Red Dreams
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the fear is it can be real now.What a movie. They just don't make them like that anymore.
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the fear is it can be real now.What a movie. They just don't make them like that anymore.
Exactly.Was it?
Imagine letting people freely spread the news about a deadly virus. People would panic and flee the affected areas, carrying the disease everywhere.
Is it in China's best interest to reveal the real figure? Whatever has to be done is already being done, revealing the real figures, if any, will only cause panic.Whatever they do it is too late, the virus is already out there, in the wild, worldwide.
But WELDING people inside of buildings is never a solution ffs.
Also I actually believe those tencent figures to be closer to the truth sadly, I can't trust China to reveal the real figure.
Scary.
They did flee the area carrying the disease everywhere. As they did with SARS, under the same inept, autocratic government. Censoring news and information prevents citizens, foreign governments and medical workers from implementing strategies to prevent the spread of the virus. Hence 35,000 infections worldwide, if not more.Was it?
Imagine letting people freely spread the news about a deadly virus. People would panic and flee the affected areas, carrying the disease everywhere.
Risk assessment and disease prevention is based on accurate, up to date epidemiological and pathophysiogical information. China not revealing the figure and being secretive in no way helps the people in charge in other countries develop strategies to combat the infection. Read up on SARS, they were universally condemned and blamed for the spread of the infection. These infections cannot be controlled by a single government entity and scientific openness, political diplomacy and worldwide cooperation are necessary. That’s how science works and is the reason China is fecking up, and will continue to do so. They were praised for their early sharing of data, as they should have been, and they will rightfully be condemned if they are then shown to have hidden vital information. If your priority is to face save then public health will always come second to the detriment of everyone. They are not doing this to prevent panic, but to prevent criticism.Exactly.
Is it in China's best interest to reveal the real figure? Whatever has to be done is already being done, revealing the real figures, if any, will only cause panic.
And restricting what the rest of the world knows, preventing any possible action is fantastic right?What? People are already dying. You have any way of stopping a virus spreading that doesn't involve a lockdown? What they're doing is what I would recommend done. Quarantine, seal, lock, control the spread. And no one better than a single minded autocratic entity to implement it.
Have they hidden clinical data? Or have they just downplayed the numbers?Risk assessment and disease prevention is based on accurate, up to date epidemiological and pathophysiogical information. China not revealing the figure and being secretive in no way helps the people in charge in other countries develop strategies to combat the infection. Read up on SARS, they were universally condemned and blamed for the spread of the infection. These infections cannot be controlled by a single government entity and scientific openness, political diplomacy and worldwide cooperation are necessary. That’s how science works and is the reason China is fecking up, and will continue to do so. They were praised for their early sharing of data, as they should have been, and they will rightfully be condemned if they are then shown to have hidden vital information. If your priority is to face save then public health will always come second to the detriment of everyone. They are not doing this to prevent panic, but to prevent criticism.
I'm commenting about the people oohing and aahing about the padlocks. If thats whats needed to contain the spread, then thats what has to be done.And restricting what the rest of the world knows, preventing any possible action is fantastic right?
But yeah, feck the citizens. Who cares who dies as long as it's not us.
It’s the bizarre nature of it. The virus is quite widespread now....I don’t see the purpose of welding specific doors shut. It all hints to something more sinister under the surfaceThat's just stage 1 right. Surely we've seen enough movies by now to know what stage 2 is?
You also aren't commenting on the restriction of information either.Have they hidden clinical data? Or have they just downplayed the numbers?
I'm commenting about the people oohing and aahing about the padlocks. If thats whats needed to contain the spread, then thats what has to be done.
Well saidRisk assessment and disease prevention is based on accurate, up to date epidemiological and pathophysiogical information. China not revealing the figure and being secretive in no way helps the people in charge in other countries develop strategies to combat the infection. Read up on SARS, they were universally condemned and blamed for the spread of the infection. These infections cannot be controlled by a single government entity and scientific openness, political diplomacy and worldwide cooperation are necessary. That’s how science works and is the reason China is fecking up, and will continue to do so. They were praised for their early sharing of data, as they should have been, and they will rightfully be condemned if they are then shown to have hidden vital information. If your priority is to face save then public health will always come second to the detriment of everyone. They are not doing this to prevent panic, but to prevent criticism.
Probably not, mortality rate is likely less than 1% and most dangerous for the very young/old or immunodeficient people.So, the owner of my company came into my office after a month in Hong Kong last week, and around the same time, I came down with a cold and cough that I can't get rid of.
Am I going to die?
I'd argue that China isn't a true communist country (albeit a pretty pedantic point), not that communism works anyway.Pretty sure we're going to hear more about a cover-up in the coming days. This is why communism doesn't work.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...d-censored-information-in-coronavirus-outbrea
I suspect china will report lower growth than anticipated.I’m interested to see how it affects China’s economy. I’m no expert on it, but China’s economic growth is slow at the moment, and enforced closures of businesses are sure to have a big effect? Seeing as expansive economic growth is key to the CCP, how do they balance containing the virus with stimulating the economy
It's not just China's economy we need to be worried about.I’m interested to see how it affects China’s economy. I’m no expert on it, but China’s economic growth is slow at the moment, and enforced closures of businesses are sure to have a big effect? Seeing as expansive economic growth is key to the CCP, how do they balance containing the virus with stimulating the economy
Go away. Just lock people up like live stock and leave them to their own devices... imagine that happening to your own family, I doubt you'd be so supportive.The Chinese governments lack of concern for its citizens might be exactly whats needed to nip this in the bud. I know everyone likes to hate on them for being autocrats, but I feel its brutality in trying to stamp out this virus is well placed.
This is not on.The Chinese governments lack of concern for its citizens might be exactly whats needed to nip this in the bud. I know everyone likes to hate on them for being autocrats, but I feel its brutality in trying to stamp out this virus is well placed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51439450The number of people killed by the new coronavirus rose by 97 on Sunday, the highest number of casualties in a day.
Across China, 40,171 people are infected while 187,518 are under medical observation.
Ignoring the heartlessness of that sort of cold logic, China's apparent lockdown quarantine policy may prove counter-productive for a number of reasons. The was a mass exedus from Wuhan as soon as they heard a lockdown might be coming, people will now be doing everything they can to get out, it encourages people to hide symptoms, etc.The Chinese governments lack of concern for its citizens might be exactly whats needed to nip this in the bud. I know everyone likes to hate on them for being autocrats, but I feel its brutality in trying to stamp out this virus is well placed.
By the sounds of it It's essentially so they can enforce quarantine and stop relying on voluntary self-isolation.Declared a a serious and imminent threat to public health in the UK now.
Think this is so that it opens up more powers to fight it and not because the threat to the public is any different than it already was.
Yes. Look on the bright side you won’t have to see klopps big smile on every tv channel when Liverpool get the PL trophySo, the owner of my company came into my office after a month in Hong Kong last week, and around the same time, I came down with a cold and cough that I can't get rid of.
Am I going to die?
According to the BBC they're doing it because one of the people in quarantine was threatening to walk outDeclared a a serious and imminent threat to public health in the UK now.
Think this is so that it opens up more powers to fight it and not because the threat to the public is any different than it already was.
Take me now, Lord!Yes. Look on the bright side you won’t have to see klopps big smile on every tv channel when Liverpool get the PL trophy
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Is it really feasible to hide 80,000 deaths?So a billionare in China believes that there have been atleast 80,000 deaths - most of which are hidden from the public.
I doubt Brighton will be worse than anywhere else by then, not well-populated places anyway, they'll all have it.Ok. I'm supposed to be going to Brighton in a few weeks for a gig. Starting to feel like that might not be a good idea.
Well, they hid the virus for a month.Is it really feasible to hide 80,000 deaths?
Excellent. You've put me at ease.I doubt Brighton will be worse than anywhere else by then, not well-populated places anyway, they'll all have it.
Hmm. Good point - but hiding knowledge of a strand of virus would be a lot easier than managing to hide 80,000 people actually dying..Well, they hid the virus for a month.
Who's packing a few infected with a few million uninfected? They're packing the uninfected with the uninfected and the infected with infected. Basically isolating the virus.Ignoring the heartlessness of that sort of cold logic, China's apparent lockdown quarantine policy may prove counter-productive for a number of reasons. The was a mass exedus from Wuhan as soon as they heard a lockdown might be coming, people will now be doing everything they can to get out, it encourages people to hide symptoms, etc.
It appears this thing can be brought under control just by everybody washing their hands regularly and obeying basic cough/sneeze etiquate, its not all THAT infectious. Pack a few infected in with a few million uninfected though? hmm.
Would you put it past them? If the rumours are to be believed, they wiped out the whistleblowers too. The entire country has been quarantined - not many people will be aware of whats going on around them.Hmm. Good point - but hiding knowledge of a strand of virus would be a lot easier than managing to hide 80,000 people actually dying..