Nicolas Pépé
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Well, just in one term i have to agree with @Jimmy_Bond. The Neymar transfer saga massively inflated the market. Probably not even Neymar himself, but the following transfers of Dembele, Coutinho, VVD, Alisson etc.
I can see that in Bundesliga too. Javi Martinez (2012) was the record signing of Bayern until this season with 40m€ (not even pounds!). Last season Bayern completely passed at the transfermarket because the sums were exploding everywhere for top players (Neymar has started it because Barca had so much money to spend into replacements and everyone knew that, then the same with Liverpool, Dortmund and basically all the others and at some point clubs started to say "well, if a talent like Dembele/VVD/Alisson etc. is worth that much money, my player is worth that money too!).
This season Bayern doubled their transfer record from 40 to 80 million € for a CB (Hernandez from Atletico) even though he is not even an overhyped superstar and they still had the likes of Hummels, Boateng, Sule and Pavard in their squad. Also, in order to replace one of Robbery, they were willing to pay 100+ for Leroy Sane (City reportedly asked for 150). A very good player, but a player which would have cost 50 at max a few years ago. Heck, he is not even a starter for City nor a world beater. Hazard was a better player before he joined Chelsea and cost only 40m€ if i remember correctly (which was too expensive for clubs like Bayern).
Bayern was also in talks for Pepe but they seemingly decided that he is not worth a premium fee (i agree on this). A few years ago Pepe's price would have been around 20 to 30m at max.
So yeah, i blame the boom on the transfermarket mostly on the Neymar transfer. Not necessarily because of the transfer itself, but because of the transfers that followed. Of course, because of certain sheiks and other stuff there are more top clubs with big money around than usual, which also inflates the prices.
Jesus.
Plays in France in 13/14, scored 9 in 17. Does ACL. Comes to England, looks crap for 2 years and can barely get a game (4 goals in 26 for United and 1 goal in 10 for Chelsea the following season). Goes back to France, and like magic the following season it's 21 goals in 29! How's that for context?
You really do anything to defend what is a very average league.
Yep. It's absolutely ludicrous to think that the world record transfer going from £89m to £200m doesn't affect the market and inflate fees. Neymar's buy out clause was at £200m because it was seen as so absurdly high, nobody would ever meet it. The moment it was met, all hell broke loose and the market went crazy, and it's not recovered since.
It is an average league so way to go for missing my point completely. At no point did I defend Ligue 1 here
I am talking about a player taking a little while to get back to good form after an ACL.
Some players never recover their form so would you minimize the impact this injury had on him ?
As if the ACL was a routine injury that ain't supposed to derail careers
Nor will it, because the market is merely following the money. When the top clubs are raking in €6-700m in revenue, of course transfer fees will follow
I'm still curious about checking the hard numbers though
Good for you but we already had this discussion at length. Neymar's transfer impacted things but it's not the sole factor.
I still don't think he is the same player he was before his injury. That players would have succeeded in England no problem and was one of the world's best and most feared strikers.
My point to the other poster (and his youtube compilation videos) was, a crocked and past it Falcao went back to France, signed for one of the worst teams and still bangs in 20 goals a season. If he came back to England he'd be just as ineffective.
It was by far the single biggest factor.
The deal was even between two clubs that don't benefit from the incredible TV deals that the English teams do. It beggars belief that you won't recognise how big the Neymar transfer was in making the transfer market how it is now.
Monaco wasn't one of the worst sides in France. Again a little context is needed, the first time around their owner splashed a ridiculous money during the summer and brought many players like Falcao and James Rodriguez. That season he had 9 in 17 before getting injured.
The season before he returned to France, they had just finished 3rd in the league and benefited also from the emergence and/ or explosion of many young talents at the same time (Mbappe, Mendy, Lemar, Benardo, Lemar, Fabinho, Sidibe etc etc...). I think you are confusing the team they are now with the team they were back then.
All of this to say Falcao took a little while to get back to a good form and it's not a surprise considering an ACL. Playing in France, in that historic team, also helped him have a great season. After they sold all their promising players and it all went to shit.
Context is always needed IMHO and I don't do that to wind you up. I just think it's just more accurate when all the facts are put to the table
I ain't doing this again. We are never gonna agree with it anyway
Ok. Signed for one of what is NOW one of the worst French teams and STILL bangs in 20 odd goals a season.
Again that's not accurate. The last time he scored over 20 goals in the season, they finished 2nd so they weren't one of the worst french teams. He didn't do it last season when they flirted with relegation all year long
Scored 15 in the league last season and 18 the season before. Stop being so pedantic. "20 odd" is not 20, it means "close to 20."
15 isn't close to 20, 18 is and when he did, they finished in CL places. Great exchange indeed... I do like the transition from "20 goals" to "20 odd goals" though
6 pages later and you're still throwing lies on the wall hoping something sticks. As you said you can disagree and you have your own opinions but what's the point in lying about easily researchable stats ?
Such a boring boring set of arguments.
So according to you, if Mane was good enough, why did Liverpool sign him with basically no competition and same with Salah too.
At 35m and 40m respectively, those signings were still a massive gambles (at the time) for unproven players.
Pepe has all the tools succeed in the PL.
He just needs consistent game time.
Of forgoodness sake. "Lying?" I don't have Falcao's stats at my fingertips. But having looked since he left England having been absolutely shite in the PL he's scored 21, 18 and 15 league goals in his three seasons in France. Last season his minutes per goal (as our resident French scout loves) was 179 minutes a goal. So (just) better than one in two. Think I made my point. The French league is much weaker than the Premier League, and as I've demonstrated throughout this, success in France FAR from equates to success in England.6 pages later and you're still throwing lies on the wall hoping something sticks. As you said you can disagree and you have your own opinions but what's the point in lying about easily researchable stats ?
This was countered with "all the players who flopped in England weren't even good in France." What nonsense. Yet, not many of you jumped on that, as it doesn't suit your agenda.
"So according to you, bla bla bla."
Once again, I've given my opinion, I've given plenty of justification, I've stated I might be wrong, and I've stated I think Pepe will be a good player.
As others have said, this is so boring now. If you disagree, fine. But the offence people are taking at somebody thinking Pepe won't be worth £72m is pathetic.
Jimmy you are essentially a pepe hater. But how can you be a hater of a nutmeg specialist? Its the only thing we all football fans have in common. Our love for a nutmeg
90M and can't shoot
If he keeps playing like this I'll love him mate.
Wasn't it £110m?
Seemingly doesn't dribble from a standstill. We'll have to see how he does but that was a mess of a performance.
Plays like a rabbit. Too scared at the moment. Stage too big
Now that s what I call someone wasteful - pepe today.
Very poor today. As I said in the other thread, looks to have a lot of time on the ball and is adept in close spaces, but in terms of the actual impact he makes (final pass, shooting), he came across as clumsy and unsure.
Once he scores 2 or 3 in a row against mid-table teams he'll be fine, he's just lacking a bit of confidence.
Can't shoot, can't pass, constantly makes shit decisions.
Plenty of time to improve but not looking like a blockbuster signing at all. A lot of hype over nothing last week because he ran fast.
Plenty of time to improve but not looking like a blockbuster signing at all. A lot of hype over nothing last week because he ran fast.
His approach play was good, just lacked end product. Still had an assist. I think he’ll be very good once he’s fully settled unfortunately.
Sounds like Rashford
"Unsure" is the perfect word.
Looks great up until his final ball or shot on goal.
His record in both assists and goals leads me to believe that will come though.
His record in both assists and goals leads me to believe that will come though.
Looks good to me because he plays on the right side and doesn't look completely clueless every time he gets the ball.
Guess that's the side effects of being a United fan
Guess that's the side effects of being a United fan
He just looks really awkward more than anything. He never looks like he has control of the ball. And his crossing is not great.
Think he's a top talent. Will need 10-20 games to adjust his game to England but quality is there.
Told my Arsenal mates when they got him that I think they have a new Gervinho personally. Reminds me of him at Lille.
He’s kinda wank.
Better hairstyle at least.