Morgan Schneiderlin | Free Agent

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He was good at Southampton.

Another case of midtable club player failed to make the step to a big club, then failed to reignite his form again after getting exposed
 

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Me too mate. I remember posting on here not long after he signed, that a midfield of Schweinsteiger, Sneiderlin and Herrera was the best in the premier league :nervous:
We all thought the same so nothing to be ashamed of.

I remember us signing Bastian and then Morgan in 2 successive days before going on preseason. Was to excited about that and though our midfield is finally complete. Meh...
 

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I fully blame Lvg for him, he totally destroyed his game, ripped it up and destroyed his confidence. Now he struggles ever since. I feel sorry for him, he was at a good level of performance at Southampton, that’s why we were excited to sign him. He looks a dead man walking now and that’s all on Lvg
At first maybe but to explain his current performances ? He isn't a baby, he should be playing much better than he is.
 

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I hope he finds his previous form. It’s odd thinking that not long ago people thought he was the more promising half of his partnership with Wanyama.
 

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I hope he finds his previous form. It’s odd thinking that not long ago people thought he was the more promising half of his partnership with Wanyama.
 

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He gets paid a shit load and it appears he doesn’t even try anymore.
Booing a player who's low on confidence isn't the way to get better performances, in fact it's the exact opposite. Coming on for 10 minutes in a game Everton were dominating and up by 3 was the perfect time to build his confidence and get better performances, no chance of that now.
 

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Did we really get £20m+ for this coward?
that basically sums up our scouting and recruitment post Fergie. That’s supposedly a former international player in his prime. He’s obviously very mentally weak and you couldn’t argue that way too many of our signings have lacked the required mentality to excel here.
 

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Wow. He looked really good at Southampton. But he's been shit ever since his move to Utd in 2015.
 

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Schneiderlin was one of those players who was in the right team at the right time, with Southampton. Average player outside of that specific team.
 

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To think, off all the Southampton players we ended up with his dud. Meanwhile Liverpool got mane, lallana, VVD.
 

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A cautionary tale for those clamouring for Maddison or Grealish. They are similarly placed in their careers as Morgan was when he moved. What guarantees that they will not follow similar trajectory?
 

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The music is awful but a few times in that compilation of his work at Southampton you see him harrying players and winning the ball back. He has struggled on the ball too, but it's off the ball where since signing for us he has just disappeared as a footballer and whereas with the likes of Matic it's a physical decline that leaves him unable to track runners from midfield, at United and now at Everton opponents have free reign to waltz into the box from deep because as that latest video shows Morgan is not in the slightest bit interested in stopping them.

Coward is a word bandied all too often about players but since 2015 he has embodied the term with his pathetic defensive efforts, and I'm at the point where I'm wondering if he suffered some personal trauma that broke his enthusiasm for the game.
 

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Just one of the many, many players Pochettino got playing way above their level.
 

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Just shows how a good coach can get the best out of players.
Yep, but we should all know that anyway considering the amount of player Sir Alex got playing above their level to win countless titles and cups! :D
 

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A cautionary tale for those clamouring for Maddison or Grealish. They are similarly placed in their careers as Morgan was when he moved. What guarantees that they will not follow similar trajectory?
Grealish at least has a lot more about him.
 

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A cautionary tale for those clamouring for Maddison or Grealish. They are similarly placed in their careers as Morgan was when he moved. What guarantees that they will not follow similar trajectory?
Or they could follow the trajectories of players like Carrick or Lampard. Every signing is a gamble, of course, but I wouldn't see anything about that deal that would make me any more nervous about Maddison or Grealish.
 

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Or they could follow the trajectories of players like Carrick or Lampard. Every signing is a gamble, of course, but I wouldn't see anything about that deal that would make me any more nervous about Maddison or Grealish.
They are so ahead of MS it’s laughable really
 

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They are so ahead of MS it’s laughable really
They are so far ahead of whom? Morgan had several virtuoso performances in his 100 odd appearances prior to joining us. He was no Makelele but we knew what we were getting. He then got found out terribly.

Maddison has played just 60 odd games in the PL and Grealish about the same. Is that enough to judge a player will be fit for the cauldron of OT?
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And BT dub, Carrick had 175 PL games before he moved to United and Lampard had 150 odd under his belt before his move to Chelsea. So they were not exactly gambles.
 

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They are so far ahead of whom? Morgan had several virtuoso performances in his 100 odd appearances prior to joining us. He was no Makelele but we knew what we were getting. He then got found out terribly.

Maddison has played just 60 odd games in the PL and Grealish about the same. Is that enough to judge a player will be fit for the cauldron of OT?
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And BT dub, Carrick had 175 PL games before he moved to United and Lampard had 150 odd under his belt before his move to Chelsea. So they were not exactly gambles.
Robertson - Around 50 PL games
Van Dijk - 57 PL games
Wijnaldum - 38 PL games
Henderson - 71 PL games
Mane - 67 PL games
Toby - 26 PL games

Then you have players like Fellaini who played more than 150 PL games before signing for us. There are players who fails to step up and then there are players who improves their game playing for big club.

We can go with Aguero example and say strikers from La Liga are awesome or go with Soldado example and say La Liga strikers are shit.
 

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He looked so good at Soton. I really wanted him here. Jesus how wrong was I.

Me as well, pal.

It wasn’t the first or last time, though. Prospective signings get us all giddy and then a Birtles, Schneiderlin or Sanchez land on us.
 

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I genuinely thought he was going to be absolutely brilliant for us. I was delighted when we signed him as Arsenal were linked at the time too. Didn't turn out so well...
 

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My last post for the day due to the limit...
Robertson - Around 50 PL games
Van Dijk - 57 PL games
Wijnaldum - 38 PL games
Henderson - 71 PL games
Mane - 67 PL games
Toby - 26 PL games

Then you have players like Fellaini who played more than 150 PL games before signing for us. There are players who fails to step up and then there are players who improves their game playing for big club.

We can go with Aguero example and say strikers from La Liga are awesome or go with Soldado example and say La Liga strikers are shit.
I agree that number of games played may not be the definitive criteria for success but it's a risk mitigation criteria for sure. You have given the example of five players who developed drastically due to being in one of the best coaching systems in the world. I hope you do agree that Klopp has extracted so much more from his players than any other manager of late.

Regarding Fellaini, Everton had used him successfully as a battering ram and a nasty cnut when required. We tried to use him as a proper midfielder. Which he never was.

Aguero is a generational talent. I cannot compare his success with others. Soldado's qualities were never utilized due to system played by Tottenham. He was a box player not a guy capable of being the lone forward.

I never said Grealish or Maddison are destined to fail. I said we should be cautious, not so exuberant that either of these or both will solve our problems overnight.
 

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I agree that number of games played may not be the definitive criteria for success but it's a risk mitigation criteria for sure. You have given the example of five players who developed drastically due to being in one of the best coaching systems in the world. I hope you do agree that Klopp has extracted so much more from his players than any other manager of late.

Regarding Fellaini, Everton had used him successfully as a battering ram and a nasty cnut when required. We tried to use him as a proper midfielder. Which he never was.

Aguero is a generational talent. I cannot compare his success with others. Soldado's qualities were never utilized due to system played by Tottenham. He was a box player not a guy capable of being the lone forward.

I never said Grealish or Maddison are destined to fail. I said we should be cautious, not so exuberant that either of these or both will solve our problems overnight.
I gave those examples as they were recent ones, there will be plenty of players who played less than 100 league games before moving to PL club.

Every player is different, scouts/recruitment team should analyze their strengths, weakness, mentality instead of looking at other examples.
 

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Is it a mental thing? He joined us and was suddenly a quarter of the player he was before. LVG wasn't the best manager for a player like him in the team, but still. Amazing fall from grace when he joined us.
 

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Just one of the many, many players Pochettino got playing way above their level.
Indeed, but he was already on the up when Poch arrived there. He was impressive (and scored) against us in a cracking game soon after they were promoted.
 

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No exaggeration to say he's the most hated Everton player in generations.
 

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Except his last 2 seasons at Southampton he wasn't coached by Pochettino and he was playing better than he did in his last season with Pochettino.
Last two? Didn't Poch join Spurs in 14/15 and Schneiderlin join us in 15/16?

I don't remember his form outside of Pochettino, though. Pochettino's Southampton team were one of my favourite teams to watch. He got everyone playing above their level and turned them into a pressing machine.

It's why I wanted him here as early as 2013 as Fergie's replacement.
Indeed, but he was already on the up when Poch arrived there. He was impressive (and scored) against us in a cracking game soon after they were promoted.
The one where RvP scored a hattrick? That's all I remember from that game!
 

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Last two? Didn't Poch join Spurs in 14/15 and Schneiderlin join us in 15/16?

I don't remember his form outside of Pochettino, though. Pochettino's Southampton team were one of my favourite teams to watch. He got everyone playing above their level and turned them into a pressing machine.

It's why I wanted him here as early as 2013 as Fergie's replacement.

The one where RvP scored a hattrick? That's all I remember from that game!
That’s the one. Two of the goals right at the end. Soton were still managed by Adkins and were playing some lovely stuff. It wasn’t xenophobia alone that made people up in arms when he was sacked.

Despite that, Poch had moved them up to a different level by the time of the reverse fixture. They still lost though!
 

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Me as well, pal.

It wasn’t the first or last time, though. Prospective signings get us all giddy and then a Birtles, Schneiderlin or Sanchez land on us.
I was never sure about Sanchez, but I was positive Schneirderlin was exactly what we needed. In a summer with all those galactico names he was the one I really thought would elevate us..
 

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He was immense in that Chelsea game but yeah, his whole post Southampton career has been dreadful. Decent enough bloke but he’s spineless and when you’re a CDM that’s just not going to cut it.

Our whole midfield is a shambles though. Both him and Gylfi (creates some chances but has dipped heavily since last year and is just as weak as him) need to leave at the end of the season and we need to invest heavily there. We have been super unlucky with the Gomes and Gbamin injuries and they’ve had a big impact to our season so far.

I know people also like to hate Davies but I like that he actually has passion. He needs to improve his ability and consistency a lot but I’m hoping he will kick on like McTominay with you lot. We bloody need him to.