Definitely makes sense. I've gotten into podcasts recently while driving and its made some long drives much more fun
Film Joker (2019)
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Probably a bad choice of words there from me. Not plagiarism but paying homage is one thing and painting yourself with the same brush is another. The film didn't have to be set in the same era considering the themes they were covering and the heavy handed social commentary it was portraying. The film didn't need to have Bobby DeNiro in such a mis-cast role. etc. Not saying I didn't enjoy that though. It's in my top 3 of the year. Midsommar. Interesting you bought that up. I felt the same way towards that but on that occasion, I think it was actually better than Wickerman (the original, not the great CAGE version! - nothing is better than that).
So you agree with Scorsese then?
One other connection between joker and taxi driver is that the actor who plays the TV host also played taxi driver.
Unbelievable Jeff
Don’t know if I really enjoyed this or whether I just spent 2 hours watching Phoenix laugh and dance.
Yes. This one looks to be the most pretentious yet.
Yuck, now I don't want to see it.
Can see this guy hitting the big time soon.
Bobby de niro?
Off the top of my head:
North By Northwest, Rashomon, Y Tu Mama Tambien, Caddyshack, Life is Beautiful, City of God, Hero, Oldboy (original), No Country for Old Men, Shoplifters
It's all going to come down to personal taste and what is done with the creative work. Seeing the new season of Mr Robot I remember how many people said it was just copying Fight Club but it did evolve its own take. Anything these days is going to be derivative of something. =
Just read the script, then make up your mind.
Can't quite figure out why this one's generated so much discussion. I enjoyed it but it was entirely forgettable
Probably the early reviews declaring it a masterpiece (it isn't) followed by the backlash reviews declaring it irresponsible, dangerous etc. (it isn't) before the film even got released. The combination of the two turned out to be a goldmine for the makers.
Robert.
He's related to Bobby Firmino
Exactly - it's a pretty "tepid" film overall (even though Phoenix's performance is amazing), but there have been extremes in its reception, so obviously it's going to generate discussion
The amount of people who are on the extreme scales of this film is hilarious. It's so middle road it's not even worth it!
Perhaps that's the lesson to learn from this film. Go, watch, enjoy or don't. Either way, stop listening to ponces on the internet to get opinions that then inflate your own ego when you regurgitate them back out.
And for fecks sake, just don't bother with anything ever at all if your name starts with a R and ends with a 7 and you have the gaul to call other things pretentious
Perhaps that's the lesson to learn from this film. Go, watch, enjoy or don't. Either way, stop listening to ponces on the internet to get opinions that then inflate your own ego when you regurgitate them back out.
And for fecks sake, just don't bother with anything ever at all if your name starts with a R and ends with a 7 and you have the gaul to call other things pretentious
This.And for fecks sake, just don't bother with anything ever at all if your name starts with a R and ends with a 7 and you have the gaul to call other things pretentious
When was the last time there was such a divide between the audience response (mostly very positive) and the critic response (Very mixed according to RT and metacritic)? A lot of the negative reviews i've read tend to always have political undertones to them. If you think it sucks then that's fine but the whole incel/white supremacist angle has been really weird when there's nothing in the film at all to suggest a connection.
It's an amazing movie and it talks loud about something that's been ignored for so many years. Someone with mental illness gets ignored and cast out by society. I myself have been on that side. Plus all the pills and shrinks wouldn't help so they just do the status quo and hope for the best. Probably a lot of people are just either loved the movie or shocked at the people who can relate to the Joker.
Massively overrated. It’s that simple.
How so? Loads of people dont like it
The scale of the acclaim from most critics is so overboard. Is it a good performance from Phoenix? Sure, but the hyperbole surrounding it is way too much.
It has a rating of 59 on Metacritic. Hardly critical acclaim.
Female ghostbusters was very polarised, loved by the media, hated by much of the Internet. Quite average in reality.
It's received quite a lot of critical acclaim. A good chunk of critics think it's brilliant.
That's evened out by a good chunk of critics who absolutely hate it .. there's very few I've read who are 'in between', it appears a love or hate kind of deal. And a decent amount of the negative critics clearly have some agenda because they think the film is pushing some kind of message.
Great film.
Some of the cinematography was incredible. Joaquin Phoenix was amazing in his portrayal. Difficult to compare the film to The Dark Knight as they are completely different.
Was definitely the best new film I’ve seen this year and I hope there is a second one, one with more of The Joker.
Some of the cinematography was incredible. Joaquin Phoenix was amazing in his portrayal. Difficult to compare the film to The Dark Knight as they are completely different.
Was definitely the best new film I’ve seen this year and I hope there is a second one, one with more of The Joker.
Just saw this a second time and it gets even better. There are a lot of things you notice that you'd not the first time.
Just got back from seeing it. It was good. Not as mind blowing good as some are making nor as bad as others are. The similarities with scorcese stuff is overstated. It felt more similar to one of Phoenix's your not really there. The supposed gratuitous violence is bull as well.
We've entered an era where opinions on films are debated more, it seems. People care more nowadays when the general consensus of a film doesn't fit their own thoughts, for whatever reason. Therefore the perception is it's more polarised. The reality is it's the same as before with a broad range of opinions, but now we care more about ones that differ to us.
It's a bit strange really the rhetoric over this film. First the massive hype, then the big backlash. All the weird detailed theories about what it means when there isn't really that much depth to it. The same basic story has been done to death in film since Taxi Driver, but without the joker. We all have so many preconceptions about what this movie about a comic book character was before we even watched it. The skeptic in me thinks it's just a really good marketing campaign at work, but it's probably more than that.
It's a bit strange really the rhetoric over this film. First the massive hype, then the big backlash. All the weird detailed theories about what it means when there isn't really that much depth to it. The same basic story has been done to death in film since Taxi Driver, but without the joker. We all have so many preconceptions about what this movie about a comic book character was before we even watched it. The skeptic in me thinks it's just a really good marketing campaign at work, but it's probably more than that.
I got the sense that reaction was very mixed among reviewers but audiences mostly loved it.
59 on Metacritic critical reviews , 9.3 out of 10 in audience score
68% vs 89 % on RT
Something that's really doing my nut in, everyone I speak to keeps talking about how phoenix is an "underated" actor.
1) who actually underates him? He's given nothing but praise even before joker. 2) if everyone thinks you're underated, you're not underated.
1) who actually underates him? He's given nothing but praise even before joker. 2) if everyone thinks you're underated, you're not underated.
He was even good in Gladiator, in a thankless & clichéd role.
Thought it was great, I'd have enjoyed more of seeing his secondary stage of moving into The Joker, but I'm guessing they've left it that way to set up a 2nd film.
Looking forward to seeing it a second time this coming weekend. Thoroughly enjoyed it first time. Only gripes would be a slight lack of originality and a joker who wasn't commanding. Still, looking forward to watching it one more time on the hall before it goes.