SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Not in England they didn't. Acute beds fell from 108k to 101k during that period (-7%). Geriatric and acute fell from 136k to 122k (-10%). From 2010 to now geriatric and acute (there are no individual figures) have fallen from 122k to 101k (-17%).

You can find the exact info here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statisti...vailability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/
The data from 2010 does not separate general from acute, and the data before is not adjusted for population.

If you fiddle around with the graph here you can see acute beds per capita adjusted for a lot of countries. The UK does not stand out as governments change or compared to its neighbours - the only one that does is Korea.

https://data.oecd.org/healtheqt/hospital-beds.htm
 

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Struggling to find empathy for BoJo, he wanted herd immunity after all.
 

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Please refrain from the daft arguing about why the PM of this country should be tested or not. We did that when talking about the heir to the fecking throne the other day.
This is silly. He's the man responsible for our poor testing capacity. Of course people are entitled to an opinion over whether he should get tested when we don't have the capacity to test nurses.
 

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This is silly. He's the man responsible for our poor testing capacity. Of course people are entitled to an opinion over whether he should get tested when we don't have the capacity to test nurses.
stupid feckwitts may see the need to question it, yes.
 
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Wonder how he's got that info. I thought data protection/phone companies holding info secure would prevent that?

At first glance, I saw all the hotspots and thought "why have all those Spring Breakers come to Europe?" but I'm guessing hotspots are ALL shown here (white)?

Reminds me I'm fortunate to live rurally.
 

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Southern Europe countries are taking a higher toll due to a very old population. Long are the times where people from Spain and Italy had families with several kids.
 

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Because he's the Prime Minister. It would a dereliction of duty if he tried to "be a gentleman" and not take a test. He would have the money to pay for one privately anyway.
FFS, he’s the prime minister
So? Why can't he self isolate from having symptoms and pass the duty on for the isolation period? We are already taking the piss on our testing whilst our underfunded NHS doctors nurses and pharmacists are around covid patience 18 hours a day, and this warrants a test more? He could have self isolated if he had symptoms - why can't he do that? Why does he need a test? His symptoms were mild, he's not in a dangerous age category, he doesnt appear to have underlying health problems.
 

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Call me a conspiracy theorist but part of me thinks that Boris is stupid enough to like about testing positive about corona virus, self isolate as a result in the hope that because he's doing it the entire nation will see it as a inspiration to follow.

Probably just has it though, but I need something to keep me amused in this dark times
 

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Why did Borris feel the need to test himself if he had mild symptoms? There are doctors Pharmacists and nurses who aren't tested and this bellend needs a test from mild symptoms?
don't you think it's important to test the Prime Minister?

aside from the fact he's an important politician, he must surely meet loads of people on a daily basis who'd want to know if he tested positive
 

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stupid feckwitts may see the need to question it, yes.
So? Why can't he self isolate from having symptoms and pass the duty on for the isolation period? We are already taking the piss on our testing whilst our underfunded NHS doctors nurses and pharmacists are around covid patience 18 hours a day, and this warrants a test more? He could have self isolated if he had symptoms - why can't he do that? Why does he need a test? His symptoms were mild, he's not in a dangerous age category, he doesnt appear to have underlying health problems.
oh dear.
 

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I suppose it's worth trying but I wish him and his family the best. I wouldn't mind if he was incapacitated for a week though and then we give it Raabsy till the end of the season.
:lol:
 

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Raab takes over if Boris can't do the job, in the short term, I believe.
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Thanks guys. While not ideal that's better than JRM, although I was kinda looking forward to the government recommendations of bloodletting, leaches and the like.
 

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Wonder how he's got that info. I thought data protection/phone companies holding info secure would prevent that?

At first glance, I saw all the hotspots and thought "why have all those Spring Breakers come to Europe?" but I'm guessing hotspots are ALL shown here (white)?

Reminds me I'm fortunate to live rurally.
The data is still anonymized, you just know there's a cellphone user there, not who they are and what their mobile number is. Cell companies routinely sell that data, same as credit card companies selling your purchase history, internet companies, apps, social networks etc selling your logging habits etc.
 

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I work closely with a man who went to the Stereophonics concert, his wife works in a supermarket and his daughter works in a school. He’s like a walking Covid19 carrier but neither of us has shown any signs of being unwell. I’m classed as a key worker so still going into work.

Meanwhile, just heard 2 people have died that I know local :( , my old teacher and an older taxi driver
 

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If Johnson dies, does that mean more people will take it seriously and fewer people will die overall?
Well first it means that the world would become a slightly better place.
 

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Raab takes over if Boris can't do the job, in the short term, I believe.
yes - though apparently there is "lobbying" for gove to take over ... (presumably because is a horrible power obsessed opportunistic tosser)

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/23/government-draws-plans-boris-johnson-catches-coronavirus-12443291/

he Foreign Secretary would lead the country if Boris Johnson became unwell during the coronavirus crisis. The Prime Minister’s official spokesman confirmed that Dominic Raab would stand in were the PM to get sick. The spokesman said: ‘The Prime Minister is well… the Foreign Secretary is the First Secretary of State.’ If Mr Raab was also ill, the PM has the power to delegate responsibility to any of his ministers, the spokesman added. It comes amid reported ‘lobbying’ for Michael Gove, the cabinet office minister and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, to temporarily take over as a stand-in prime minister if needed or if he takes paternity leave when his child is born later this year.
 

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That's what he is doing. You cannot seriously argue he shouldn't have been tested.
don't you think it's important to test the Prime Minister?

aside from the fact he's an important politician, he must surely meet loads of people on a daily basis who'd want to know if he tested positive
Relax, I'm asking from a logistical standpoint because I thought he was doing a lot of his work remotely since a few days ago. No need to get sassy @Grinner, save your name calling for somewhere else.

I'm genuinely asking, I get it now if he's still meeting lots of people in/out from his office and if he tested privately. It's a sore topic for me as my wife will likely go to Excel and my mum still works every day for NHS and neither have testing, just makes my blood boil when people get tests from mild symptoms no matter what role they play ahead of doctors/nurses who are at far higher risk and their lives are just as important as any other.
 

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Ok, so this is the no tin foil hat thread.. so where's the tin foil hat thread?
 

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I have absolutely no problem with Boris getting his test, or him recieving 80% of his salary up to £2500 per month. Get well soon.
 

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So? Why can't he self isolate from having symptoms and pass the duty on for the isolation period? We are already taking the piss on our testing whilst our underfunded NHS doctors nurses and pharmacists are around covid patience 18 hours a day, and this warrants a test more? He could have self isolated if he had symptoms - why can't he do that? Why does he need a test? His symptoms were mild, he's not in a dangerous age category, he doesnt appear to have underlying health problems.
Because he is running the feckkng country ffs. Whether we agree with what he’s doing or like him or whatever
 

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So? Why can't he self isolate from having symptoms and pass the duty on for the isolation period? We are already taking the piss on our testing whilst our underfunded NHS doctors nurses and pharmacists are around covid patience 18 hours a day, and this warrants a test more? He could have self isolated if he had symptoms - why can't he do that? Why does he need a test? His symptoms were mild, he's not in a dangerous age category, he doesnt appear to have underlying health problems.
Because, he holds the most important post in the country, I really shouldn’t have to explain it to you.
 

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The issue isn't with importance of testing the prime minister.

It's to do with the hundreds of NHS/Emergency workers who are being refused tests despite being exposed to the virus on a daily basis.

He can do his job remotely, those on the front lines can't. But I'm sure clapping for them made up for it.
 

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Imagine questioning if we should test the leader of our country :lol: I think the bloke is a buffoon, but its just bizarre logic to think he's not an important person to test.