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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Sadly the only ones I could find have no proper packaging. Just a small sleeve.
Gosh that's interesting, where have you seen that? Sources please.
no idea. the nature article just says that several of the papers contained estimates of how rapidly the virus spreads, the length of its incubation period, and some other studies focusing on the virus’s structure and genetic make-up. some of it was peer reviewed too. the fact Chinese scientists even bothered to publish in English (to help fascilitate communication) is frankly a credit to them, and certainly is a counter argument to the Chinese cover up agenda.
all this isn't to say China doesn't deserve any blame - of course they do. but it's wrong (albeit expected) to pin everything on them.
Generally speaking, those ones that feel like it's made of paper (even if 3 or 4 layers) are supposed to be used only for 4-8 hours.
USA was close to 2000 in a day in the last report I heard. Very tragic.
Completely agree.
Just be interesting to be able to appreciate which information anyone should have relied upon.
I'll try and dig out the clip if I can but it might be a struggle now given all the other millions of Wuhan related stories out there. But yeah, people were coming back with no screening at all at the time.
Not aimed at your post specifically, but to try and argue China were totally open and transparent displays a complete lack of understanding of their standard way of operating. They will try and hide anything that makes them look bad, but if it gets beyond their control they will quickly switch to be as open and helpful as they can and often attempt to profit from it somehow. I lived there for years and it was always the way. Floating pigs, baby milk, tainted food, lots of examples spring to mind.
Like you say though, it is not their fault that the West still did nothing after they had switched to the helpful stage.
I remember that as well, somewhere in Feb. I'll post a source if I come across it again, but if you scroll back in this very thread, you will probably find it being mentioned.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-travel-ban.html
Passengers entering US were only asked if they've been to China or Iran. This was in March, well after the outbreak.
More like partially true.
Funny, sad and true.
The West's response to this has been a shambles (some countries did better than others, but none of the big countries really did this right). Of course, that does not give amnesty to China lying for the majority of January (and WHO lying for them too). Also, while I believe that China acted much better than Western countries, I also think that they hid (and still hid) numbers. Otherwise, some things just don't match (adding new measures like closing cinemas after declaring that they won and there are no new cases for several days).
Of course, some politicians (see Trump) are blaming China in order to excuse the US' pathetic response until mid-March. But I think we can blame both our leaders for being clueless (in your case, Merkel did a much better job than most Western countries) and also blame China for lying and hiding the truth until the 20th of January. And also, don't trust their official numbers. I mean, it is an autocratic country with no free media. Their numbers are whatever numbers the party wants.
There's 649 pages that I'm not going to bother scrolling back.
To claim there have been no serious attempts when the public and various organisations have attempted to do their best with the limited equipment and limited and sometimes conflicting information is degrading at best, at worst it is cynical and disgraceful however if you have expected more from various governments then perhaps that could be more accurate but still with conflicting information and each own bureaucracies to contend which might be less harsh.
It's a shame but I've run out of free views but anyone would admit that as I've said numerous times, the responses have been incoherent across many countries.
We're talking about airport screening, not their healthcare workers' efforts. I also remember reports about Chinese tourists being able to freely enter Italy without any (or limited) screening
Good summary of everything.
China lied, some people died; the west screwed up, lots more people died.
FFS. This is dengue fever like.
So am I, The US ain't everywhere yet. Italy has been in lockdown for over a month now.
The entire world was unprepared, regardless of whether china downplayed the situation back in jan or not. Even during the worst of the outbreak, most governments were still touch and go with their decisions. Personally I think this has been a valuable learning experience, so that we are well prepared for something even nastier like ebola or another SARS.
They also were much lethal (and made people sick ASAP), which meant that the carriers struggle to spread the virus. SARS was killing 10% of the infected, and making everyone really sick very fast. Bird flu (H5N1) was killing 61% of people who caught it, and there were only a few human to human transmissions.
This fecker is an extremely intelligent virus. It can go totally undetected by not giving any symptoms to people, who can infect many others in meantime. And even when it makes people sick, it happens a few days after the infection, giving time to these people to spread it to further hosts.
The UK barely has a border force at airports these days. I'm not even sure we could have screened all the flights if we even wanted to.
What should have happened is that by Feb we should have either stopped all flights from China or quarantined those arriving. Would probably have still been futile though.
What should have happened is that by Feb we should have either stopped all flights from China or quarantined those arriving. Would probably have still been futile though.
However I have only contended that efforts have been made by various countries and during varying periods before March.
Perhaps @Drawfull can see how he and others like yourself reading something has themselves attempted to move the goalposts.
Edit. Personally I'm seeing little value in all of this myself so far.
Close to 800 more new cases today than yesterday in Italy which is disappointing however deaths decreased from 604 yesterday to 542 and 2099 people have recovered or been discharged which is the highest number in a single day for Italy.
I think Italy is still at the peak but hopefully the decline is not far off.
I think Italy is still at the peak but hopefully the decline is not far off.
Apologies if I was misrepresenting your position. I've not been reading each post in full detail, perhaps I got the wrong impression. Nonetheless, most efforts made were fairly shambolic and I think the WHO also failed miserably in warning countries appropriately.
As my location here shows I've obviously been dealing with this virus since mid January and it made me want to pull my hair out everyday seeing how complacent Europe and America were being. It seemed quite clear every step of the way how it was going to break out if more serious measures weren't taken sooner. I kept trying to warn my family back home as well, as they were planning a holiday in early March, but it fell mostly on deaf ears.
Now it's frustrating when you see politicians trying to absolve themselves of blame. Frustrating, but not unexpected of course.
A bit of exaggeration there.
It still has a small fatality rate. The study also say some people have low antibody (not all people), and it doesn't do much more analysis (like how sick were them in the first place). We also do not know if the second infection will be as bad as the first one, worst than the first one, or same as the first one. Then there will be some treatment found, be it vaccine or drugs. Heck, even dengue fever has some experimental vaccine, if this shows to behave similarly (make you even sicker the second time, or even as sick), then there will be tens of billions of dollars put in the research to find something.
It will have disastous consequences, no doubt there, but it should also serve as a wakeup call to the human race. A virus that doesn't give you symptoms for a week (like this) but then is much more lethal than this can destroy the entire civilization (not the human race though), and countries should get prepared for that. Much better to put money on that than on military.
Well, Hong Kong is very well prepared since SARS, despite the incompetence of the HK government, most people are doing their own thing and it's relatively contained.
This was a fire drill, and most of the western world either tripped over themselves or argued amongst each other whether to escape or lock themselves inside for safety. I expect that, knock on wood, should there be a next time, the world would do much better.
I've not used the word blame myself but yes, it's natural for politicians to avoid any responsibility. However some have been wrongly advised ad I can imagine that being the case in the UK with a desire to maintain the economy uppermost in some minds originally.
Yeah i was actually just thinking about that after i hit post, maybe not the entire world, i should give some credit
I find it hard to assign it a Fire Drill when Ice Rinks are being used for morgues and relatives will never see their family members funerals. For some people they find it easier to analyse.
It's an utterly insane change.
A month ago I was on a 4 day work trip up north. Now a lot of us aren't even allowed to go to work, or even out the house more than once a day!
It'll (hopefully) be something future generations find hard to believe, like we do with the war stories.
Nearly 1,000 new casualties in the UK today.
I guess I should go for a walk now before they stop even that. If anyone is wondering, it is a very quiet area where I live and people are very conscious to stay apart. Also, I haven't been out since yesterday.
I guess I should go for a walk now before they stop even that. If anyone is wondering, it is a very quiet area where I live and people are very conscious to stay apart. Also, I haven't been out since yesterday.
This is a good point too. Government preparation for a future pandemic could easily go either way, but hopefully we should see more awareness and understanding from the public should something like this happen again. Hong Kong being a prime example.
They sound affluent and like mindedNearly 1,000 new casualties in the UK today.
I guess I should go for a walk now before they stop even that. If anyone is wondering, it is a very quiet area where I live and people are very conscious to stay apart. Also, I haven't been out since yesterday.
With all seriousness I think further restrictions will happen, you'll probably have to wear facemask and only go for a walk 100 or 200m from your house
How likely is it that the US goes into a nationwide lockdown? Was reading an opinion piece that was saying that a nationwide lockdown isn't likely and also not the solution, while Fauci is saying he can't believe it hasn't already happened.
On the other hand, Taiwan has dealt with it really well, the government banned travel from China, made sure everyone had enough face masks and contained the spread.
Even the schools are still open.