Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[redshaw]

Here's the 100th case graph


And real numbers. We aren't tracking with Italy but we soon could be and worse with half the ICU beds of Italy

UK Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​
March 8th​	3​	Feb 23rd​	3​	March 5th​	3​	March 2nd​	3​
March 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	March 6th​	8​	March 3rd​	4​
March 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	March 7th​	10​	March 4th​	4​
March 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	March 8th​	17​	March 5th​	7​
March 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	March 9th​	30​	March 6th​	9​
March 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	March 10th​	36​	March 7th​	16​
March 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	March 11th​	55​	March 8th​	19​
March 15th​	35​	March 1st​	41​	March 12th​	86​	March 9th​	30​
March 16th​	55​	March 2nd​	52​	March 13th​	133​	March 10th​	33​
March 17th​	71​	March 3rd​	79​	March 14th​	196​	March 11th​	48​
March 18th​	104​	March 4th​	107​	March 15th​	294​	March 12th​	61​
March 19th​	144​	March 5th​	148​	March 16th​	342​	March 13th​	79​
March 20th​	177​	March 6th​	197​	March 17th​	533​	March 14th​	91​
March 21st​	233​	March 7th​	233​	March 18th​	638​	March 15th​	127​
March 22nd​	281​	March 8th​	366​	March 19th​	833​	March 16th​	148​
March 23rd​	335​	March 9th​	463​	March 20th​	1,093​	March 17th​	175​
March 24th​	422​	March 10th​	631​	March 21st​	1,381​	March 18th​	244​
March 25th​	468​	March 11th​	827​	March 22nd​	1,813​	March 19th​	372​
March 26th​	578​	March 12th​	1,016​	March 23rd​	2,207​	March 20th​	450​
March 27th​	759​	March 13th​	1,266​	March 24th​	2,696​	March 21st​	562​
​	​	March 14th​	1,441​	March 25th​	3,434​	March 22nd​	674​
​	​	March 15th​	1,809​	March 26th​	4,145​	March 23rd​	860​
​	​	March 16th​	2,158​	March 27th​	4,858​	March 24th​	1100​
​	​	March 17th​	2,503​	​	​	March 25th​	1331​
​	​	​	​	​	​	March 26th​	1,696​

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[NYAS]

You didn't mention anything about a transfer window, are we expected to stick with the same squads till next year? Some contracts are running out, some about to expire like Ighalo. And if we are allowed to sign players, I wonder how the likes of Sheff Utd and Wolves would feel if we managed to bag Sancho and then walked the rest of the fixtures next year.

Let the clubs have a vote on whether to have a transfer window. Everyone involved needs to understand that we are going through something extraordinary and compromises need to be made. If contracts run out, then so be it. Clubs and players can look at making the same loans next year. If Sheff Utd and Wolves know we might have Sancho for the remaining fixtures, they can also strengthen themselves accordingly. Everyone would be handed the same set of rules. I see the transfer window/contracts issue as something much easier to deal with than the potential feck-up of the football calendar for years.

 

[Dancfc]

Too much of a hindrance to the start of a hypothetical next season and fecks up the football calendar for years. Also optimistic regarding returns to normalcy and BCD football is horrendous. Complete this season but at this point next year, all you’re cancelling is a season that hasn’t even started.

With the Qatar world cup and I'm guessing a flexible Euro's date that wouldn't actually be as bad as usual

We could inadvertently end up with ending the season after next right before the winter world cup, then after that slowly work on getting the dates back to the usual August-May.

Big problem will be the contracts though, they will need sorting/redefining somehow.

 

[UncleBob]

It won't be "over" but as soon as it's peaked measures will be made that will slowly allow life to get back to normal, and at some point sport behind closed doors will be a part of that.

Japan, China and South Korea are slowly getting back to normal and there's been no news of massive spikes in cases so far touch wood. The J League is due to resume early May and I imagine CSL won't be too far behind. If they happen without a hitch then a prescedent is set.

The idea of the league resuming at the end of April is fantasy, but any time between June and August is very much possible if we have similar peak and decline timetables as Asia have.

People think too far ahead when it comes to season cancellations, I don't think it will even be mooted as a possibility unless an attempt to restart the season fails spectacularly.

I'd say people aren't thinking, at all.

I said it when FA announced that the games would be going ahead as planned, with crowds, that it was likely players were already infected and it only be a matter of time until it would be public information and playing behind lock doors wouldn't even be possible. Less than 24 hours and the league was put on hold.

This whole "finish the remaining 9-10 games in an empty stadium" is unrealistic. Just organising this while the rest of europe is struggling is so out of touch with reality, won't happen, just the strain on the emergency services would be unacceptable at this time, secondly the players have families, plenty of them in the at risk group, there's a mental state to be considered here as well. https://www.skysports.com/football/...plays-to-stay-focused-amid-coronavirus-crisis

If resuming in August is very much possible, then it's going to be the 20/21 season due to the financial implications if they don't uphold their TV deals.

A restart doesn't have to fail, it just has to be obvious that a possible restart is far ahead and that it's meaningless to finish a season, just to finish it, after it's been put on hold for what, a minimum of 6 months ? 7 months ? which would include a transfer window and contracts expiring. You've signed Hakim Ziyech already.

 

[TheReligion]

It won't get cancelled. There's too much money involved and we know money > lives.

I believe this season will be finished.

UK 3 week lock down means we're looking until at least April 17th. From here, worst case scenario give it 1 month for cases starting to decline = May 17th.

Give it another 2 weeks we're looking at June 1st. Then you give players 2 weeks to get their fitness up and you're looking at football starting back up again Middle to the Third week of June.

It's only 9 game weeks and they will play two games a week.

They will get this season done lads. I know as United fans and just using logic overall it's best we scrap all football but it won't be done - primarily for economic factors.

Serie A president says the season will finish in August and will do everything he can to finish it. If italy will get back up again, england will get there sooner. This season isn't being voided. Stop fooling yourselves lads. The show must go on.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ld-finish-in-august-says-federation-president

Yeah all signs indicate a return to football, albeit BCD. Looking forward to it even if it means liverpool get their trophy.

Are you just talking to yourself in this thread? You seem desperate to get this back up and running despite the fact that world is falling apart

 

[Tarrou]

a few interesting bits I've read this morning...





https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-could-stall-return-of-premier-league-and-efl

 

[sammsky1]

 

[Ronaldo's Mum Eh?]

What signs? Were on worse trajectory than Italy which had over 900 deaths in last 24 hours. Am I missing something?

'Don't do it to yourself lads'

Name even one sign points to that mate?
And I mean real points, not the FA's statement a couple of weeks ago saying it'll finish - which was just a mere holding note to point out they'll "do their best" to.

Are you just talking to yourself in this thread? You seem desperate to get this back up and running despite the fact that world is falling apart

Listen, we are heading into April and realistically have until July to find a way for this season to start again. April to July is 3 months.. 3 months!!! That's an eternity. You guys are all assuming the US is not going to come up with a breakthrough in the science and research to figure this virus out.

There is also 750 million pounds on the table and so do you honestly think these clubs are willing to lose that? The only way this doesn't happen is if the players themselves (PFA) decides it's not safe enough.

Listen I'm like you guys I want this season null and void for the sake of humanity and not ruining the following season, however with the reasons stated above - we have lots of time left.

Also note that the epidimeologist went from predicting 500k deaths to now 20k deaths.

The numbers are coming down. Social distancing is working and the UK is not as bad the rest of europe.

 

[UncleBob]

Listen, we are heading into April and realistically have until July to find a way for this season to start again. April to July is 3 months.. 3 months!!! That's an eternity. You guys are all assuming the US is not going to come up with a breakthrough in the science and research to figure this virus out.

There is also 750 million pounds on the table and so do you honestly think these clubs are willing to lose that? The only way this doesn't happen is if the players themselves (PFA) decides it's not safe enough.

Listen I'm like you guys I want this season null and void for the sake of humanity and not ruining the following season, however with the reasons stated above - we have lots of time left.

Also note that the epidimeologist went from predicting 500k deaths to now 20k deaths.

The numbers are coming down. Social distancing is working and the UK is not as bad the rest of europe.

 

[Redcy]

Listen, we are heading into April and realistically have until July to find a way for this season to start again. April to July is 3 months.. 3 months!!! That's an eternity. You guys are all assuming the US is not going to come up with a breakthrough in the science and research to figure this virus out.

There is also 750 million pounds on the table and so do you honestly think these clubs are willing to lose that? The only way this doesn't happen is if the players themselves (PFA) decides it's not safe enough.

Listen I'm like you guys I want this season null and void for the sake of humanity and not ruining the following season, however with the reasons stated above - we have lots of time left.

Also note that the epidimeologist went from predicting 500k deaths to now 20k deaths.

The numbers are coming down. Social distancing is working and the UK is not as bad the rest of europe.

on what basis do you think we are doing better than say Italy?Please go look at the figures we are showing no signs of slowing. There is no vaccine yet! I had heard there was one and we are at best 6 months from one that will protect. America had thought it was close to a solution but no, seems not again.

Social distancing is kind of working, but it took 3 days for people to take it serious. Out of a week into it. I’m telling you now if this thing carried on another 4 weeks social distancing will start to be ignored by the public and we will see a rise again.

The PL will leave it as late as possible to decide I will admit, because of the penalties. At some point though you have to void it and hope you can play more than 30% of next season. Italy and Spain are at some point going to void their leagues I feel. More clubs are coming around to it

 

[AshRK]

So I read somewhere if the season is termed null and void that would mean all the individual records like goals scored matches won will also be written off. Is that true. That would be really stupid.

 

[Paxi]

Listen, we are heading into April and realistically have until July to find a way for this season to start again. April to July is 3 months.. 3 months!!! That's an eternity. You guys are all assuming the US is not going to come up with a breakthrough in the science and research to figure this virus out.

There is also 750 million pounds on the table and so do you honestly think these clubs are willing to lose that? The only way this doesn't happen is if the players themselves (PFA) decides it's not safe enough.

Listen I'm like you guys I want this season null and void for the sake of humanity and not ruining the following season, however with the reasons stated above - we have lots of time left.

Also note that the epidimeologist went from predicting 500k deaths to now 20k deaths.

The numbers are coming down. Social distancing is working and the UK is not as bad the rest of europe.

There are companies who are literally could be going out of business if they don't get bailouts ie virgin atlantic. How much is that company worth? UK has so far pledged 35 BILLION pounds to battle this virus. Trump just signed 2 TRILLION DOLLAR stimulus deal for the US economy. I don't think you have any idea about the gravity of this situation to be honest with you. No one outside football could give two fecks how the PL could potentially lose 700 million if the league doesn't get completed. 700 million is loose change to the final cost of this pandemic.

Also the vaccine isn't coming by July. Educate yourself on how long it takes for a vaccine to develop. Even if we develop one fit for purpose by this time next year, it'll be the fastest vaccine ever developed if I recall correctly.

Sorry but your post is just a nonsense post.

We're building a fvcking fifteen hundred capacity morgue in a hanger in Birmingham airport and you think this will be over in 3 months? It'd be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

 

[TheLord]

There are companies who are literally could be going out of business if they don't get bailouts ie virgin atlantic. How much is that company worth? UK has so far pledged 35 BILLION pounds to battle this virus. Trump just signed 2 TRILLION DOLLAR stimulus deal for the US economy. I don't think you have any idea about the gravity of this situation to be honest with you. No one outside football could give two fecks how the PL could potentially lose 700 million if the league doesn't get completed. 700 million is loose change to the final cost of this pandemic.

Also the vaccine isn't coming by July. Educate yourself on how long it takes for a vaccine to develop. Even if we develop one fit for purpose by this time next year, it'll be the fastest vaccine ever developed if I recall correctly.

Sorry but your post is just a nonsense post.

We're building a fvcking fifteen hundred capacity morgue in a hanger in Birmingham airport and you think this will be over in 3 months? It'd be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

Well put.

I wish I could “like” this post.

The obsession of some with PL continuing in the grand scheme of things is mind-boggling, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.
Many here have perhaps taken football far too seriously in their lives.

 

[Redcy]

I’m a contractor and the company I was doing work for literally just mothballed itself. They have one staff member answering calls basically saying “nothing doing”. They don’t think they will open in 3 months. 20% of people went within the week.

 

[Tarrou]

it went from all signs to miracle cure in one post

 

[Darlington Padgett]

So I read somewhere if the season is termed null and void that would mean all the individual records like goals scored matches won will also be written off. Is that true. That would be really stupid.

Why is that stupid? That's the whole purpose of null and void.

 

[Ronaldo's Mum Eh?]

on what basis do you think we are doing better than say Italy?Please go look at the figures we are showing no signs of slowing. There is no vaccine yet! I had heard there was one and we are at best 6 months from one that will protect. America had thought it was close to a solution but no, seems not again.

Social distancing is kind of working, but it took 3 days for people to take it serious. Out of a week into it. I’m telling you now if this thing carried on another 4 weeks social distancing will start to be ignored by the public and we will see a rise again.

The PL will leave it as late as possible to decide I will admit, because of the penalties. At some point though you have to void it and hope you can play more than 30% of next season. Italy and Spain are at some point going to void their leagues I feel. More clubs are coming around to it

There are companies who are literally could be going out of business if they don't get bailouts ie virgin atlantic. How much is that company worth? UK has so far pledged 35 BILLION pounds to battle this virus. Trump just signed 2 TRILLION DOLLAR stimulus deal for the US economy. I don't think you have any idea about the gravity of this situation to be honest with you. No one outside football could give two fecks how the PL could potentially lose 700 million if the league doesn't get completed. 700 million is loose change to the final cost of this pandemic.

Also the vaccine isn't coming by July. Educate yourself on how long it takes for a vaccine to develop. Even if we develop one fit for purpose by this time next year, it'll be the fastest vaccine ever developed if I recall correctly.

Sorry but your post is just a nonsense post.

We're building a fvcking fifteen hundred capacity morgue in a hanger in Birmingham airport and you think this will be over in 3 months? It'd be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

The UK death rate seems to be much lower than Italy. When did I say anything about a vaccine? A breakthrough can come in the method of actually treating it. There were early signs of chloroquine helping with it, granted that has not been confirmed - it does show that the medical community is looking at ways to treat it. Zuckerberg and Bill Gates have teamed up to come up with a solution. I know exactly how long vaccines take and I know that would take at least a year but at least they will find ways to reduce symptoms + decrease the mortality rate.

You really think we can't figure something out until July? We just need to start kicking a ball by July and we will have enough time to finish the 9 game weeks.

 

[shaky]

The UK death rate seems to be much lower than Italy. When did I say anything about a vaccine? A breakthrough can come in the method of actually treating it. There were early signs of chloroquine helping with it, granted that has not been confirmed - it does show that the medical community is looking at ways to treat it. Zuckerberg and Bill Gates have teamed up to come up with a solution. I know exactly how long vaccines take and I know that would take at least a year but at least they will find ways to reduce symptoms + decrease the mortality rate.

You really think we can't figure something out until July? We just need to start kicking a ball by July and we will have enough time to finish the 9 game weeks.

July? We'll be lucky if the football season starts again at all in 2020. What we'll see happen, probably fairly soon really, is that the big European football leagues will all agree amongst themselves to cancel every league season. It's the only way to go from here. A strong, unified decision and a clean slate when things eventually get going again. It's not going to be popular with everybody but given the circumstances, there won't be great appetite from many clubs to make a huge fuss over it. TV Deals, Sponsorships, Wages, all these issues will be solved by compromise. Everybody is compromising with finances these days, football will be no different.

 

[TheReligion]

The UK death rate seems to be much lower than Italy. When did I say anything about a vaccine? A breakthrough can come in the method of actually treating it. There were early signs of chloroquine helping with it, granted that has not been confirmed - it does show that the medical community is looking at ways to treat it. Zuckerberg and Bill Gates have teamed up to come up with a solution. I know exactly how long vaccines take and I know that would take at least a year but at least they will find ways to reduce symptoms + decrease the mortality rate.

You really think we can't figure something out until July? We just need to start kicking a ball by July and we will have enough time to finish the 9 game weeks.

You clearly don't understand the gravity of this situation.

 

[SirAnderson]

As much as I like to take a piss from Liverpool...At this point, I would happily take Liverpool’s treble only for this whole thing to fecking feck off.

Hey, I'm all for it fecking off, but don't have to sell our souls for that to happen. Will settle for them not getting the title and it fecking off, that's better.

 

[SirAnderson]

July? We'll be lucky if the football season starts again at all in 2020. What we'll see happen, probably fairly soon really, is that the big European football leagues will all agree amongst themselves to cancel every league season. It's the only way to go from here. A strong, unified decision and a clean slate when things eventually get going again. It's not going to be popular with everybody but given the circumstances, there won't be great appetite from many clubs to make a huge fuss over it. TV Deals, Sponsorships, Wages, all these issues will be solved by compromise. Everybody is compromising with finances these days, football will be no different.

Exactly this.
Can't understand how people even imagined it would be babk by July.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Solution: FIFA-issued worldwide suspension of all professional football until 2021. Club football restarts in March 2021 at the points we are now, and use January and February to play out the 10 international match days that wouldn’t happen this year. Cancel next season and continue this season at this point next year.

Too many people think this will be over too soon.

Would suck being without football until then, but I like this scenario.

 

[SirAnderson]

Folks, have you heard, it's not null and void, but the word we are to use now is "curtailed".
The season will be curtained to nothing.

 

[SirAnderson]

In Italy the rugby League has been declared void with no winner this season and the Basketball League are giving some time to assess the situation and decide if they want to void the season too.

All sports will be going in that direction, what's sad is the nation's who didn't lock down sooner. The damage is going to be so much worse sadly.

 

[Member 101269]

There are companies who are literally could be going out of business if they don't get bailouts ie virgin atlantic. How much is that company worth? UK has so far pledged 35 BILLION pounds to battle this virus. Trump just signed 2 TRILLION DOLLAR stimulus deal for the US economy. I don't think you have any idea about the gravity of this situation to be honest with you. No one outside football could give two fecks how the PL could potentially lose 700 million if the league doesn't get completed. 700 million is loose change to the final cost of this pandemic.

Also the vaccine isn't coming by July. Educate yourself on how long it takes for a vaccine to develop. Even if we develop one fit for purpose by this time next year, it'll be the fastest vaccine ever developed if I recall correctly.

Sorry but your post is just a nonsense post.

We're building a fvcking fifteen hundred capacity morgue in a hanger in Birmingham airport and you think this will be over in 3 months? It'd be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

Finally, someone saying what I seen since early February.

 

[Tarrou]

Solution: FIFA-issued worldwide suspension of all professional football until 2021. Club football restarts in March 2021 at the points we are now, and use January and February to play out the 10 international match days that wouldn’t happen this year. Cancel next season and continue this season at this point next year.

Too many people think this will be over too soon.

I think it's quite plausible we don't see a return until then, but how many football league clubs will go bust if that is the case?

10? 20? more?

 

[Sandikan]

Listen, we are heading into April and realistically have until July to find a way for this season to start again. April to July is 3 months.. 3 months!!! That's an eternity. You guys are all assuming the US is not going to come up with a breakthrough in the science and research to figure this virus out.

There is also 750 million pounds on the table and so do you honestly think these clubs are willing to lose that? The only way this doesn't happen is if the players themselves (PFA) decides it's not safe enough.

Listen I'm like you guys I want this season null and void for the sake of humanity and not ruining the following season, however with the reasons stated above - we have lots of time left.

Also note that the epidimeologist went from predicting 500k deaths to now 20k deaths.

The numbers are coming down. Social distancing is working and the UK is not as bad the rest of europe.

This post is infuriating.
Do you watch the news?

How the hell are numbers "coming down" you maniac.
We're increasing dramatically, Spain are, Italy are. Etc.
USA are escalating wildly, and you're expecting them to produce the cure soon?

The first case in China was pre 2020, and they've only just got cases to calm down. They don't know if they'll see a second wave start now.

We're seeing mass furloughing of employees for months in the Uk. Nothing is being sorted for a long time.

 

[Sandikan]

So I read somewhere if the season is termed null and void that would mean all the individual records like goals scored matches won will also be written off. Is that true. That would be really stupid.

That part seems unnecessary. But i guess you can't count the individual stats if you're not counting results unfortunately.

 

[Judas]

Its amazing to think there's so many ignorant actual fully grown adults on here. All some of you would need to do is a watch the news once a day, maybe read something that doesn't involve a football getting kicked about and you might start realising how daft some of your posts are.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Most of non-league football has been abandoned by the FA. Suffice to say, the clubs aren't very happy about it. Personally, whilst they might end up having to abandon it, it's too soon to make that decision.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampprojec...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52064082

 

[Sandikan]

it went from all signs to miracle cure in one post

Even by redcafe's standards i"m shocked by the breathtaking ignorance of the guy's post.

Numbers are going down was the standout line.

 

[Sandikan]

The UK death rate seems to be much lower than Italy. When did I say anything about a vaccine? A breakthrough can come in the method of actually treating it. There were early signs of chloroquine helping with it, granted that has not been confirmed - it does show that the medical community is looking at ways to treat it. Zuckerberg and Bill Gates have teamed up to come up with a solution. I know exactly how long vaccines take and I know that would take at least a year but at least they will find ways to reduce symptoms + decrease the mortality rate.

You really think we can't figure something out until July? We just need to start kicking a ball by July and we will have enough time to finish the 9 game weeks.

The UK are a couple of weeks behind Italy and Spain!!
Go and have a look at the tables for deaths after the same amount of days. They are eerily and worryingly similar. Then look at how Italy and Spain are accelerating and look at how the Uk has zoomed up the last couple of days.

We're nowhere near any peak yet.

 

[Judas]

I thought I loved football, I thought it was really important to me, but the desperation and simply ignorant and disgusting attitudes on here really shows a side to people on here I don't like at all.

 

[SirAnderson]

The PL is just waiting as long as possible before they "curtail" the season, the numbers are just too crazy to justify finishing something as trivial right now as football, despite the large amount of money involve, when compared to the global economy that will be affected by prematurely starting public gatherings like football etc it will just make it worse.

 

[SirAnderson]

Its amazing to think there's so many ignorant actual fully grown adults on here. All some of you would need to do is a watch the news once a day, maybe read something that doesn't involve a football getting kicked about and you might start realising how daft some of your posts are.

Blinded by selfish desire. Can't blame the Liverpool guys, its some of the others that boggle my mind.

 

[SirAnderson]

Listen, we are heading into April and realistically have until July to find a way for this season to start again. April to July is 3 months.. 3 months!!! That's an eternity. You guys are all assuming the US is not going to come up with a breakthrough in the science and research to figure this virus out.

There is also 750 million pounds on the table and so do you honestly think these clubs are willing to lose that? The only way this doesn't happen is if the players themselves (PFA) decides it's not safe enough.

Listen I'm like you guys I want this season null and void for the sake of humanity and not ruining the following season, however with the reasons stated above - we have lots of time left.

Also note that the epidimeologist went from predicting 500k deaths to now 20k deaths.

The numbers are coming down. Social distancing is working and the UK is not as bad the rest of europe.

Listen, think you need to go and look at the news a bit and check out the general through about this virus. Folk in the UK acting as normal in some places. The numbers alone suggest that it can get really bad, just as bad as the rest of Europe that's been hit hard.

 

[Member 101269]

I think it's quite plausible we don't see a return until then, but how many football league clubs will go bust if that is the case?

10? 20? more?

Clubs bust or people alive, I’m in agreement it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that 21/22 season is the restart. I only mentioned that to someone yesterday

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Blinded by selfish desire. Can't blame the Liverpool guys, its some of the others that boggle my mind.

why would anyone give the Liverpool supporters on here a pass - unless you are being sarcastic. Their views are so skewed by their rampant desire to win the league at all costs.

 

[Acole9]

I really can't see the football season being completed. The FA are just delaying the inevitable.

 

[SirAnderson]

why would anyone give the Liverpool supporters on here a pass - unless you are being sarcastic. Their views are so skewed by their rampant desire to win the league at all costs.

Not giving them a pass, I'm saying I can't blame what 30 year drought does to the mind, some fans are hell bent like you say, no matter what.
My gripe is those of US that think having the league start back up asap is a good idea.