Is he another virologist ?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Nah, just a PRC fan.
come across a crazy Celtic fan whilst you’ve been there?
TB and AIDS...
About what? Before being a virologist I was a nuclear physicist, before that I managed a football team.... so where would you like me to begin?
@sammsky1 A french prick influencer traveled to Thailand just before the confinement measures and was boasting how he'd be able to train with the open gyms there. A couple of days later, they closed down the gym he was going to and the man got some well deserved abuse on his page
The only thing giving me any sense of hope in this madness is the German numbers. What's going on there?
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Was being sarcastic. Also what you’ve read though my post history to quote was taken out of context, I did what I had to do to protect myself.
This is a horror movie. Not reality.
I know @4bars mentioned that people were flouting the ban in Spain earlier in this thread - I was suprised as it's been really quiet down south - but tonight there's a full on kid's Spanish birthday party* going on down the road from me. Seems like we're fecking idiots too (I'm Brit but in Spain 7 years).
I just don't get it. I can't understand the mentality.
*basically, the entire family potentially 50+ people, flamenco dancing, PA system and it'll be going on til 1 or so in the morning
I just don't get it. I can't understand the mentality.
*basically, the entire family potentially 50+ people, flamenco dancing, PA system and it'll be going on til 1 or so in the morning
Call the cops.
This is wrong. If there are two people in a home and Person A becomes symptomatic, they self isolate for 7 days and Person B house isolates for 14 days. If Person B then becomes symptomatic on Day 14 or even the morning of Day 15, they would need to self isolate themselves for a further 7 days, which would be 21 or 22 days.
See here: https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/874011/Stay_at_home_guidance_diagram.pdf
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Every time we get the latest updates about people who have died in the UK, it is always accompanied with the fact that they had underlying medical issues. I wonder how true this is.
He is a doctor, not sure about his specialty.
I will say, as another doctor myself and one with some previous background in Public Health and Infectious diseases (but am NOT a public health or ID physician) that simply being a doctor does not mean you're an expert on this stuff. The people I'd really listen to in these situations are epidemiologists or people who work specifically in outbreak situations. Then Public health doctors/ nurses. Then ID doctors. Then regular doctors/nurses. Then regular people. Then celebrities. Then probably politicians.
Neil Ferguson for example, the professor who wrote the excellent paper credited with changing the UK and USA's approach, is actually a mathematician and epidemiologist for instance.
This is not to slight Arruda, myself or any other doctors on here or in real life. Just a reflection that being a doctor and specialising in, for instance paediatrics or dermatology, or still being in training, does not make you an expert in outbreak control and what strategy to take when facing a problem of this magnitude.
Having said that, his posts are always informative and clearly well researched and thought out. And (I believe) in his second language no less.
been thinking the same, stands to reason they have healthier people and better care
@Varun please eat this monster
the virus itself is an underlying health issue.
Yes but when you look at the content of carts of panic buyers, you find ridiculious quantities on items. Like the story posted with the couple stocking on Moutain Dew, I've read stories of people doing the same with ice creams, cookies, sodas. Like wtf ? These products are the worst to consume in times like these. You don't wanna more problems on your system that it needs.
They'll undoubtedly find anything in someone's medical history to class as an unspecified 'underlying condition'. Has anyone never been to the doctors?
I wonder what the proportion of 50/60+ yr old people who dont have at least 1 other medical condition is
An unintended side effect of this as well is that healthcare workers are struggling to get what they need. One of the nurses I work with had a bit of a meltdown a few days ago about the public hoarding all of these supplies and expecting her to go hungry and with a dirty ass.
People need to engage their brains a little more.
Why because I made a point that anyone can say they’re anything online. How does AfricanSpurs know Arudda is a Doctor? And now suddenly he too claims to be a medic.
Karma I guess!
Also none of the gyms are giving refunds as they have 'force majeure' written into their contracts with customers. Best case if they will defer the booking for 36 months. He might also be finding it very difficult to get back home, as all flights to Europe are fully booked, unless you want to pay £5000 for a business class upgarde, most of which have all gone anyway.
Those left here have quite a philosophical view: If the world shuts down for a few months and we get stranded here, and if we survive the virus after we get it, its one of the best places to be: surrounded by seas full of fish and loads of very skilful fisherman, loads of fruit and rice and vegetables available and no tourists to eat them! Could be worse.
However, one other fear is what happens when the locals run out of money. This tourist season in Phuket has been disastrous, and businesses have only gained perhaps 50-60% of what they had in their plans. After the Tsunami, locals starting kidnapping foreigners and demanding ransoms, or just robbing them, as they had no income at all. Really doubt t will get to that, but then I guess, all bets are off!
Plenty of all sorts of crazies out here, hard to distinguish one from another!
Probably true. The vast majority killed by this will have underlying heath conditions (incl. severe obesity) or be over 70.
Get PTSD just reading this.
Can't you call the police? Usually they'd laugh at you in Spain but that sounds like it's completely flouting the current rules.
Italy 
I fear for the UK now, they are basically a mirror image of Italy from 2 weeks ago.
I fear for the UK now, they are basically a mirror image of Italy from 2 weeks ago.
I am not a virologist, I was a Pathology Resident for three years and now work as a non-specialist doctor (basically a cheap GP) whilst I wait for the bureaucracies of starting a new residency.
When I mention my "expertise" I am talking about basic medical sciences (and related fields) on which I am obviously qualified and without which it becomes difficult to interpret microbiologic, epidemiologic, public health information, etc. Even specialized journalists struggle with this.
Where this expertise is relevant on this China thing is mostly in understanding how stuff like "they could have acted in December" makes no sense at all (irrespective of how many flaws you find in the process), not if you understand how scientific knowledge in general, and medical sciences in particular, are built upon.
I claim no expertise in whatever is going on with China politics or the way they usually handle things, I just happen to have a wider perspective on how they handled this due to my base knowledge. I then read posters like @Foxbatt (and it's not the first time he writes about this in here, completing my thoughts or correcting them) who seem very well informed on China specifics and things just make sense.
Some people are saying it’s the way deaths are reported. So if someone catches Corona but has an underlying health issue then then the death gets attributed to the health issue.
I have no idea if this is the case.
This sounds very like the direction the UK government were debating at one point. Effectively 4 months quarantine for the ones at most risk. The debate about school closures told us how little chance there was of the public accepting it.
As weak as the inter-generational ties look at times in Britain, they still exist. Parents protect their children and vice versa - and emotionally we want to go closer to them, not further away (even if medically that's the wrong choice) The care system relies on family carers, often cutting across generations and risk groups.
Professional carers and healthcare workers have families of their own.
At the moment we can't even find a satisfactory way of physically caring for people in retirement homes, without exposing them to infection risks. Now multiply that across all the other kinds of care from live-in through daily visits, to weekly clean/laundry/do shopping sessions. It's a nice theory, but real people aren't so easily compartmentalised.
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NiceMomo is no mo'
I have very mild asthma that is only a slight issue during very high pollen counts, and when I have bad cold / flu. I wonder if this would be classed as an underlying medical condition? I was under the impression it would need to be chronic asthma to be classed as a underlying health condition.
That's probably true. I posted some numbers from Italy earlier. Of the thousands that have sadly passed, there were only three people who had no underlying medical issues.
From what I’ve seen so far, most of the people passing away from this are indeed elderly, have co-morbidities however that is far from the whole story. But what’s scary is how quickly they deteriorate, this is not a ‘flu’ that’s for sure.
Young people, with no previous health conditions are also getting this and becoming seriously ill that they require ventilators. I think most people don’t seem to realise that this is the case. I find it interesting reading the other day that worldwide there’s 250,000 cases, 10,000 deaths and 80,000 recovered- what about the other state of the other 160,000?
Also healthcare professionals are at higher risk of serious disease due to increased exposure so they tend do have a high viral count- escpially if they’re performing intubation or even CPR. I believe there’s young doctors in NY who are in ITU, and if you look into what happened in China young doctors and nurses have also passed away from this. Its a shame that not everyone is taking this seriously
You know I was taking the piss with that right
?I remember being thought of a nutter when suggesting the world needed to lockdown for 2 weeks. This is frightening.