SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Update in Ireland:
Not so surprising given we’ve the youngest population in Europe (or is it just Western Europe?). We’re at the opposite end of the scale from Italy in those terms.
 

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There are news that Turkey blocked a cargo plane headed for Spain, which stopped there, with ventilators and protective material (already paid for).
 

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I'm bit skeptical of pharmacy company making super normal profit out of the corona vaccine, whoever comes out with it first.

You'd imagine ANY government in the world would force them to release the formula for mass production.The amount of pressure from worldwide community would be too huge if certain pharmaceutical company choose to be exclusive with it, there will be riots on the streets if those medicines are only for the rich.

Right now people are somewhat accepting that shit happens, imagine if there's people dying and there lies the medicine but only if you can afford it. You can be sure riots and looting will happen.
J&J already announced they won't be making any profit from a potential vaccine.
 

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It did. Saw a picture in which Himalayas were visible from one city in North India which wasn't possible earlier and it looks stunning. But I want to be able to go there and see it myself :).
Here in Azores, São Miguel island has been seen from Terceira island several times in the last few days. This was a rare event that happened every few years.
 

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I dont think its the same med as the french doctor said. This one is different although parasite medicine only.

I also have this suspicion about pharam companies using their lobby to delay the trial. Although now since Trump has mentioned it, maybe that mad b**tard end up doing one good thing of finding whether it works or not
Honestly he's such a loose cannon that he'll even screw up big pharma companies so he can tweet he saved the world on his own. And he may actually be right this time. For all the wrong reasons obviously.

Trump is not the hero I want in the world right now. But he's the hero I need.
 

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I'm sorry but if there was an evidence-based way of treating this it would be given. We are considering everything. All options are being carefully considered. I haven't heard a single one of my colleagues worried about pharmaceutical companies or "pressure" of any sort. Heck I'd give homeopathy if it meant curing COVID-19.
Doctors are independently minded individuals. And we are science based, but we need to consider if giving medications that can potentiate cardiac abnormalities and liver derangement is worth giving based on a small poorly designed study with no useful end points with other studies showing conflicting data.
Plural of anecdote is not data.
What do you make of this British mob testing Siltuximab (aka Sylvant) in Italy? Seems like in principle in might help? It binds to IL-6 cytokines and is hoped to therefore reduce lung inflamation.
 

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What do you make of this British mob testing Siltuximab in Italy? Seems like in principle in might help? It binds to IL-6 cytokines and is hoped to therefore reduce lung inflamation.
I'm glad talk is now turning towards an immediate treatment of the symptoms (rather than or including vaccine discussions). Worth a thread of its own or just keep it in here?

I've been trying to read as many articles daily on progress of potential cures (there are quite a few). But speed is of the essence as human trials take time and this is where Trump ironically may tell Fauci to cut the crap and go with the best results before America's death rate worsens in the red states (screw NY and California). There are some large human trials by WHO for which an update is imminent in mid-late April for efficacy.
 

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What do you make of this British mob testing Siltuximab in Italy? Seems like in principle in might help? It binds to IL-6 cytokines and is hoped to therefore reduce lung inflamation.
Biologics should make in theory for very effective agents

The aetiology of the most severe manifestation of COVID19 is ARDS which is underpinned by cytokine storm so agents targeting that should definitely be considered in reducing mortality and morbidity

https://www.cancernetwork.com/news/...clinical-trial-tocilizumab-covid-19-pneumonia
Tocilizumab is another good shout
 

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There are news that Turkey blocked a cargo plane headed for Spain, which stopped there, with ventilators and protective material (already paid for).
Not sure if it's already been posted but Trump is at it too, blocking shipments of PPE to Germany. We have to be careful a war doesnt come out of all this.
 

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There are news that Turkey blocked a cargo plane headed for Spain, which stopped there, with ventilators and protective material (already paid for).
A while ago it was revealed that Sweden was holding truckloads of protective equipment at the border with Norway for days, over some EU directive about exporting such equipment in these times. It was eventually sorted out though, at least temporarily.
 

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This NHK World report has been doing the rounds on Whatsapp.
Been posted earlier. The experiment shows reasonable information. The video has some factual errors and the simulation should be taken with a pinch of salt, until you know how they carried out the simulation.
 

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Been posted earlier. The experiment shows reasonable information. The video has some factual errors and the simulation should be taken with a pinch of salt, until you know how they carried out the simulation.

It also doesn't show what happens when people cough into tissues or their hands. I'd like to see how much both things reduce the droplets in the air.
 

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@Enigma_87 was absolutely spot on earlier in this thread about masks. He said exactly what I was told from someone in the NHS.
 

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The paper is a reasonable start but doesn't provide anything definitive. For example, it says the virus survives* in droplets for the duration of the experiment. That only gives a lower limit for its surviability. At least when I read it, they didn't seem to give the proper material names, nor the surface conditions. The former is important because you can have different grades of stainless steel and obviously you can get a variety of different plastic. The fact the virus has different survival rates on different surfaces suggests surface conditions are important. Yet they've not provided us with any information about the characteristics of these surfaces. At least in droplet impact studies, you normally expect a description of the surface such as its surface roughness, whether it is wet, heated etc. So its a good start, but unfortunately the media have also blown the paper out of proportion.

*Something I would like to know about that paper is what does it actually mean by virus stability and survivability and what actually influences those factors? Is it the rate at which liquid from the surface is evapourated or something else? I don't understand this part.
 
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Not sure if it's already been posted but Trump is at it too, blocking shipments of PPE to Germany. We have to be careful a war doesnt come out of all this.
Seems its widespread unfortunately . i posted a story earlier of france blocking shipments to us as early as march 3rd . America in turn have hi jacked various deliveries to different countries . Hope this can be stamped out but it seems as though its like the wild west out there in regards to how countries ( and companies for that matter ) are acting . As i mentioned earlier i hope this doesnt happen once a vaccine is found
 

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Seems its widespread unfortunately . i posted a story earlier of france blocking shipments to us as early as march 3rd . America in turn have hi jacked various deliveries to different countries . Hope this can be stamped out but it seems as though its like the wild west out there in regards to how countries ( and companies for that matter ) are acting . As i mentioned earlier i hope this doesnt happen once a vaccine is found
From what others have said, any vaccine is a long way off, so I wouldn't worry about it just yet!
 

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Biologics should make in theory for very effective agents

The aetiology of the most severe manifestation of COVID19 is ARDS which is underpinned by cytokine storm so agents targeting that should definitely be considered in reducing mortality and morbidity

https://www.cancernetwork.com/news/...clinical-trial-tocilizumab-covid-19-pneumonia
Tocilizumab is another good shout
Yeah, this seems like a pretty good review (as of March 26th) of what avenues are being explored in this direction.

Cliff notes: There's hope, but it's way too soon to tell. JAK inhibitors (Baricitinib) and IL-6 blockers seem likeliest.
 

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The silver lining is that our earth seems to be healing at a very magical pace, 1-2 months of us slowing down really gets our earth going. Been reading alot of good stuffs happening on that front, maybe that'll cheer you up abit
can you share some sources?
 

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Even if it is true, its irrelevant because the industries will continue again with no more regard for climate change than they had previously.
The one thing it will do is provide a significant amount of evidence for a) what the environmental impact is when urgent actions are taken, b) the capacity for mass behaviour change in the face of a crisis and c) the excesses in society that many people can live without for sustained periods. Undoubtedly the big polluters will go back to business as usual as soon as possible, but it can only strengthen the case for activists and create a new understanding among the public. It challenges the defeatist attitudes and perceptions of inevitability in quite a strong way.
 

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Good site for information from the Faeroe Islands (almost 10% of population tested): https://corona.fo/statistics

Current state of play:

Tests: 4800 | Positive: 181 | Recovered: 93 | Currently hospitalised: 2 | Deaths: 0

Would be interesting to see if they've followed these patients throughout the process to see how many remain asymptotic.
 

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708. That is really bad :( Steep curve, by the look of it. I hope the measures in UK helps but I guess this will go on for some time.
 

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708 new deaths I think (in the UK).

A new high in deaths, but a reduction in those testing positive (tests still at about 9k).

Edit: Actually unsure about tests. Seems like fewer people might have been tested. DHSS is confusing with its figures. It says x number of people have been tested, but then if you look at the breakdown that actually seems to be the number of tests administered. The number of actual people tested is always a few thousand lower.
 
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They did it to France as well as Germany.
From what I’ve read he’s basically ordered all US manufacturers to not supply to anyone outside of USA. For example 3M gear. So he’s hoarding that stuff and outbidding countries in trades for stuff from other countries. Absolute selfish wanker
 

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10% death rate in the UK? That's terrifying.
Surely you realise we’re not scratching the surface on people that are positive for it. Our testing numbers are a mere fraction of what they should be. We need to be testing 10 times the people we are, and whilst still tragic, the death rate would fall massively.