The Firestarter
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The mayor of San Francisco is called London Breed
Nope, that's not what I think and meant by that at all.so you think anyone travelling on non-essential travel now, say a weekend away, deserves insurance if all shops and hotels are closed, the border then also and they get stranded?
Quite certain he means the move isn’t enough for people who already had travel planned and paid for to be compensated by their insurance because travel isn’t “banned”.So you think anyone travelling on non-essential travel now, say a weekend away, deserves cover if all shops and hotels are closed, the border then also and they get stranded?
Somewhere between 2-3 weeks to slow spread. The amount of time it takes to bring the total number of infections down to a manageable level depends on your starting point. China started at 400 and it's 4 weeks pending.Guys, how long before we know for certain if these lockdowns will actually work?
I fear that everything will be for nothing, the virus will keep spreading even after the strong measures and the crippled economy will doom the lower class, especially in poor countries.
Yeah, that's a pretty fair take. Scary times either way.That's been the biggest question in all this. Trying to find the balance between fewest deaths because of the virus and fewest deaths because of the economy is the hardest thing. All the statistics seem to suggest though that if left to run it's own course, the number of deaths could be in the millions, partly directly from the virus and mostly from the sheer strain on health services.
We're in uncharted territory and we will only really know who had the best idea when it's all over and we analyse the different response models and outcomes.
FFS. Did she keep her pornstar name?The mayor of San Francisco is called London Breed
I worked at the Lancet, only as an admin bod mind. Although he was a bit arrogant at times he seemed a very ethical, honest guy. I don't think anyone can interpret this as political points scoring but instead it's genuine dismay at what's happened.This bloke says different.
For the record, he's the editor of The Lancet
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You could be the caf's case study on that!Silly Question time: I normally go around at night taking photos in my hometown. I do it alone and if I don't touch anything there's zero chance I can get this, right?
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If I'm promised a nice tagline I'd be up for it.You could be the caf's case study on that!
You’ll be fine.Silly Question time: I normally go around at night taking photos in my hometown. I do it alone and if I don't touch anything there's zero chance I can get this, right?
@DamienIf I'm promised a nice tagline I'd be up for it.
Oh sorry, missed that response initially between different replies.This last response I made to you, would be my comment on this. I'm not sure how qualified we are to otherwise make the strong conclusion that you are.
Spanish flu, is called the Spanish flu because nobody else reported it. It didn't originate in Spain.Did people really hate on the Spanish for Spanish flu?
There's more chance you get hit by a car.Silly Question time: I normally go around at night taking photos in my hometown. I do it alone and if I don't touch anything there's zero chance I can get this, right?
Hope your neighbours remember to draw the curtains.Silly Question time: I normally go around at night taking photos in my hometown. I do it alone and if I don't touch anything there's zero chance I can get this, right?
That would defeat his purpose.Hope your neighbours remember to draw the curtains.
Butting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.missed the start of this, but surely something has to change in china in some way shape or form, do you not agree?
Is that you, @Sassy Colin?Silly Question time: I normally go around at night taking photos in my hometown. I do it alone and if I don't touch anything there's zero chance I can get this, right?
I think the western govts showed exactly where they stand, when they refused to put in place travel restrictions to China when this thing started.Butting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.
This can't go unchallenged.
The PC crowd? Its just science isn't it? Viruses mutate and spread between animals all the time, humans being just another animal that gets infected from and passes infections onto other mammals. This has happenned since the dawn of time. I'm not sure there is much China could have done to prevent it.No doubt coming from the PC crowd running around branding everything under the sun racist.
I mean the clue is in the name that the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome didn't originate in China...Butting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.
This can't go unchallenged.
When SARS happened they closed the wet wildlife trade but then reopened it, in 100% sure this time it will not be reopened as this is affecting the whole world and there will be international backlash if they didButting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.
This can't go unchallenged.
You’ll be fine.
CheersThere's more chance you get hit by a car.
Most don't.Hope your neighbours remember to draw the curtains.
Not them.Butting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.
This can't go unchallenged.
Posting this again, just in case...Cheers
Most don't.
There's more chance you get hit by a car.
I go around parks and abandoned areas, so getting mugged is my only concern.Posting this again, just in case...
You should obviously be complying with whatever national guidance you have, but most countries are letting people go outside for exercise and mental health. It's the social interaction that needs to be limited. I think if I needed some fresh air, I'd be driving somewhere fairly remote, as we long we would be allowed to get there.I go around parks and abandoned areas, so getting mugged is my only concern.
That would defeat his purpose.
It's not always them and a clue lies in the name of one of the acronyms you just used. There have been transfers from consumption of vectors in Africa too in the last century although China's population densities and productionised wet markets does make it a high risk area. This doesn't mean, however, that the global community needs to stop wet markets and the bush meat trades and not just for disease management. Not easy to enforce though.Butting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.
This can't go unchallenged.
that's what the Spanish say.Spanish flu, is called the Spanish flu because nobody else reported it. It didn't originate in Spain.
Oi! Me and @Di Maria's angel are not idiots!I mean even random idiots on the caf turned out to have been right. That's enough to dent my confidence in any government.
Wait MERS? That wasnt in China was it?Butting in here but I totally agree. SARS, MERS and now this. Its always them.
This can't go unchallenged.
.38% is nowhere near the worst that Imperial College is predicting, what on earth are you talking about? Here is the actual word for word assessment of the worst case scenario for the UK from the Imperial College study:At some point we will all have to face the fact that we are going to be seriously impacted. We will either be related to or know someone that dies from this. I am not fobbing this off but trying to put a true perspective on how we should view this.
At some point we will all need to accept a new normal and its going to be hard and adopting a view that .38% is quite small is a part of that adaption. This is the very worst situation that Imperial College is predicting and hopefully the new measures and further measures later in the week will reduce this figure significantly.
.38% isn't going to end our society, it's not the end of the world and we will prevail.
That's twice your figure and doesn't even take into account the excess deaths caused by lack of access to necessary healthcare.in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality.
Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICU beds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined. In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US.
No, it's from Kansas.Wait MERS? That wasnt in China was it?