SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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the virus itself is an underlying health issue.
Yes but when you look at the content of carts of panic buyers, you find ridiculious quantities on items. Like the story posted with the couple stocking on Moutain Dew, I've read stories of people doing the same with ice creams, cookies, sodas. Like wtf ? These products are the worst to consume in times like these. You don't wanna more problems on your system that it needs.
They'll undoubtedly find anything in someone's medical history to class as an unspecified 'underlying condition'. Has anyone never been to the doctors?
I wonder what the proportion of 50/60+ yr old people who dont have at least 1 other medical condition is
An unintended side effect of this as well is that healthcare workers are struggling to get what they need. One of the nurses I work with had a bit of a meltdown a few days ago about the public hoarding all of these supplies and expecting her to go hungry and with a dirty ass.
People need to engage their brains a little more.
Why because I made a point that anyone can say they’re anything online. How does AfricanSpurs know Arudda is a Doctor? And now suddenly he too claims to be a medic.
Karma I guess!
Also none of the gyms are giving refunds as they have 'force majeure' written into their contracts with customers. Best case if they will defer the booking for 36 months. He might also be finding it very difficult to get back home, as all flights to Europe are fully booked, unless you want to pay £5000 for a business class upgarde, most of which have all gone anyway.
Those left here have quite a philosophical view: If the world shuts down for a few months and we get stranded here, and if we survive the virus after we get it, its one of the best places to be: surrounded by seas full of fish and loads of very skilful fisherman, loads of fruit and rice and vegetables available and no tourists to eat them! Could be worse.
However, one other fear is what happens when the locals run out of money. This tourist season in Phuket has been disastrous, and businesses have only gained perhaps 50-60% of what they had in their plans. After the Tsunami, locals starting kidnapping foreigners and demanding ransoms, or just robbing them, as they had no income at all. Really doubt t will get to that, but then I guess, all bets are off!
Plenty of all sorts of crazies out here, hard to distinguish one from another!
Probably true. The vast majority killed by this will have underlying heath conditions (incl. severe obesity) or be over 70.
Get PTSD just reading this.
Can't you call the police? Usually they'd laugh at you in Spain but that sounds like it's completely flouting the current rules.
Italy 
I fear for the UK now, they are basically a mirror image of Italy from 2 weeks ago.
I fear for the UK now, they are basically a mirror image of Italy from 2 weeks ago.
I am not a virologist, I was a Pathology Resident for three years and now work as a non-specialist doctor (basically a cheap GP) whilst I wait for the bureaucracies of starting a new residency.
When I mention my "expertise" I am talking about basic medical sciences (and related fields) on which I am obviously qualified and without which it becomes difficult to interpret microbiologic, epidemiologic, public health information, etc. Even specialized journalists struggle with this.
Where this expertise is relevant on this China thing is mostly in understanding how stuff like "they could have acted in December" makes no sense at all (irrespective of how many flaws you find in the process), not if you understand how scientific knowledge in general, and medical sciences in particular, are built upon.
I claim no expertise in whatever is going on with China politics or the way they usually handle things, I just happen to have a wider perspective on how they handled this due to my base knowledge. I then read posters like @Foxbatt (and it's not the first time he writes about this in here, completing my thoughts or correcting them) who seem very well informed on China specifics and things just make sense.
Some people are saying it’s the way deaths are reported. So if someone catches Corona but has an underlying health issue then then the death gets attributed to the health issue.
I have no idea if this is the case.
This sounds very like the direction the UK government were debating at one point. Effectively 4 months quarantine for the ones at most risk. The debate about school closures told us how little chance there was of the public accepting it.
As weak as the inter-generational ties look at times in Britain, they still exist. Parents protect their children and vice versa - and emotionally we want to go closer to them, not further away (even if medically that's the wrong choice) The care system relies on family carers, often cutting across generations and risk groups.
Professional carers and healthcare workers have families of their own.
At the moment we can't even find a satisfactory way of physically caring for people in retirement homes, without exposing them to infection risks. Now multiply that across all the other kinds of care from live-in through daily visits, to weekly clean/laundry/do shopping sessions. It's a nice theory, but real people aren't so easily compartmentalised.
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Momo is no mo'
I have very mild asthma that is only a slight issue during very high pollen counts, and when I have bad cold / flu. I wonder if this would be classed as an underlying medical condition? I was under the impression it would need to be chronic asthma to be classed as a underlying health condition.
That's probably true. I posted some numbers from Italy earlier. Of the thousands that have sadly passed, there were only three people who had no underlying medical issues.
From what I’ve seen so far, most of the people passing away from this are indeed elderly, have co-morbidities however that is far from the whole story. But what’s scary is how quickly they deteriorate, this is not a ‘flu’ that’s for sure.
Young people, with no previous health conditions are also getting this and becoming seriously ill that they require ventilators. I think most people don’t seem to realise that this is the case. I find it interesting reading the other day that worldwide there’s 250,000 cases, 10,000 deaths and 80,000 recovered- what about the other state of the other 160,000?
Also healthcare professionals are at higher risk of serious disease due to increased exposure so they tend do have a high viral count- escpially if they’re performing intubation or even CPR. I believe there’s young doctors in NY who are in ITU, and if you look into what happened in China young doctors and nurses have also passed away from this. Its a shame that not everyone is taking this seriously
I remember being thought of a nutter when suggesting the world needed to lockdown for 2 weeks. This is frightening.
I know now. SorryYou know I was taking the piss with that right
Stay safe. All bets are off in situations like these indeed
Health care workers should have special hours dedicated for their shopping for me, the work they do is unvaluable, they shouldn't have to worry about finding groceries
It's because we have ganged up on you to ridicule and torment your good self of course.
Or because many posters here know each other and we are a reasonably close knit community you giant weapon..
That's good, hopefully some more good news in next few days. Hopefully they show similar pattern.
Actually the UK government was going to let it infect a huge number of people so that it may mutate and the people become immune. The down side of it is that you do not know how many people will die by infection. The Asian version is that you quarantine and isolate anyone who has been infected and also not let them come into contact with anyone else. That way they can keep them isolated and treat them as well. This herd version in the UK is not being accepted by any Asian country who has been through this. It is the only solution is to keep the infection to as low number as possible and not what the UK is doing.
In cases like this the public should not have any say in what the government is doing. It should have national emergency powers and shut down all public places including schools, Universities, Churches, mosques etc where the public gather or can gather.
Pretty much. I saw YouTube video of a guy in Japan telling how people in Tokyo in February saw a viral tweet about one of the main manufacturers for Toilet paper was Chinese was being closed down. Was false obviously but didn’t stop people and social media going crazy. Stop after in Tokyo a few days but it spread across Europe and isn’t stopped for a month.
I hope this is true. Jesus we could do with something positive. People still not taking this seriously. My local golf course was absolutely full all day. People in groups of 4 all next to each other. It was like nothing is happening.
But they always say it'd take months/years to develop a cure.
In fairness, the study, while promising.....is really quite limited and they acknowledge that in the paper. They've released it due to the urgency of the situation.
I've just had a quick skim read and seemingly the study had a total of 42 patients (of whom 6 dropped out), didn't include ICU patients and the primary endpoints were shedding of the virus, not quite clinical outcomes.
Still, anything is potentially good news so I'll be eager to see what bigger trials show for it.
They’ve been fake doctors on here a lot longer than you’ve been a fake virologist so they’ve got more money in the bank.
Doctors probably know better, but pretty sure these things are actually known and available to hospitals at the moment. Or at least in limited quantities. But don't take it for granted of course.
I don't think we have a choice but to shut down everything. People working worried to keep other people's business afloat in this situation isn't fair anyway.
The Government need to act fast before we end up mirroring Italy in two weeks time, its time for the army to roll on, its time to force us to stay inside rather than give us the option.
It's boring as hell but I value mine and my families lives more.
The Government need to act fast before we end up mirroring Italy in two weeks time, its time for the army to roll on, its time to force us to stay inside rather than give us the option.
It's boring as hell but I value mine and my families lives more.
Has he been banned? Why?
Yesterday we had every radio station in Italy play the national anthem and three popular Italian songs at 11.00. I only knew "Volare", so I looked up the Italian lyrics and sang along.