[SAFMUTD]

What does being recently or newly promoted have to do with anything? They have a head coach who has been at the job for more than three full seasons and a stable squad of experienced players. They certainly look better coached but you can’t analyse that as if we were in a vacuum.

Context is always key when moaning or when praising a team. Their total wages may be less but they are vastly more experienced. Wages don’t win you leagues nor does the club name. LCFC had a much lower total wage bill yet they won the league ahead of all the other big name clubs.

Just for reminders, these are their results against the usual top 4/top 6 contenders:

Chelsea A 2-2
Liverpool H 0-1
Arsenal H 1-0
Tottenham A 1-1
United H 3-3

How does that look for a newly promoted side?

There’s no point in arguing with you if you seriously believe Ole is in disadvantage in anyway when facing Sheffield United.

 

[roseguy64]

Honestly this season is a complete write off and we're all much, much better off mentally and physically for believing that.

Laugh when a goal goes in either for or against us and enjoy the banter of it all and it becomes much more fun to watch.

We are at day zero of our rebuild in the grand scheme of things. We've stripped back to the bare bones. Some (well, many) players left are still not good enough but basically we're stuck with them because they're so shit nobody else will take them and we couldn't get enough in to replace them for whatever reason.

I have zero doubt Ole, Phelan, Carrick, McKenna, the players, Ed, the board, the Glazers, the entire fecking world knows that this squad is nowhere near good enough right now and we're going to get players in to make it better. It's about having a plan in place and sticking with it and hopefully getting it right.

Pochettino won feck all at Spurs, he left Moura out who won them the semi-final and played Kane in the final showing his clear favouritism over merit and I think that lost him the dressing room this season. He's claimed he doesn't need to win trophies and it only 'boosts ego' which sounds like the kind of mentality I want nowhere near my football club. He lost his players, he was lower down the league than Ole, hadn't won an away match since February and is probably angling for the Real/Barça job that he'll likely never get because they know he's not a winner so to all the fans that wish we had him in, you can feck off.

Likewise Mourinho this time last season had fallen out with all of his players, fallen out with the board, fallen out with the media and we watched as the utterly tedious miserable cnut dragged us deeper into despair. He did this at Chelsea and did it at Real Madrid so it was only even gonna end the way it did with us. Even when we were doing well under him we still played fecking abysmal football and parked the bus against our biggest rivals. He wasn't a United manager and never will be.

I don't for a second believe Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is a world class manager and ultimately when the time comes we need to appoint someone that is but given the lack of options out there right now and the clear lack of any evidence that anyone given our current squad could do any better with it we might as well give him time and money to spend. He's shown with AWB, Maguire (mostly) and James that he can identify good players and buy them, let's hope he gets more right because whatever we were trying before led us to end up in the shit we're in right now and clearly wasn't working.

Get in Brandon Williams and get in Mason Greenwood. Love that the youth are taking their chances.

Aside from that, Sheffield United have drawn with both Spurs and Chelsea and beaten Arsenal. They're well drilled, their manager has a clear plan and their players buy into it and work very hard to implement it on the pitch. Even under SAF we'd have struggled to win so fair fecks to them, they're doing well this season and long may such a good approach continue to reap rewards from them.

3-3 was completely unfair to them but because I love my club it's absolutely completely fair.

Their third shouldn't have been given and VAR needs massively sorting out. Whatever part of his arm/shoulder it hit stopped the ball from flying up in the air and set it up for the perfect shot instead. No goal (unless you're Liverpool).

Agreed with this pretty much entirely.

 

[Fredo]

7 good minutes when James went to the left and played close to Martial, I don't know today why our front 3 were not interchanging positions up front. Martial had no service, our midfield in all honesty today was atrocious, Perreira had an awful game, he is only playing well in patches. Scott's absence was there to see, Perreira was so weak Fred had to cover for him most of the game, it's just not good enough, we lost the midfield battle early in the game and we should have adjusted... overall happy it did not end 2-0 as it seemed so all game long, credit that we scored 3 but to concede the goals we did was just awful, especially the last one, Lindelof is just a soft pony, they rolled their way in the area and Maguire was just awful in his tackle. It is priceless to have a solid DM because our midfield can only provide good cover when Scott/Fred play together, time to end the investment we are putting on Perreira and give others a chance, wish we can try Tuanzebe as DM...

 

[TsuWave]

You were there on the training ground, were you?

Bizarre take

we got battered until we abandoned 3 at the back, which got us the lead, the moment we switched back to it, they equalised.

 

[roseguy64]

I can guaranteed, when we went 3-2 up, we’re all saying go for four, but also saying we could get caught on the counter with that shocking midfield.

Any manager would have done the same, even the nightly Klopp and Pep.

It didn’t work out this time.

I agree with the idea of the change. We just did it too early and also should have subbed off Rashford as he was ineffective up front in that small period.

 

[roseguy64]

we got battered until we abandoned 3 at the back, which got us the lead, the moment we switched back to it, they equalised.

We didn't switch back to 3 at the back.

 

[Dr Fink]

That performance was simply unacceptable. The mindset coached to the players for away games is embarrassing. He’s not the man to take us forward. 100%.

 

[Fussball13251]

Atleast United are scoring goals now.

 

[TsuWave]

We didn't switch back to 3 at the back.

Tuanzebe supposedly went into midfield as anchor, either way it was a change that invited pressure.

 

[Bilbo]

I agree with Souness. The manager should be more concerned about the first seventy minutes, not reminiscing about how well we did the last twenty. If it wasn't for two inexperienced 18 year olds, we would have lost.

I guarantee you that he will be concerned, but a post match interview is not the place to air your feelings about this.

 

[Bilbo]

You're free to find another forum.

Its tempting to leave here. It really is. Toxic place these days

 

[wolvored]

If we are outplayed for a large part of a match that was by a team recently promoted, then it shows how tactically inept our manager is. His comments after the game also show he hasnt a clue. I was all for giving him until the end of the season to see if after the january transer window we could kick on. Then this is all over the papers No transfers in Jan

 

[Godfather]

I agree with Souness. The manager should be more concerned about the first seventy minutes, not reminiscing about how well we did the last twenty. If it wasn't for two inexperienced 18 year olds, we would have lost.

Let's hope our board does.

 

[NewGlory]

We’re Manchester United for Christ’s sake! We should have the best coaches in the world.

The excuses for Ole are getting more and more ridiculous. He’s been in the job nearly a year now, the excuses need to stop!

"Best" coaches in the world don't guarantee success, mate, you need solid club structure. Definition of "best" is fluid, but we did have one of the most successful coaches in the world – Mourinho – before this and it was painful to watch. LVG was also very well-decorated coach but his entire reign was even worse than that of Mou.

Sure, Ole lacks experience, but our troubles are FAR from just coach's fault. For us to start winning again, we need footballing-minded management, not that feck Woodward at the helm. Also, Ole may not be the best, but he is no slouch that some people make him sound, either. Remember - we are THE ONLY team that didn't let Liverpool win this season. They won every other match. And honestly - we should have beat them, won that match. Ole makes mistakes, but he isn't an idiot. A lot of instability is due to team being extremely misbalanced. We should have bought some quality midfielders and at least one more striker. When Martial was out and we were without a top striker, we were miserable.

 

[Fanatic 00237]

There’s no point in arguing with you if you seriously believe Ole is in disadvantage in anyway when facing Sheffield United.

My initial post which you responded to was explaining why Sheffield look better coached. I’m surprised that you seriously don’t see that having a younger side filled with inexperienced players is a disadvantage.

 

[Withnail]

we got battered until we abandoned 3 at the back, which got us the lead, the moment we switched back to it, they equalised.

It sounded to me like you were saying that the players did their own thing to score the goals and then went back to the plan and fecked it up.

It's safe to say they were also following orders when they scored the goals.

 

[Paxi]

Its tempting to leave here. It really is. Toxic place these days

Its football at the end of the day. Go into the general or entertainment forum and there is plenty of craic between posters.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Its football at the end of the day. Go into the general or entertainment forum and there is plenty of craic between posters.

Brexit thread is a great laugh too.

 

[groovyalbert]

Having taken it all in, that game was a lot of fun.

We were awful in large patches but real promise shown too in the second.

Id the result ideal? Far from it. But compared to the sort of matches we've been accustomed to over the past few seasons, I'll take that all day long.

The youngsters got us out of that one, they're the way to go forward.

 

[Tincanalley]

"Best" coaches in the world don't guarantee success, mate, you need solid club structure. Definition of "best" is fluid, but we did have one of the most successful coaches in the world – Mourinho – before this and it was painful to watch. LVG was also very well-decorated coach but his entire reign was even worse than that of Mou.

Sure, Ole lacks experience, but our troubles are FAR from just coach's fault. For us to start winning again, we need footballing-minded management, not that feck Woodward at the helm. Also, Ole may not be the best, but he is no slouch that some people make him sound, either. Remember - we are THE ONLY team that didn't let Liverpool win this season. He won every other match. And honestly - we should have beat them, won that match. Ole makes mistakes, but he isn't an idiot. A lot of instability is due to team being extremely misbalanced. We should have bought some quality midfielders and at least one more striker. When Martial was out and we were without a top striker, we were miserable.

Well said, could not agree more.

 

[Judas]

I agree with the idea of the change. We just did it too early and also should have subbed off Rashford as he was ineffective up front in that small period.

He literally scored one and assisted in that little period how much more effective do you want him to be?

 

[Bilbo]

Its football at the end of the day. Go into the general or entertainment forum and there is plenty of craic between posters.

The reason to keep coming back is because this place needs a balance in opinion, and right now the fans that I consider to be toxic are taking over the place.

I have no issue with anyone thinking Ole should leave. None whatsoever. The issue is with people who refuse to have an impartial opinion. Praise the good and the bad or you're just toxic IMO.

I'm certain there are a few fans on here who were pleased to see the equalizer so they could spend the evening spewing all over the forum.

This is a long term project to sort out this football club. What happened today doesnt make a difference really. The squad is being rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt and patience is required otherwise we just continue to go round in circles as a football club

 

[Fussball13251]

Should have held on at 3:2. Simple. Sheff United will shock take points of City and Liverpool, too.

Should have managed the game out at 3:2.

 

[Ban]

The reason to keep coming back is because this place needs a balance in opinion, and right now the fans that I consider to be toxic are taking over the place.

I have no issue with anyone thinking Ole should leave. None whatsoever. The issue is with people who refuse to have an impartial opinion. Praise the good and the bad or you're just toxic IMO.

I'm certain there are a few fans on here who were pleased to see the equalizer so they could spend the evening spewing all over the forum.

This is a long term project to sort out this football club. What happened today doesnt make a difference really. The squad is being rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt and patience is required otherwise we just continue to go round in circles as a football club

There were definitely people pleased when they scored the 3rd. One guy was actually annoyed we got into the lead.

 

[vivaronaldo]

ole should buy a lottery ticket .....blessed individual

 

[starman]

Blame Ole for anything bad, credit the players for anything good is basically the line people are taking.
Go through the match thread there were some people that were disappointed that we came back....
Also now it's "just Sheffield United". The same team that went toe to toe with Liverpool and were unlucky to lose, drew at Chelsea, beat Arsenal and outplayed and were robbed against Spurs. This game was always going to be tough, its disappointing it ended in draw but also most were saying we would lose. Can't win against agenda driven fans...

 

[Bilbo]

There were definitely people pleased when they scored the 3rd. One guy was actually annoyed we got into the lead.

My take from today

Highly entertaining last 30 minutes

Very impressed with the opposition

First goals for Williams and Greenwood. Chuffed for them both

Long way to go for this team, and I'm looking forward to a couple of new additions that are badly needed.

Theres more of course, but ultimately that's what will stick. There were countless days in the past where we didn't turn up for an away game. It's not something to be blase about, but it's also not something to completely lose your shit over either, like many here have done

 

[Judas]

As much as I don't think Ole is the one, I've not been that pissed off and angry to concede a goal as I was when their 3rd went in for a long time, I was gutted.

 

[NinjaZombie]

What struck me was how Ole reacted after the final whistle, smiling and shaking hands with the opposing manager and his staff, like that was a good day's work done.

I was pissed off we didn't win that game.

Poch is available. He has far better credentials than Ole. Get him in.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

There’s one two posts down from me from Pennywise.

Rather than support a club legend, everyone jumping down his throat every bad game.

he’s cleared out all the shite everyone was crying for last season.

Valencia, Fellaini, Herrera, Sanchez, Smalling, Lukaku, all bar one got slated for the last few season.

he’s sticking to the ethics this club was founded on - but it’s ok because Dave on the caf can’t handle that we don’t win a trophy every season so we will call him out.

match going fans are a credit to the club, get behind the players and the manager, perhaps the Caf should do the same.

remeber being 4-0 down to MK dons in the league cup under LVG. Proper fans turned up that day, that’s how you support a club, not stick the knife in the very chance

Alot of those t0p reds were the same one clapping Moyes down the tunnel a week before he was sacked. Just because you go to more games, doesn't make your opinion any more entitled.

Fact is, Ole is nowhere near good enough, and you can choose to be as deluded as you want. Some of you self proclaimed t0p reds deserve mediocrity, you really do.

 

[manc exile]

Loaning Smalling and keeping Jones is criminal given how poor our defense is.

to be fair to ole, who would take jones on loan?

 

[TRUERED89]

Taking Martial off for Tuanzebe played right into their hands, that sub cost us the win! They had the initiative and confidence to go again. Only positive is Brandon Williams, surely claimed the LB spot permanently!

 

[TRUERED89]

Good game.

Moaners can feck off.

Wow just wow, has to be a WUM

 

[Member 113277]

Their first goal looked like a foul on Jones, the second was a worldie and the third was fair, he didn;t handle it when view from many angles.

I'd have settled for 3-3 before the game, now it feels like a loss, but at least we're knocking goals in - the midfield is so weak that I hope Ole can find a loan player or two in January.

 

[Red00012]

Taking Martial off for Tuanzebe played right into their hands, that sub cost us the win! They had the initiative and confidence to go again. Only positive is Brandon Williams, surely claimed the LB spot permanently!

Scoring a goal does not make you 1st Choice LB , his general play was poor.

Took his goal well though.

 

[R'hllor]

Nothing better than a sheep throwing terms around like toxic, moaners and negativity. Another thing, why people act surprised about some wishing us to lose, like never happened before.

People forgot last part of LvG era when not few but some numbers openly wished us to lose games and defended it with "greater good". Well here we are, few years later, greater good indeed.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Their first goal looked like a foul on Jones, the second was a worldie and the third was fair, he didn;t handle it when view from many angles.

I'd have settled for 3-3 before the game, now it feels like a loss, but at least we're knocking goals in - the midfield is so weak that I hope Ole can find a loan player or two in January.

Herein lies the problem.

The club has used OgS’s goodwill with fans to lower expectations to a point of lunacy.

No one expected a title challenge; most thought it would be tough to get top4 but there is no justification for us to be this bad to [hopefully] get better in the future.

Sheff U have done well this season but there is no way a draw away in this given our need for wins is acceptable. OgS has had his good grace with results against Palace, Newcastle et. al. - it is time to show he has learnt & can teach the team where not to go wrong which time & again he fails to do.

 

[SAFMUTD]

My initial post which you responded to was explaining why Sheffield look better coached. I’m surprised that you seriously don’t see that having a younger side filled with inexperienced players is a disadvantage.

Seriously which player from Sheffield would start in ManUtd?

We have a much much better squad plain and simple, trying to justify Ole is getting more ridiculous as time goes by.

 

[TRUERED89]

Scoring a goal does not make you 1st Choice LB , his general play was poor.

Took his goal well though.

Was it any worse than what we’ve seen from Young and Shaw for years, considering he’s only 19? Ole playing 3 at the back every away game and disrupting their strengths surely doesn’t help either.

 

[manc4red]

we played a great 10-15 minutes and snuck a tie from the game
Imagine what it would be like if we could play for a full 90minutes