to celebrate it properly for those who claim that VAR takes away moments.
That’s what I am fecking saying dude, it starts with a couple things they want to correct but then someone misses a call, the fans scream and yell and then the next year they add that to the things to look at. Then again the next year, and the next. Every time a rule is not enforced by the ref during the game, add it to the list of things to look at. It’s damned near ruined throwball for me, don’t want to see it happen here. I thought it would be restricted to changing things the ref missed like the hand of god goal, but it’s already being used to re-referee the games and it’s just going to get worse from here.With the rules being applied correctly...?
(Old man yells at cloud)
Indeed
The literal definition of normal does.
It shouldn't have though, because it wasn't a legitimate goal. This needs to be put in context too, if we are going to start bending the rules and allowing rule breaking, where do we draw the line? This was a potentially pointless game involving rivals of ours. What if this was to happen in a CL final? Which can at times be decided by inches?
I'd wager that if we were to lose a CL final to a goal that was incorrectly called, you'd have people on here and on social media losing it. There's no reason why we shouldn't take advantage of technology. It's not perfect and I agree there's things that need to be improved though, mainly the grey area regarding the interpretation of rules.
So you hate VAR because of this potential make belief scenario occuring? Okay then.
Im not saying VAR is stupid either I guess. And I havent read the new handball law. But after watching this game for most of my life that goal looks like it ended up in the net just like it has for the past 150 years.
https://withoutvar.com/
I've been switching between the tables for hours because i'm a knobhead and a dork. It truly is beautiful to see teams move up and down.
I've been switching between the tables for hours because i'm a knobhead and a dork. It truly is beautiful to see teams move up and down.
I love var
In the ass
you should probably read the new handball law then. It’s not var’s fault.
The main reason they brought this new rule in my opinion is to cut the ambiguity in handling the ball by the attacking side. Now there is no room for any ambiguity. If it touches the hand of any player of the attacking side then it is a handball. Simple enough. We have to agree the deflection on the arm of Laporte did fall kindly to Jesus. I do not think he need that kind of intervention anyway.
What make believe scenario? I talked about the limited scope the NFL IR started with and the way it has escalated every time a call is missed and fans/media went nuts. It’s getting fecking ridiculous and destroying the game for many people.
It isn’t “every time a call is missed”. PI’s and no-calls should have always been reviewed anyway, and the Saints game was the straw the broke the back. The owners overwhelmingly (all but 1) approved the change.
It drives me insane when 50 000 people in a stadium and millions of viewers at home know that a team got a wrongful penalty because of a dive, and the one man making all the decisions is the only person that doesn't know what actually happened. It rewards unfair play, and the stupidity behind that whole thing has been bugging the hell out of me my entire life.
VAR is the best damn thing that's happened to football in my lifetime. Finally there's more correct decisions in what is still the most cheater-filled and unfair sport in the world.
VAR is the best damn thing that's happened to football in my lifetime. Finally there's more correct decisions in what is still the most cheater-filled and unfair sport in the world.
Adds nothing to the discussion
^^^a knobjob
Ok, my bad for saying “every”, too strong a word. You are right, the scope of the NFL IR has been exactly the same as it has been from the start until this offseason when they made one change only because the owners thought it was necessary.
Unfair? All teams are subject to the same variability. That actually makes the game less predictable and IMO all the more exciting for it. Every supporter throughout a season would be guaranteed to experience luck, joy, injustice. Now it's just VARy boring.
Its not VAR's fault, its the handball rule.
Its not VAR's fault that the offside rule is very obscure.
Its not VAR's fault that most fouls in football are subjective.
But if a ref makes a wrong decision, "Feckin corrupt", "useless cnut" etc..,
Its not VAR's fault that the offside rule is very obscure.
Its not VAR's fault that most fouls in football are subjective.
But if a ref makes a wrong decision, "Feckin corrupt", "useless cnut" etc..,
Does that include the penalty which should have been awarded to City though?.https://withoutvar.com/
I've been switching between the tables for hours because i'm a knobhead and a dork. It truly is beautiful to see teams move up and down.
From what I see the ball hits Laportes hand and falls perfectly to Gabriel Jesus. Is there any video evidence contrary to that?
As for the penalties that weren’t given- did they go to VAR?
As for the penalties that weren’t given- did they go to VAR?
That’ll change throughout the season. I was sort of accepting of VAR until I saw what it would be. Absolute nonsense that is going to a nightmare for fans going to matches.
The only reason it has come to this (VAR) is precisely because refs fail so many critical calls.
We have the technology to get it right. We don't need to sacrifice fairness in the game because of the "human error".
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As a matter of fact, in other sports it keeps getting expanded to different scenarios with every year or improvement.
Here's a comparison for you in Rugby,
2015 WC 115 referrals
2011 WC 51
2007 WC 47
2003 WC 36
Its not a make believe scenario. Both the number of reviews and the things for which review can be used is obviously going to expand if other sports are any indicators.
Apparently, its a subjective decision. So VAR cant intervene. The VAR looking at it didn't think it was "Clear and Obvious".
Other sports have implemented these change years earlier, with football being reluctant, so to suggest they are following suit with what other sports have done is hardly based on fact.
Sure. I should have said blown non-call. My problem is IR hasn’t made the experience better. The best example is the stupidity over what is a catch. They’ve basically had to rewrite the rules because now the game is being reviewed in super slow motion. Those revisions haven’t improved my experience. I’m sure we will get to a similar point with VAR—rules being refined to a unreasonable point because it is being reviewed in stop motion. I’m still going to watch, I just don’t think it’s better.
Since forever, we've always known that accidental hand touches are not fouls.
This new handball rule changed that to avoid ambiguity, but in my opinion that is not a good enough reason to change something so fundamental about football as "accidental touches with the hand are not fouls". It's not good enough.
This is a bad rule that is bringing unecessary problems to the game.
It's not VAR's fault btw.
The anti VAR crowd in this thread seem to be growing more and more unhinged.