RedDevil@84
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Hi Trump.Why do people on here seem to be trying to outdo each other in terms of doom and gloom or scaremongering? This negativity isn't helping anyone. How about some positivity?
Hi Trump.Why do people on here seem to be trying to outdo each other in terms of doom and gloom or scaremongering? This negativity isn't helping anyone. How about some positivity?
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this is one way to flatten the curve.
As long as you bleach your cock before and after you'll be fineYou’ll be fine, just try not to go out. If you do have to, wash your hands for at least 20 seconds at every single opportunity. Don’t touch your face. No kissing. No shagging. No wanking as your cock could be infected with corona.
And the cover up begins. You don't need consent to release death 'figures' ffs. Why do these 'journalists' have to parrot such bullshit?Tweet
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this is one way to flatten the curve.
People forgetting that South Korea never locked down. A solution for one country is not simply the solution for the next.Lockdown combined with social distancing, when you have to go out, will hugely help to prevent our health services becoming overwhelmed. We need lockdown and at least 80% compliance with social distancing.
It makes sense if you want to fudge the numbers to make your country look better.this makes no sense whatsoever
Even without the change in methodology, yesterdays figures would have been slightly inaccurate as they weren't for a full 24 hours. The previous day they recorded deaths up until 1pm, yesterday only up until 9amSo are the UK figures for the next while less than useless? do we have to start from scratch, plotting with the new methodology? And was the somewhat potentially promising drop in deaths yesterday a false reading?
I'm trying to contain the cynicism as much as possible but it's getting harder to do.
0.2%-0.3%? I don't think that's even remotely true. The last time I checked it was 1.42% in South Korea who have been testing religiously - and that's actually one of the lowest death rates (if not the lowest) of any country with significant number of cases.TLDR: the death rate is probably around 0.2% - 0.3%. If you're young and healthy it's significantly lower. The biggest worry is the number of ventilators and available medical staff.
Why is that newsworthy? It reads like they've uncovered some well hidden secret. It says on the bloody spec document they will need to be approved first.Also, further to my previous post about the UK refusing to take up the offer of EU ventilator purchasing
About those dyson ventilators
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I'll go semi positive but that's all I have. There are many ongoing clinical trials some of which will surely alleviate conditions.Why do people on here seem to be trying to outdo each other in terms of doom and gloom or scaremongering? This negativity isn't helping anyone. How about some positivity?
Presumably any deaths 'missed' one day would eventually get captured at a later date so overall, curve should remain broadly reflective?Tweet
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this is one way to flatten the curve.
You clearly missed the celebrities’ heart-warning rendition of Imagine.Why do people on here seem to be trying to outdo each other in terms of doom and gloom or scaremongering? This negativity isn't helping anyone. How about some positivity?
I did wonder what all those yellow spots were...Not being funny John, but I think you might want to wash it a bit more often.
because it comes the same day that the government refuse an invite to buy ventilators that ARE already approved, via the EU.Why is that newsworthy? It reads like they've uncovered some well hidden secret. It says on the bloody spec document they will need to be approved first.
Celebs (or their PR advisors) and especially well off celebs are out of touch.Anything to stay in the limelight. How dare a little flu virus interrupt their followers.
They were able to keep ahead of testing and forcibly quarantine anybody who had it or was in contact with anybody who had it. They also knew exactly where it started and were able to follow the path from there. Both things that Europe never had the opportunity to do.People forgetting that South Korea never locked down. A solution for one country is not simply the solution for the next.
No, again your speaking in absolute terms. The area of Stockholm has many times the population density of Lombardy and has a similar proportion of olds. The only advantages Stockholm has is a smaller family unit and a less touchy feely culture - nothing to do with overall size of population at all. The disaster that befell Lombardy could well happen to Stockholm if it's not properly managed (I'm not saying it isn't). I have no problem with Sweden following its own protocols and it will most probably avoid such a terrible scenario but not for any of the population based reasons you've put forward.When one region of Italy, Lombardy, has a higher population and more 65´s than all of Sweden... of course it's on a different level.
True but their social distancing was/is excellent.People forgetting that South Korea never locked down. A solution for one country is not simply the solution for the next.
Only if the family eventually gives consent. If they don't give consent, those deaths disappear into the ether and don't get captured in these statistics at allPresumably any deaths 'missed' one day would eventually get captured at a later date so overall, curve should remain broadly reflective?
14 deaths in over 3000 cases. 29 days since the first case, I believe.0.2%-0.3%? I don't think that's even remotely true. The last time I checked it was 1.42% in South Korea who have been testing religiously - and that's actually one of the lowest death rates (if not the lowest) of any country with significant number of cases.
I did wonder what all those yellow spots were...
Isn't that a stupid way to go about things? There is no need to give out the details of the person who passed away, but the stats need to be captured. Else how would the govt decide what scale of help is needed for the public.Only if the family eventually gives consent. If they don't give consent, those deaths disappear into the ether and don't get captured in these statistics at all
Who needs a nose anyway *cuts*...
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It would depend how late we are talking. This type of reporting could caused a slow trickle of deaths to incomes over a long period and not be broadly reflective. And as already mentioned if the families don't give consent the deaths won't be captured.Presumably any deaths 'missed' one day would eventually get captured at a later date so overall, curve should remain broadly reflective?
Small data/recent surge. There simply hasn't been enough time for people to progress from contracting to dying. In South Korea the CFR was a fraction of what it's now until recently.14 deaths in over 3000 cases. 29 days since the first case, I believe.
We've tested almost 50k people or something. That's about 1% of our entire population.
That means we have a less than 0.5% death rate so far. And that's confirmed cases. They estimate that the actual number of infected is between 2 and 7 times higher than the number of confirmed cases.
Its madness, its something the government needs to explain as a matter of urgency.It would depend how late we are talking. This type of reporting could caused a slow trickle of death to incomes over a long period and not being broadly reflective. And as already mentioned if the families don't give consent the deaths won't be capture.
Look, we all know that these are difficult times for everyone, we don't need it constantly pushed in our faces by the self appointed experts on here, or those selectively posting the most "bad news" tweets they can findYou clearly missed the celebrities’ heart-warning rendition of Imagine.
Its dodgy as feck.Isn't that a stupid way to go about things? There is no need to give out the details of the person who passed away, but the stats need to be captured. Else how would the govt decide what scale of help is needed for the public.
Yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense, so I'm still skeptical of it. Even if so, you'd have to imagine that somebody is still compiling all the raw data somewhere and that's whats being used to make decisions at the top level, because it's ludicrous otherwiseIsn't that a stupid way to go about things? There is no need to give out the details of the person who passed away, but the stats need to be captured. Else how would the govt decide what scale of help is needed for the public.
I’m not sure about what you mean about deaths being too random because nobody knows how the virus kills peopleAll that matters is the opinion of the doctor that signed the death cert. Do they believe that the patient died as a result of COVID-19 infection? This might not always be something they know with absolute certainty but they’ll always be be pretty damn confident of their opinion. They have to be. The death cert is a legally binding document.The absolute number isn't what governments are focusing on. Testing criteria may change but you can control that and understand it. Deaths you cannot, it's random because nobody yet understands how exactly the virus kills people.
If you know your testing criteria and have 10 cases today, 20 tomorrow and 30 the day after, you can see a trend. If the day after that you have 35 cases or 45 cases, you can see a change in the trend and react accordingly. That's what everybody is looking to see. They don't care if the absolute number of cases is 40 or 400, they accept that number is inaccurate.
Look at the way the UK report, the focus is on cases. Deaths are listed second and are not always recorded over a consistent time period. In Italy too deaths are the third thing they focus on after active cases and total cases.
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Oh we’re on the same page there pal, I’m well aware that Stockholm and most major cities are likely to become disaster zones. They don’t make field hospitals for nothing.No, again your speaking in absolute terms. The area of Stockholm has many times the population density of Lombardy and has a similar proportion of olds. The only advantages Stockholm has is a smaller family unit and a less touchy feely culture - nothing to do with overall size of population at all. The disaster that befell Lombardy could well happen to Stockholm if it's not properly managed (I'm not saying it isn't). I have no problem with Sweden following its own protocols and it will most probably avoid such a terrible scenario but not for any of the population based reasons you've put forward.
They've tested a lot more than other countries per million population but still haven't tested THAT much. Basically until we know how likely it is to go completely symptomless and identify all who have antibodies despite having had not symptoms previously, we will not know the real mortality rate, it's all guess work.0.2%-0.3%? I don't think that's even remotely true. The last time I checked it was 1.42% in South Korea who have been testing religiously - and that's actually one of the lowest death rates (if not the lowest) of any country with significant number of cases.