What would make you change your opinion on Ole

[James Ward]

A team built by Mourinho to work under his specific philosophy and tactics.

OGS is trying to play a different way. Requires players with different qualities.

Surely you have the intelligence and nuance to understand this?

Its up to the manager to adapt to the current players he has at his disposal and to get the best out of them. Ole is not doing this. Why does he insist on this counter attacking football when its not working against the smaller teams. With the players Ole has at his disposal he has us 9th.

Ole is getting no-where near the best out of the current set of players we currently have. What happens when he signs the players he wants? We still won't be any good with Ole in charge.

Any match we play you can see we are setup awful, particularly against teams who sit back. He has no clue about how to break them down.

What makes you think we will be any better if we spend another 200 million with Ole in charge?

How do you not understand this?

 

[R'hllor]

I'm not one of those guys who thinks Ole should not continue. In fact i want Poch to take over at City and want Ole to continue. I have 2 reasons, one- he's done all the work in cleaning up the deadwood regardless of their stature in the squad or their personality. He really got the squad trimmed up with quality players and has virtually sent out every player we shouldn't keep at United. Jones will go soon but he's got almost everyone out. Secondly, he has the best team of experts as a coaching staff to help him in terms of playing positions, tactics, rotation and so on. Anyone who comes in after this will take a long time with this squad to succeed but if we gave Ole some time, i think he can bring a massive change in the way we play and in our results. Keep patience and see the magic happen. OLE AT THE WHEEL!

Mods give this guy a like, he worked for it or ban him for being bad at trollin.

 

[OleTheGreat]

You're trolling surely right ? Please say you're trolling.

No, i'm not! Mike Phelan, Carrick and Mckenna are not bad coaches. Remember they cannot get on the pitch and do everything. I think we need give the team sometime and wait until the summer to see what "the turd" Ed will do

 

[el3mel]

No, i'm not! Mike Phelan, Carrick and Mckenna are not bad coaches. Remember they cannot get on the pitch and do everything. I think we need give the team sometime and wait until the summer to see what "the turd" Ed will do

You said he has a team of "expert" coaching stuff. I'm not sure Carrick and McKenna fit the criteria here.

 

[James Ward]

No, i'm not! Mike Phelan, Carrick and Mckenna are not bad coaches. Remember they cannot get on the pitch and do everything. I think we need give the team sometime and wait until the summer to see what "the turd" Ed will do

Going by what's happening on the pitch there terrible coaches and Ole is a terrible manager. Ed does not influence their style on the pitch so it's not all down to him. I think Sir Alex just made MP look good.

 

[Foxbatt]

We had good coaches in Steve McLaren and Carlos Quiroz and later Rene. These are great coaches but not good managers. When you have a combination of a bad manager and terrible coaches this is what happens.

 

[100]

Definitely gone at the end of the season if he loses this. We'll be 9th, 5 points off 14th placed Palace. You can no longer dress it up with the proximity to top 4.

Big game.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

No, i'm not! Mike Phelan, Carrick and Mckenna are not bad coaches. Remember they cannot get on the pitch and do everything. I think we need give the team sometime and wait until the summer to see what "the turd" Ed will do

The same McKenna whose training sessions the players are reportedly unhappy with?

 

[Kurton]

You're trolling surely right ? Please say you're trolling.

His username should give you a hint about him being a troll I think.

 

[Dve]

I remember a thread created, where we listed our predictions for the season.
I stated that we'd finish 8th and this season is a write-off.
I don't believe that anybody predicted as low a finish as I did. Many were predicting top 3. Some even thought that we'd win the title. Basically, I was by far the most pessimistic.

The problem we have is not just Ole (Ole is the worst manager in the EPL), but the rest of the employees of the club. From top to bottom we have people who should not be in their roles.
A new manager can definitely get more out of ths squad, but until a wholesale change takes place, 4th-7th place is realistically what we should expect. Even Jose (elite level manager, serial winner, etc) could get us 'only' 2nd and needed another cash injection to take us closer to 1st (which the board are unwilling to do).

I've long said that while Woodward is here, we will not win the league. I stand by that and believe this now more than ever.

I agree that we need better players to challenge for the title. Sancho, Maddison/Grealish and a world class nr. 9 for a start. Maybe a better manager as well, although I wait for the end of the season to conclude on that. All that can be brought also with Woodward, so I disagree with your last point. The main thing is that who ever the manager is, he should be given enough time to build a squad more looking like a unit. And meanwhile the fans are shouting for another manager to be sacked.

 

[sammsky1]

Its up to the manager to adapt to the current players he has at his disposal and to get the best out of them. Ole is not doing this. Why does he insist on this counter attacking football when its not working against the smaller teams. With the players Ole has at his disposal he has us 9th.

Ole is getting no-where near the best out of the current set of players we currently have. What happens when he signs the players he wants? We still won't be any good with Ole in charge.

Any match we play you can see we are setup awful, particularly against teams who sit back. He has no clue about how to break them down.

What makes you think we will be any better if we spend another 200 million with Ole in charge?

How do you not understand this?

yeah?

 

[James Ward]

yeah?

Yeah what? We beat a very bad Chelsea side and we were awful as well. You swear we won the league. We are still 7th where we should be comfortably in the champions league spots. Did you actually like our attacking play play today? We were still all over the place as usual with no system in place.

We still have drawn 8 and lost 8 all season and only won 10 out of 26 games.

One game isn't going to change my opinion of him. Is top four realistic after this win? I still think We won't be anywhere near it come the end of the season.

 

[The Boy]

Its up to the manager to adapt to the current players he has at his disposal and to get the best out of them. Ole is not doing this. Why does he insist on this counter attacking football when its not working against the smaller teams. With the players Ole has at his disposal he has us 9th.

Ole is getting no-where near the best out of the current set of players we currently have. What happens when he signs the players he wants? We still won't be any good with Ole in charge.

Any match we play you can see we are setup awful, particularly against teams who sit back. He has no clue about how to break them down.

What makes you think we will be any better if we spend another 200 million with Ole in charge?

How do you not understand this?

I agree with the first sentence, ie Ole has not got enough from this team yet. But the rest is questionable.

The narrative about not being able to break teams down who sit back is only partially true, yes you've looked clueless at times, but also you've scored against them as well, you scored a couple against Burnley, also Villa, Newcastle etc. I think you're problem has been that you're just erratic with no consistency. The set up is not always awful either, it's not always brilliant, but the way you played against Liverpool, City and Tottenham for example you tactically outwitted them all in those games.

The players he's signed are improving, AWB is getting better going forward, Harry Maguire is under rated I think on this forum, James is developing and Bruno looks great so far.

But to bring this back to the OP what could Ole do to change your mind?

 

[Gasolin]

Its up to the manager to adapt to the current players he has at his disposal and to get the best out of them. Ole is not doing this. Why does he insist on this counter attacking football when its not working against the smaller teams. With the players Ole has at his disposal he has us 9th.

Ole is getting no-where near the best out of the current set of players we currently have. What happens when he signs the players he wants? We still won't be any good with Ole in charge.

Any match we play you can see we are setup awful, particularly against teams who sit back. He has no clue about how to break them down.

What makes you think we will be any better if we spend another 200 million with Ole in charge?

How do you not understand this?

He did this last season when he took over. After they seem to agree on a cultural reset, it seems he's changing the tactics to play a bit differently, with a different vision. Hence, the players were no more adequate. This current squad could have accommodated Lukaku, or even Sanchez up to a point. Even Herrera, but it was not the way we wanted to play, we decided to play differently apparently.

I think if the team can show unity, that's what matters in big games. In smaller games, individual qualities will provoke more mistakes and give us a chance to score. Let's see how we do in the next PL game.

I fully disagree about having no clue for lower block. We have tried different players and asked them to create, when this didn't work out, he switched to asking the full backs to create instead and have a functional midfield to block, cut and pass simple. So we are trying different things. I think we need to see a bit more what we can do in that register, but so far, he has tried a lot of things to compensate the fact that we have lost a lot of creativity in the midfield due to injuries.

 

[Class of 63]

I am Ole out and have been for a while. There is nothing he can do to change my mind because I am tired of having endless hope with no substance. Ole will always be a legend in my mind but his ability as a manager and coach belongs in Europes lower leagues. He has been beyond terrible, worse than Moyes. He has now spent a gross amount of almost 200m but stripped the squad so thin it had no impact. In fact, defence is where I expected us to be good but we have been really poor and without many injuries apart from left back and we all know that position is still up for debate. The thing that really frightens me about Ole is how he still insists Lingard should be part of the squad. I don't wonder why Gomes would want to leave because even in the 6 games he has played, he has showed a lot more ability than Jesse. Andreas is also a terrible player but seeing as we don't have anyone there, i will let Ole off. No style, no plan b, poor defending, cannot open a defence, side way passes, no triangles, no press are all reason why he should not even manage a relegation team and he showed that when at Cardiff. Ole has one new lease of life, i hope he starts picking up the points as he now has Fernandes to create. Mctominay and Pogba are max 4 weeks away so should be back for the last push where we have a decent run of games. 10 wins would make me happy, but it will not be enough unless there is a drastic change in style of play. Fed up of "trying" to counter attack.

We've kept 6 clean sheets in the last 8 games, I know you should always strive for perfection, but ....

 

[Class of 63]

A manager's "start" isn't 4-5 years @The Boy. That's more than 95% of manager's ever stay in a job.

Longer than Conte has ever managed one club, longer than Pep has ever managed one club, and I'm sure there are a feck tonne of other examples.

Fergie's start was excellent, and that was the point, then it wobbled to feck for a while. If you're gonna compare Ole's start, and that's exactly what sammsky did, then expect Ole to quickly and massively improve the situation he took over before giving him all the blind faith in the World.

That's the massive difference here, even taking away the incredible things he did at Aberdeen, Fergie had a terrific start and earned his time and patience. As you mentioned, even is his shittest of seasons he won the F.A Cup and Cup Winners Cup, instilling a winning mentality. There's only one other United manager since SAF who's "start" could be compared to this, and it aint Ole Gunnar.

Fergie's excellent start!?

Are you sure? I was at the Oxford United match where we started 19th in the League and though we lost 2-0 that was probably the best we played for the remainder of the season, it was hard watching 90% of the time, and the last few home matches of the season were at testimonial pace.

 

[Class of 63]

The same McKenna whose training sessions the players are reportedly unhappy with?

You don't have to believe everything that's reported you know.

 

[SteveW]

Fergie's excellent start!?

Are you sure? I was at the Oxford United match where we started 19th in the League and though we lost 2-0 that was probably the best we played for the remainder of the season, it was hard watching 90% of the time, and the last few home matches of the season were at testimonial pace.

Truth doesn't matter to these people. It's all about pushing false narratives.

 

[The Boy]

Erm.. SAF did not have a torrid time to start with at the club, how can you know so little about your own club and it’s biggest legend @sammsky1 ?

In the time Ole has been manager SAF had taken United from 21st to 2nd, and finished that first full season in 2nd with a 57.5% win-rate.

Night and Day to the shit we’ve been served up during Ole’s start, yet used once again in this debate by an extremely misinformed Manchester United fan.

A manager's "start" isn't 4-5 years @The Boy. That's more than 95% of manager's ever stay in a job.

Longer than Conte has ever managed one club, longer than Pep has ever managed one club, and I'm sure there are a feck tonne of other examples.

Fergie's start was excellent, and that was the point, then it wobbled to feck for a while. If you're gonna compare Ole's start, and that's exactly what sammsky did, then expect Ole to quickly and massively improve the situation he took over before giving him all the blind faith in the World.

That's the massive difference here, even taking away the incredible things he did at Aberdeen, Fergie had a terrific start and earned his time and patience. As you mentioned, even is his shittest of seasons he won the F.A Cup and Cup Winners Cup, instilling a winning mentality. There's only one other United manager since SAF who's "start" could be compared to this, and it aint Ole Gunnar.

I wasn't disputing your facts, he did make 2nd in his second season, I was calling out the dismissive and frankly rude way you dismissed @sammsky1

Fergie's excellent start!?

Are you sure? I was at the Oxford United match where we started 19th in the League and though we lost 2-0 that was probably the best we played for the remainder of the season, it was hard watching 90% of the time, and the last few home matches of the season were at testimonial pace.

I don't know if you were alive or attending or following United in the mid to late 80s @Regulus Arcturus Black but plenty of United fans and others were using far stronger words than torrid for Ferguson's reign at OT during those years. To state his start was excellent would be to disagree with the vast majority of fans around at the time as seen from the post above, where as to say his start was torrid is a pretty good reflection of the feeling amongst football fans.

 

[Class of 63]

Truth doesn't matter to these people. It's all about pushing false narratives.

Yep, and sadly people buy it.

 

[SteveW]

He did this last season when he took over. After they seem to agree on a cultural reset, it seems he's changing the tactics to play a bit differently, with a different vision. Hence, the players were no more adequate. This current squad could have accommodated Lukaku, or even Sanchez up to a point. Even Herrera, but it was not the way we wanted to play, we decided to play differently apparently.

I think if the team can show unity, that's what matters in big games. In smaller games, individual qualities will provoke more mistakes and give us a chance to score. Let's see how we do in the next PL game.

I fully disagree about having no clue for lower block. We have tried different players and asked them to create, when this didn't work out, he switched to asking the full backs to create instead and have a functional midfield to block, cut and pass simple. So we are trying different things. I think we need to see a bit more what we can do in that register, but so far, he has tried a lot of things to compensate the fact that we have lost a lot of creativity in the midfield due to injuries.

This is what most people don't seem to understand. Breaking down a low block isn't really down to anything tactical or coached. It's about having players who can provide a quality pass, cross, shot etc. Teams will sit in and if you don't have enough talent in your side they will be pretty comfortable a lot of the time as long as they just hold their shape and let you play in front of them or whip bad crosses in.

Having players who can pass through the lines, dribble past a player or shoot from distance is what forces defenders to actually make decisions and come out of their shape. Whereas they will let someone like Andreas have the ball in front of them, defenders are forced to close down someone like Bruno because they know he has the quality to hurt them if they give him any time on the ball. This pulls defences out of their shape and creates room for others. The better teams tend to have 2 or 3 players like this in the midfield or wide attacking areas. City have about 4 on the pitch most of the time. Without Pogba we haven't really had that. Players like Matic, Fred, Lingard, McTominay and Pereira can really just rotate possession around in front of teams with little end product.

One or two players can make a big difference. Some of the older posters will remember how much trouble United where having creating chances under SAF before Cantona was signed. His creativity opened everything up. Hopefully Bruno can have a similar effect. Add Sancho or Grealish in and it will get better still as we can hurt teams from different areas. This isn't a new concept. But it seems to have been forgotten on here as people developed this weird idea that you can just coach very limited players to waltz through low blocks. It doesn't actually happen in reality.

 

[Class of 63]

I wasn't disputing your facts, he did make 2nd in his second season, I was calling out the dismissive and frankly rude way you dismissed @sammsky1



I don't know if you were alive or attending or following United in the mid to late 80s @Regulus Arcturus Black but plenty of United fans and others were using far stronger words than torrid for Ferguson's reign at OT during those years. To state his start was excellent would be to disagree with the vast majority of fans around at the time as seen from the post above, where as to say his start was torrid is a pretty good reflection of the feeling amongst football fans.

The "Tara Fergie" stuff was weird, and it was only a very very small % of match-goers, but Sexton and Atkinson before him never got the same, not even close, we were kinda this is our lot if we don't like it we don't have to go, then Saturday came and we went - maybe with SAF it was because he'd been so successful at Aberdeen that some fans thought he'd just do the same at United. If only football was that simple.

 

[Bobcat]

This is what most people don't seem to understand. Breaking down a low block isn't really down to anything tactical or coached. It's about having players who can provide a quality pass, cross, shot etc. Teams will sit in and if you don't have enough talent in your side they will be pretty comfortable a lot of the time as long as they just hold their shape and let you play in front of them or whip bad crosses in.

Having players who can pass through the lines, dribble past a player or shoot from distance is what forces defenders to actually make decisions and come out of their shape. Whereas they will let someone like Andreas have the ball in front of them, defenders are forced to close down someone like Bruno because they know he has the quality to hurt them if they give him any time on the ball. This pulls defences out of their shape and creates room for others. The better teams tend to have 2 or 3 players like this in the midfield or wide attacking areas. City have about 4 on the pitch most of the time. Without Pogba we haven't really had that. Players like Matic, Fred, Lingard, McTominay and Pereira can really just rotate possession around in front of teams with little end product.

One or two players can make a big difference. Some of the older posters will remember how much trouble United where having creating chances under SAF before Cantona was signed. His creativity opened everything up. Hopefully Bruno can have a similar effect. Add Sancho or Grealish in and it will get better still as we can hurt teams from different areas. This isn't a new concept. But it seems to have been forgotten on here as people developed this weird idea that you can just coach very limited players to waltz through low blocks. It doesn't actually happen in reality.

Well there is one way to beat low blocks without individual quality, but that is what most people would call shithouse tactics where you punt the ball in to 1-2 big players and hope they can get their head to it, and if they dont score at least they can create some chaos in the box. Remember Jose's plan B? Fellaini as a striker and punt, punt, punt. People hated it, but it worked

We dont have that kind of player any longer, so with the lack of individual quality we try and pass it around them instead. With 9 player+their GK all defending from 25 yard and in thats nearly impossible

 

[SteveW]

Well there is one way to beat low blocks without individual quality, but that is what most people would call shithouse tactics where you punt the ball in to 1-2 big players and hope they can get their head to it, and if they dont score at least they can create some chaos in the box. Remember Jose's plan B? Fellaini as a striker and punt, punt, punt. People hated it, but it worked

We dont have that kind of player any longer, so with the lack of individual quality we try and pass it around them instead. With 9 player+their GK all defending from 25 yard and in thats nearly impossible

Exactly. We are working toward something better. Bruno is a first step.

 

[Sky1981]

I'm not one of those guys who thinks Ole should not continue. In fact i want Poch to take over at City and want Ole to continue. I have 2 reasons, one- he's done all the work in cleaning up the deadwood regardless of their stature in the squad or their personality. He really got the squad trimmed up with quality players and has virtually sent out every player we shouldn't keep at United. Jones will go soon but he's got almost everyone out. Secondly, he has the best team of experts as a coaching staff to help him in terms of playing positions, tactics, rotation and so on. Anyone who comes in after this will take a long time with this squad to succeed but if we gave Ole some time, i think he can bring a massive change in the way we play and in our results. Keep patience and see the magic happen. OLE AT THE WHEEL!

You do know that magic is just a collection of a very precise engineering, not something you pulled out of thin air like Merlin. Right?

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

You don't have to believe everything that's reported you know.

I don't, but that has clearly came from somewhere. Far too random to make up.

 

[Mr. Christian]

I’m pro Ole and believe he needs time. Alas, with the recent Fernandes acquisition only top 4 or a cup win will keep him safe.

Next season has to be a serious title challenge

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

[/USER]

I don't know if you were alive or attending or following United in the mid to late 80s @Regulus Arcturus Black but plenty of United fans and others were using far stronger words than torrid for Ferguson's reign at OT during those years. To state his start was excellent would be to disagree with the vast majority of fans around at the time as seen from the post above, where as to say his start was torrid is a pretty good reflection of the feeling amongst football fans.

Was alive, was at the Palace replay, my childhood hero was Robbo.

But Fergie did have an excellent start, 21st to 2nd in 1.5 years. Yes, the football was wank in that first part season, but he took over a struggling side placed 21st, what did anyone expect.

You can twist it however you like but he started brilliantly, then went to shit.

 

[Acole9]

If he starts talking in a Scottish accent and says "Well done Geoff" after every interview.

 

[lysglimt]

Its up to the manager to adapt to the current players he has at his disposal and to get the best out of them. Ole is not doing this. Why does he insist on this counter attacking football when its not working against the smaller teams. With the players Ole has at his disposal he has us 9th.

Ole is getting no-where near the best out of the current set of players we currently have. What happens when he signs the players he wants? We still won't be any good with Ole in charge.

Any match we play you can see we are setup awful, particularly against teams who sit back. He has no clue about how to break them down.

What makes you think we will be any better if we spend another 200 million with Ole in charge?

How do you not understand this?

Considering that he has signed Maguire, Fernandes, AWB and James - I would gladly let him spend Another £200 million, because unlike our previous managers - they look like Money well spent. Sure Maguire was a bit expensive - but he is by far the best central defender we have had since Ferdinand/Vidic.

 

[Bilbo]

This is what most people don't seem to understand. Breaking down a low block isn't really down to anything tactical or coached. It's about having players who can provide a quality pass, cross, shot etc. Teams will sit in and if you don't have enough talent in your side they will be pretty comfortable a lot of the time as long as they just hold their shape and let you play in front of them or whip bad crosses in.

Having players who can pass through the lines, dribble past a player or shoot from distance is what forces defenders to actually make decisions and come out of their shape. Whereas they will let someone like Andreas have the ball in front of them, defenders are forced to close down someone like Bruno because they know he has the quality to hurt them if they give him any time on the ball. This pulls defences out of their shape and creates room for others. The better teams tend to have 2 or 3 players like this in the midfield or wide attacking areas. City have about 4 on the pitch most of the time. Without Pogba we haven't really had that. Players like Matic, Fred, Lingard, McTominay and Pereira can really just rotate possession around in front of teams with little end product.

One or two players can make a big difference. Some of the older posters will remember how much trouble United where having creating chances under SAF before Cantona was signed. His creativity opened everything up. Hopefully Bruno can have a similar effect. Add Sancho or Grealish in and it will get better still as we can hurt teams from different areas. This isn't a new concept. But it seems to have been forgotten on here as people developed this weird idea that you can just coach very limited players to waltz through low blocks. It doesn't actually happen in reality.

Good post

 

[goatboy]

The "Tara Fergie" stuff was weird, and it was only a very very small % of match-goers, but Sexton and Atkinson before him never got the same, not even close, we were kinda this is our lot if we don't like it we don't have to go, then Saturday came and we went - maybe with SAF it was because he'd been so successful at Aberdeen that some fans thought he'd just do the same at United. If only football was that simple.

My first game at OT was the 1-2 defeat to Palace, who'd been dicked 9-0 by the vermin earlier in the season; pretty sure Fergie dropped Hughes to the bench that day and I'm also pretty sure most of the stadium sang "Fergie Out".
My gut feel is many supporters who were there that day carry a small measure of guilt with them about that, myself included, which may explain why some supporters of a certain age protest too much in their haste to justify patience today.

 

[Water Melon]

Ole needs to prove that he is one of the best managers in the world. The best evidence is the scoreline combined with collective play. So far he has been diabolical. None of Ole-outs hate Ole. We just do not think that he is good enough to manage Manchester United, not many managers are anyway. However, if from now on he shows that he can manage this team well, improve individual and collective play, win EL and get us in top 4, I'd be all for giving him another season. Hope he proves us, his doubters wrong. It is a great dream come true when one of your own ex-players becomes a brilliant manager of your club.

 

[lysglimt]

This is harsh on @sammsky1 , though I don't get the SAF Ole comparisons as the game is unrecognisable today to how it was then, his start could easily be described as torrid.

SAF took over in November 1986 you were 21st he pulled you back to 11th
After his first summer he bought in 4 players and yes in the 87/88 season made 2nd
His third season was awful bought in 5 players but at Christmas we all thought you'd be relegated, you ended the 89/90 season 13th but you won the FA Cup
90/91 you finished 6th and lost at Anfield 4-0, but won the cup winners cup

This in no way means Ole will come good but calling someone uninformed and suggest someone knows nothing about Utd or Ferguson because they called this torrid is well over the top. I remember united fans at the time who thought SAF was dreadful.

Sums it up quite well. In the 1989/90 season almost everybody wanted Ferguson gone - but its a question about what to consider early in his United-career. His first season in charge was brilliant - but as you Point out, it all fell to pieces when Ferguson kicked out the old experinced players and replaced them with Ince, Pallister, Phelan and Wallace (Webb was injured)

What a lot of people don't remember is that Ferguson basically sold his entire squad from when he first took charge and replaced them with new players and youngsters:

He kept Robson, Gary Walsh and a young Clayton Blackmore - I think ever other player who started the 1986/87 season was gone when the 1989/90-season started. So in 2.5 years he let 25 or so players leave the club because they weren't good enough, too old, too disturbing to the rest of the squad or too injury-ridden.

And he replaced them with strong characters, strong leaders and players who never were injured - Bruce (leader/never injured), Ince (almost arrogantly confident), Phelan (leader/never injured), Anderson (leader/never injured), McClair (never injured), Hughes (leader/never injured), Irwin (reliable/never injured), Keane (leader/never injured)

You can see that OGS i trying to copy this - by signing Maguire, Fernandes (leaders who never are injured - strong personalities).

 

[crossy1686]

Ole needs to prove that he is one of the best managers in the world. The best evidence is the scoreline combined with collective play. So far he has been diabolical. None of Ole-outs hate Ole. We just do not think that he is good enough to manage Manchester United, not many managers are anyway. However, if from now on he shows that he can manage this team well, improve individual and collective play, win EL and get us in top 4, I'd be all for giving him another season. Hope he proves us, his doubters wrong. It is a great dream come true when one of your own ex-players becomes a brilliant manager of your club.

No he doesn't. He just has to prove he's good enough to manage us and get in the top 4. There's no evidence to suggest the 'best manager in the world' would even succeed at United due to our current set up.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Good start with yesterdays win. Although it was a very chaotic game and tactically even game.
We just had some luck and a great set piece for once.
I give him credit if he has worked more on set pieces now with Bruno.

I said it before that if he can get a great run and momentum going without messing things up
he might desere to keep the job if we win something and get CL football.

 

[Class of 63]

I don't, but that has clearly came from somewhere. Far too random to make up.

It's open season on United and has been for a while, the Owners, the CEO, the Manager, most of the Players have been slated in the press, oh i've an idea, let's start on the Coaches, and let's say it's the foreign lads that have the problem with McKenna, let's getting everybody thinking there's serious division between the English and non English players, oh oh that ties in nicely with Brexit FC, what next, the players aren't happy with the length of the grass at Old Trafford, or on the training pitches?

 

[Class of 63]

My first game at OT was the 1-2 defeat to Palace, who'd been dicked 9-0 by the vermin earlier in the season; pretty sure Fergie dropped Hughes to the bench that day and I'm also pretty sure most of the stadium sang "Fergie Out".
My gut feel is many supporters who were there that day carry a small measure of guilt with them about that, myself included, which may explain why some supporters of a certain age protest too much in their haste to justify patience today.

Don't recall many in the Scoreboard Paddock/K Stand joining in if they did. Anyhow here's the match -

 

[Class of 63]

Sums it up quite well. In the 1989/90 season almost everybody wanted Ferguson gone - but its a question about what to consider early in his United-career. His first season in charge was brilliant - but as you Point out, it all fell to pieces when Ferguson kicked out the old experinced players and replaced them with Ince, Pallister, Phelan and Wallace (Webb was injured)

What a lot of people don't remember is that Ferguson basically sold his entire squad from when he first took charge and replaced them with new players and youngsters:

He kept Robson, Gary Walsh and a young Clayton Blackmore - I think ever other player who started the 1986/87 season was gone when the 1989/90-season started. So in 2.5 years he let 25 or so players leave the club because they weren't good enough, too old, too disturbing to the rest of the squad or too injury-ridden.

And he replaced them with strong characters, strong leaders and players who never were injured - Bruce (leader/never injured), Ince (almost arrogantly confident), Phelan (leader/never injured), Anderson (leader/never injured), McClair (never injured), Hughes (leader/never injured), Irwin (reliable/never injured), Keane (leader/never injured)

You can see that OGS i trying to copy this - by signing Maguire, Fernandes (leaders who never are injured - strong personalities).

Not buying that, at HT at Maine Road in the 5-1 it kicked off big style between the Fergie Ins and Fergie outs, if it hadn't been so sad it would have been funny.

 

[Gehrman]

My problem with Saf analogy is that it can be used for every failing manager. People even brought it up with Moyes. Maybe If Moyes got 6 years he would have been more succcesfull, we never know. Maybe if LVG got 6 years he would have been more succesfull, we don't know. Maybe if Rodgers had stayed 6 years at Liverpool he would have been more succesfull we don't know. You can use it literally for every manager who is struggling.

If you have to bring it up, at least do it only for managers who have proven elsewhere they are world class.

Every single big club in world changes managers frequently, it's not murder, but it's treated like it on here. If Ole meets the clubs target end of the season, then maybe he has deserved another one. If a far better manager is availble who suits our vision I don't know why we shouldn't go for it.