Honest John
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USAHas any country surpassed 1000 deaths in a single day?
USAHas any country surpassed 1000 deaths in a single day?
Sadly the only ones I could find have no proper packaging. Just a small sleeve.Tends to say so on the packaging
Gosh that's interesting, where have you seen that? Sources please.This should really be the only conclusion. I remember the BBC clip where a bloke was interviewed coming through a UK airport having returned from Wuhan itself in mid January. Even he was slightly appalled that he hadn't been tested or screened in any way. Trying to claim that Western countries like the UK were taking serious measures is a bizarre rewriting of history. As are any attempts to absolve or ignore the mistakes of the Chinese government.
no idea. the nature article just says that several of the papers contained estimates of how rapidly the virus spreads, the length of its incubation period, and some other studies focusing on the virus’s structure and genetic make-up. some of it was peer reviewed too. the fact Chinese scientists even bothered to publish in English (to help fascilitate communication) is frankly a credit to them, and certainly is a counter argument to the Chinese cover up agenda.Just out of curiosity did all of the papers give the same responses and answers as such?
Generally speaking, those ones that feel like it's made of paper (even if 3 or 4 layers) are supposed to be used only for 4-8 hours.Sadly the only ones I could find have no proper packaging. Just a small sleeve.
USA was close to 2000 in a day in the last report I heard. Very tragic.Has any country surpassed 1000 deaths in a single day?
Completely agree.Have to wonder why we didn't lockdown earlier.
Just be interesting to be able to appreciate which information anyone should have relied upon.no idea. the nature article just says that several of the papers contained estimates of how rapidly the virus spreads, the length of its incubation period, and some other studies focusing on the virus’s structure and genetic make-up. some of it was peer reviewed too. the fact Chinese scientists even bothered to publish in English (to help fascilitate communication) is frankly a credit to them, and certainly is a counter argument to the Chinese cover up agenda.
all this isn't to say China doesn't deserve any blame - of course they do. but it's wrong (albeit expected) to pin everything on them.
I'll try and dig out the clip if I can but it might be a struggle now given all the other millions of Wuhan related stories out there. But yeah, people were coming back with no screening at all at the time.Gosh that's interesting, where have you seen that? Sources please.
Tedros is basically on China's payroll.
Actually I was more interested in sources on this -I'll try and dig out the clip if I can but it might be a struggle now given all the other millions of Wuhan related stories out there. But yeah, people were coming back with no screening at all at the time.
Trying to claim that Western countries like the UK were taking serious measures is a bizarre rewriting of history.
Not aimed at your post specifically, but to try and argue China were totally open and transparent displays a complete lack of understanding of their standard way of operating. They will try and hide anything that makes them look bad, but if it gets beyond their control they will quickly switch to be as open and helpful as they can and often attempt to profit from it somehow. I lived there for years and it was always the way. Floating pigs, baby milk, tainted food, lots of examples spring to mind.no idea. the nature article just says that several of the papers contained estimates of how rapidly the virus spreads, the length of its incubation period, and some other studies focusing on the virus’s structure and genetic make-up. some of it was peer reviewed too. the fact Chinese scientists even bothered to publish in English (to help fascilitate communication) is frankly a credit to them, and certainly is a counter argument to the Chinese cover up agenda.
all this isn't to say China doesn't deserve any blame - of course they do. but it's wrong (albeit expected) to pin everything on them.
I remember that as well, somewhere in Feb. I'll post a source if I come across it again, but if you scroll back in this very thread, you will probably find it being mentioned.Gosh that's interesting, where have you seen that? Sources please.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-travel-ban.htmlActually I was more interested in sources on this -
More like partially true.
Funny, sad and true.
There's 649 pages that I'm not going to bother scrolling back.I remember that as well, somewhere in Feb. I'll post a source if I come across it again, but if you scroll back in this very thread, you will probably find it being mentioned.
It's a shame but I've run out of free views but anyone would admit that as I've said numerous times, the responses have been incoherent across many countries.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-travel-ban.html
Passengers entering US were only asked if they've been to China or Iran. This was in March, well after the outbreak.
We're talking about airport screening, not their healthcare workers' efforts. I also remember reports about Chinese tourists being able to freely enter Italy without any (or limited) screeningThere's 649 pages that I'm not going to bother scrolling back.
To claim there have been no serious attempts when the public and various organisations have attempted to do their best with the limited equipment and limited and sometimes conflicting information is degrading at best, at worst it is cynical and disgraceful however if you have expected more from various governments then perhaps that could be more accurate but still with conflicting information and each own bureaucracies to contend with might be less harsh.
Good summary of everything.More like partially true.
The West's response to this has been a shambles (some countries did better than others, but none of the big countries really did this right). Of course, that does not give amnesty to China lying for the majority of January (and WHO lying for them too). Also, while I believe that China acted much better than Western countries, I also think that they hid (and still hid) numbers. Otherwise, some things just don't match (adding new measures like closing cinemas after declaring that they won and there are no new cases for several days).
Of course, some politicians (see Trump) are blaming China in order to excuse the US' pathetic response until mid-March. But I think we can blame both our leaders for being clueless (in your case, Merkel did a much better job than most Western countries) and also blame China for lying and hiding the truth until the 20th of January. And also, don't trust their official numbers. I mean, it is an autocratic country with no free media. Their numbers are whatever numbers the party wants.
FFS. This is dengue fever like.Researchers in Shanghai hope to determine whether some recovered coronavirus patients have a higher risk of reinfection after finding surprisingly low levels of Covid-19 antibodies in a number of people discharged from hospital.
A team from Fudan University analysed blood samples from 175 patients discharged from the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre and found that nearly a third had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies.
In some cases, antibodies could not be detected at all.
“Whether these patients were at high risk of rebound or reinfection should be explored in further studies,” the team wrote in preliminary research released on Monday on Medrxiv.org, an online platform for preprint papers.
So am I, The US ain't everywhere yet. Italy has been in lockdown for over a month now.We're talking about airport screening, not their healthcare workers' efforts. I also remember reports about Chinese tourists being able to freely enter Italy without any (or limited) screening
The entire world was unprepared, regardless of whether china downplayed the situation back in jan or not. Even during the worst of the outbreak, most governments were still touch and go with their decisions. Personally I think this has been a valuable learning experience, so that we are well prepared for something even nastier like ebola or another SARS.So am I, The US ain't everywhere yet. Italy has been in lockdown for over a month now.
They also were much lethal (and made people sick ASAP), which meant that the carriers struggle to spread the virus. SARS was killing 10% of the infected, and making everyone really sick very fast. Bird flu (H5N1) was killing 61% of people who caught it, and there were only a few human to human transmissions.The reason other virus scares like SARS and bird flu were not as devastating as first thought was down in no small measure to the sharing of information early doors.
This does not appear to have happened in this case.
And if the data from China is to be believed - especially now they say they are on top of it, then all I can say is that the speed of their response indicates:
1. A deep knowledge of what would happen and therefore what to do
and
2. A state of readiness.
However I have only contended that efforts have been made by various countries and during varying periods before March.The entire world was unprepared, regardless of whether china downplayed the situation back in jan or not. Even during the worst of the outbreak, most governments were still touch and go with their decisions. Personally I think this has been a valuable learning experience, so that we are well prepared for something even nastier like ebola or another SARS.
Apologies if I was misrepresenting your position. I've not been reading each post in full detail, perhaps I got the wrong impression. Nonetheless, most efforts made were fairly shambolic and I think the WHO also failed miserably in warning countries appropriately.Actually I was more interested in sources on this -
A bit of exaggeration there.If this is true, then it's more or less all over boys and girls. We've basically run into the 'big one', the one that wipes out the human race.
Well, Hong Kong is very well prepared since SARS, despite the incompetence of the HK government, most people are doing their own thing and it's relatively contained.The entire world was unprepared, regardless of whether china downplayed the situation back in jan or not. Even during the worst of the outbreak, most governments were still touch and go with their decisions. Personally I think this has been a valuable learning experience, so that we are well prepared for something even nastier like ebola or another SARS.
This was a fire drill, and most of the western world either tripped over themselves or argued amongst each other whether to escape or lock themselves inside for safety. I expect that, knock on wood, should there be a next time, the world would do much better.However I have only contended that efforts have been made by various countries and during varying periods before March.
Perhaps @Drawfull can see how he and others like yourself reading something has themselves attempted to move the goalposts.
Edit. Personally I'm seeing little value in all of this myself so far.
I've not used the word blame myself but yes, it's natural for politicians to avoid any responsibility. However some have been wrongly advised ad I can imagine that being the case in the UK with a desire to maintain the economy uppermost in some minds originally.Now it's frustrating when you see politicians trying to absolve themselves of blame. Frustrating, but not unexpected of course.
Yeah i was actually just thinking about that after i hit post, maybe not the entire world, i should give some creditWell, Hong Kong is very well prepared since SARS, despite the incompetence of the HK government, most people are doing their own thing and it's relatively contained.
I find it hard to assign it a Fire Drill when Ice Rinks are being used for morgues and relatives will never see their family members funerals. For some people they find it easier to analyse.This was a fire drill, and most of the western world either tripped over themselves or argued amongst each other whether to escape or lock themselves inside for safety. I expect that, knock on wood, should there be a next time, the world would do much better.
It's an utterly insane change.I know in the grand scheme of things this is very small, but I just came back from my bike ride and I go past shops, post offices, etc. And you see people lining up outside, 6ft apart, most wearing gloves and masks and it just makes you think how fecking crazy this all is. How much the world has changed in a matter of weeks. Again, I know there's obviously way more important and awful things going on than people queuing outside of shops, but I'm saying it more in the sense of how fast people's behaviors have changed.
Just mental to think when we were all celebrating the new year and welcoming in a new decade, that in merely a few month's time the world would be completely changed. Crazy times.
This is a good point too. Government preparation for a future pandemic could easily go either way, but hopefully we should see more awareness and understanding from the public should something like this happen again. Hong Kong being a prime example.Well, Hong Kong is very well prepared since SARS, despite the incompetence of the HK government, most people are doing their own thing and it's relatively contained.
They sound affluent and like mindedNearly 1,000 new casualties in the UK today.
I guess I should go for a walk now before they stop even that. If anyone is wondering, it is a very quiet area where I live and people are very conscious to stay apart. Also, I haven't been out since yesterday.
On the other hand, Taiwan has dealt with it really well, the government banned travel from China, made sure everyone had enough face masks and contained the spread.This is a good point too. Government preparation for a future pandemic could easily go either way, but hopefully we should see more awareness and understanding from the public should something like this happen again. Hong Kong being a prime example.