The government has just put a travel ban on anywhere in the world!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Which government?
Wouldn’t it be better to call it physical distancing so that those who are numpties can understand what’s required?
Wow wow wow! We are innocent, it allegedly started in Kansas.
UK government
It's trying to keep the projected cases present at any one time below the capacity of the health services but not too far below. It's fairly well established what track the disease takes if left unchecked, and what happens under total enforced lockdown. You've probably seen the below chart by now.
Allow the virus to go unchecked and millions may die from the virus and the subsequent destruction of the health system. Lockdown too hard and the virus won't get you but millions may die from the economic destruction. All governments are scrambling to figure out where on the curve of cases they currently are and what they need to do to get as close to the healthcare capacity without breaching it. The complication is that they don't know where they really are at any given time until about 7 days after the fact.
Countries like the UK who are relatively early on don't need quite such strict measures as they have more time to flatten their curves, whereas countries like Italy need strict lockdowns because they are already right at the edge of their healthcare capacity and need to stop the case growth asap.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0317/1123648-garda-coronavirus/
Ireland - another 200,000 jobs to go by weekend? On top of the 140,000 that’s already gone
Ireland - another 200,000 jobs to go by weekend? On top of the 140,000 that’s already gone
I am reading Travellers in the Third Reich: The Rise of Fascism Through the Eyes of Everyday People currently. People's misguided hunger for dictatorships, and the belief that they would never be the ones to suffer under them, will never change.
No, the foreign embassy has advised against all non-essential travel. We recently did the same in Sweden.
No choice really, insurance won't cover you and who knows if you'll get back or even have a hotel, shops, restaurants etc.
of course they will work to a certain degree it’s physically impossible for it not to slow down the spread as long as the majority do what they are told. It’s all doom and gloom atm but the world has coped with worse and recovered when we knew a lot less then we do today. Some businesses will unfortunately crumble but on the other hand some will prosper greatly. We will have a single scientific drive with all the best people in the world heading towards one goal of a cure/vaccination for this new disease.Guys, how long before we know for certain if these lockdowns will actually work?
I fear that everything will be for nothing, the virus will keep spreading even after the strong measures and the crippled economy will doom the lower class, especially in poor countries.
with sensible approaches after the lock down we can keep the spread to a relative minimum with some sacrifices don’t fall into the trap of consuming the media 24/7 it will only make you feel worse.
This bloke says different.
For the record, he's the editor of The Lancet
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This last response I made to you, would be my comment on this. I'm not sure how qualified we are to otherwise make the strong conclusion that you are.
Just seen that ‘non-essential travel’ but they newsreader started with worldwide travel ban.
Agree but
1)The CCP is the second(And possibly after this crisis, the first)biggest superpower in the world. There's no country that can tell them(Let alone force them)to do anything. Plus they've already made changes such as a temporary ban on farming and consumption of "terrestrial wildlife of important ecological, scientific and social value,"
From the little I know(so please someone correct me if I'm wrong)this disease came from wet markets which happens because of parties lobbying the communist government(On the left this is called being a bad communist). This is a issue every government face and well........that's capitalism baby! The same article
Diseases like convid - 19 and the response to them come out from supporting a economic system that produces mass inequity.
2)The crisis has worsened in Europe because of the complete failure of western governments and the hollowness of the current capitalist economy that is keeping them afloat. It isn't anyone fault in Wuhan that the British government(Which gets it's power through the votes of the British public)has destroy the country manufacturing base, so now they are begging private companies to produce ventilators, the people of Wuhan didn't spend the last decade attacking the NHS, it's not the CCP who are refusing to shut downing business, etc etc.
3)Lots of people are stupid and bigoted sadly. Keeping a continued link between Wuhan or China will only lead to bigoted discrimination against any asian person in the west(Again because people are stupid and bigoted).
A combination of government and the companies working together to help fund workers through this difficult time. Similar policies to that of Denmark, Norway and even France.
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I think poor countries will go into anarchy if this continues for even a month more.It's trying to keep the projected cases present at any one time below the capacity of the health services but not too far below. It's fairly well established what track the disease takes if left unchecked, and what happens under total enforced lockdown. You've probably seen the below chart by now.
Allow the virus to go unchecked and millions may die from the virus and the subsequent destruction of the health system. Lockdown too hard and the virus won't get you but millions may die from the economic destruction. All governments are scrambling to figure out where on the curve of cases they currently are and what they need to do to get as close to the healthcare capacity without breaching it. The complication is that they don't know where they really are at any given time until about 7 days after the fact.
Countries like the UK who are relatively early on don't need quite such strict measures as they have more time to flatten their curves, whereas countries like Italy need strict lockdowns because they are already right at the edge of their healthcare capacity and need to stop the case growth asap.
Where I am, probably 60% to 80% of the small and medium-sized businesses will go bankrupt. My family work was already in the worst spot possible, now we might end up on the street, that's how bad the situation is.
Where have you seen that?
We already know a strict enforced lockdown works - WuhanGuys, how long before we know for certain if these lockdowns will actually work?
I fear that everything will be for nothing, the virus will keep spreading even after the strong measures and the crippled economy will doom the lower class, especially in poor countries.
We know suggested social distancing doesn't work - Italy
We will know within the next week if semi-enforced lockdown works - Italy
Yeah, I guess I'm being selfish for thinking about the survival of my whole family as this crisis could finally crush us.
It's easy to feel optimistic if you are from a rich country, no offense.
"Today the Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO) has advised against all non-essential international travel, initially for a period of 30 days. This advice takes effect immediately."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/travel-advice-foreign-secreatary-statement-17-march-2020
On ITV news just there now, it’s advised that any non-essential travel shouldn’t be taken.
You would thought they saved this for the daily presser and kept Raab out of the way. Zero credibility.
That's not a travel ban (yet!)
Yeah newsreader introduced it as a Worldwide travel ban, bit misleading
Not sure if that's the case.
Who knows what information is being withheld and what could happen in a few months. We might see a second wave that proves all the hypothesis in the media to be utterly false.
They're wankers mate. The media are loving this.
Close. Essentially voids all travel insurance, cancels most flights and tells you the government wont be able to help you if you get stranded abroad.
I don't mean to offend you, but that's exactly why they do that.
So people come on social media and spread it.
Yeah, but she is really hot tbf to her
All whilst keeping their insurance friends happy.
My issue is less with the position you're now in and more to do with confidence in the government going forward (though who knows what might have been done differently had suppression been the clear aim from the very start?).
The government will have to make some extremely tough choices and maintaining the confidence of the public will be key to doing that. Undermining themselves (and the science they're basing their decisions on) so early can hamper confidence in future efforts, let alone what's already been done. There will always be loud, critical voices arguing against whatever the government does, often from a position of ignorance. For those voices to have been proven correct so early will only intensify the effect of their criticism on further issues.
For example, if you're a parent in NI then you're seeing your schools being kept open while schools in the state just a few miles down the road are closed. This means that either the virus is stopping at the border or one of the two states is approaching things in a sub-optimal way. Why would you have any confidence that it's your (the UK's) government that are handling it correctly when its initial attempt to deviate from the recommended approach came apart so quickly?
So much of what the government has to do is about managing its people and their responses to different measures. Striking such an early tone of arrogance and confusion is very damaging to that, I think.
I know that but it's quite different to banning all travel, which we aren't at that stage yet. Let's not forget some people are stuck here and others in different countries so the spreading of misinformation could cause distress.
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I expected better from Nina.
Why stop there. (change the 'e' in the url to a 'u')
That's how they get ya!
We already expect a second wave that's part of the hypothesis.
So you think anyone travelling on non-essential travel now, say a weekend away, deserves cover if all shops and hotels are closed, the border then also and they get stranded?
Dude average americans are way worse than our country in such situation and they are from a so called "rich" country.