SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Volumiza]

I know this is not your intention but feck the poor and feck those who will be is what this translates to. Clearly businesses have to be allowed to re-open gradually. And soon.

Of course that wasn’t my intention, don’t pull that shit with me.

My Mrs has already lost her job, we have enough savings to carry us for 1 month exactly if I should lose mine.

I manage a lab that works in agricultural testing, my work has tried brainwashing us that we are key workers and I don’t fecking buy it. So I’m having to go into work along with my team. I would rather be at home with my family. Not because I’m lazy or hate my job it’s just that I want to be with them more than make money for my company.

Im happy to fecking isolate with my family because I believe it is currently the right thing to do and it has cleared my mind as to what is important in life and it certainly isn’t my job or my massive mortgage.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Sweden.

 

[Steven Seagull]

At what cost?

Feck work and feck the economy. I’m no kid either but I would happily lose my job and everything I own to keep my family safe.

Stay at home then if you can afford it. A lot of people can't. Families won't be that safe if they lose everything they own

 

[pratyush_utd]

At what cost?

Feck work and feck the economy. I’m no kid either but I would happily lose my job and everything I own to keep my family safe.

For rich countries this may be an option for its citizens. But for developing and poor countries, this is not an option. Damage will be far higher than Coronavirus can ever do. Its a difficult choice for these countries.

 

[Volumiza]

Stay at home then if you can afford it. A lot of people can't. Families won't be that safe if they lose everything they own

I can’t afford as I’ve just stated in my post it but nothing is worth the risk of any of us catching this unnecessarily.

 

[One Night Only]

I can’t afford as I’ve just stated in my post it but nothing is worth the risk of any of us catching this unnecessarily.

You talk like it's certain death catching it.

I'd rather be on this semi lock down and still working, keeping economy moving and keeping my own finances and stuff in check.

 

[Ady87]

Follow the science is the new ‘Get Brexit Done’. Just like ardent Brexiteers would fight sensibility and reason on the front line, the same people are doing so now armed with a new 3 word slogan. Particularly painful for me as a man of science. The government is protected from scrutiny...again.

 

[Steven Seagull]

I can’t afford as I’ve just stated in my post it but nothing is worth the risk of any of us catching this unnecessarily.

You're still in a job and getting paid. I think you would soon change your outlook if that suddenly wasn't the case anymore

 

[Volumiza]

For rich countries this may be an option for its citizens. But for developing and poor countries, this is not an option. Damage will be far higher than Coronavirus can ever do. Its a difficult choice for these countries.

I know that. I was just stating my own personal views on what I am willing to do and lose.

If we let this virus rip through society we would see absolute carnage.

The world has virtually shut down. That in itself should illustrate the damage this thing can do. Incredible measures never seen in our lifetimes.

It just grates my balls that after only a few weeks people are moaning about the relatively small sacrifices we are having to make.

 

[Volumiza]

You talk like it's certain death catching it.

I'd rather be on this semi lock down and still working, keeping economy moving and keeping my own finances and stuff in check.

Dude, I don’t view it as certain death, but I do view it as a roll of the dice. I wouldn’t roll a dice for anyone’s life, let alone my family.

 

[cyberman]

You're still in a job and getting paid. I think you would soon change your outlook if that suddenly wasn't the case anymore

Wouldnt the same logic apply if you lost a close family member with others at risk?

 

[Volumiza]

You're still in a job and getting paid. I think you would soon change your outlook if that suddenly wasn't the case anymore

I repeat. Feck my job. We would manage somehow.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

If we let this virus rip through society we would see absolute carnage.

With the infection rate, no-one should be letting it “rip through society”, as yes, carnage it would be.
But it needs to slowly start working through society, slowly slowly catchy monkey.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Dude, I don’t view it as certain death, but I do view it as a roll of the dice. I wouldn’t roll a dice for anyone’s life, let alone my family.

Roll of a dice is a much higher chance than dying of this for the vast majority. How old are you? Any underlying conditions?

 

[Steven Seagull]

Wouldnt the same logic apply if you lost a close family member with others at risk?

I have 2 family members at risk who aren't supposed to leave the house. I haven't exactly said we need everybody to work on the front line to keep the economy afloat. But saying "feck the economy" is just daft nonsense and doesn't really mean anything. How many people do you think will die if the economy goes completely tits up? It's been bad enough for people with 10+ years of shite government

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

I repeat. Feck my job. We would manage somehow.

How would you manage without a job and where the work you're qualified for involves leaving the house? With rent or a mortgage, debt repayments and bills to pay? Let alone food or anything else

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I repeat. Feck my job. We would manage somehow.

But what about people who wouldn’t manage? That can’t pay bills, that can’t buy food for themselves or their kids?

 

[SalfordRed18]

I'm amazed at how anyone thinks any government isn't winging it. Of course they're winging it, there's zero information. There was zero information in January. Nobody had a clue. Because why would they know? Revisionist nonsense.

Bollocks.

 

[arnie_ni]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249127908876128259.html

Uk compared to ireland in a tweet

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249127908876128259.html

Uk compared to ireland in a tweet

Most important data point missing again.

 

[Josep Dowling]

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This is exactly it. Lockdown is not about waiting for a vaccine, which is not going to found. Herd immunity is the only way provided it’s controlled. But to even suggest that strategy seems to make you evil as it’s an acceptance people will die. It doesn’t matter which way round we do this people are going to die. You protect the most vulnerable as best you can and ensure the NHS can cope with everyone else.

I’ve been working from home for 4 weeks and already starting to lose my mind. I might not have a job in two months time. Many more are already out of work and worrying about paying their bills next or cash flow issues for the self employed who won’t get government assistance until June. The financial mess that people will begin to be in will cause people to have to do something to earn cash simply to eat.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I'm sure they are hoping current levels of restriction won't be neccesary but we are considering the possibility. Victoria has extended the current arrangements for another month already. And remenber this is the neccesary response when we only have a few thousand infections, 58 deaths and only 35ish in ICU. Countries like the UK and US, who are in deep trouble and farcfrom under control, talking about relaxing things is madness.

From the quotes I’ve seen their PM said that they’ll have to completely change the way they live for 6 months. That doesn’t equate to a full lockdown of the type we‘re going through now. The same has been said in the UK but many are talking about those change lasting even longer. I think the UK will start to relax in the next couple of months in some aspects, the economy will start to open up but we‘ll have a very different way of working. That’s what we’re planning where I work anyway.

I think the big issue will be pubs, clubs, concerts and sporting events etc because social distancing is pretty much impossible in those places.

 

[sullydnl]

I repeat. Feck my job. We would manage somehow.

As someone said above, if you feel that way then that's fine, give up your job and stay at home. That's always an option you have regardless of what anyone else does.

For a lot of people returning to work will be essential though as they're in circumstances that won't allow them to feck their job and still manage somehow. For them it isn't the dichotomy you're presenting it as. Not going back to work also rolls the dice with their family's safety, in many cases with worse odds than going back to work does. Which makes "at what cost?" a rather moot response when people point out that reality. If you're in a position to "manage somehow" after giving up your job then you're luckier than a lot of other people.

 

[cyberman]

I have 2 family members at risk who aren't supposed to leave the house. I haven't exactly said we need everybody to work on the front line to keep the economy afloat. But saying "feck the economy" is just daft nonsense and doesn't really mean anything. How many people do you think will die if the economy goes completely tits up? It's been bad enough for people with 10+ years of shite government

The econony is going tits up anyway? Just before the lockdown my girlfriends work slashed hours due to the public staying in along with a desperate attempt at trying home delivery to make up for it. It didnt work.
Now when we see the effects of not social distancing etc and we reopen, what happens when cases rise again? A large percentage of people will stay at home because they know thats how to slow the virus
With this disease around there isnt an economy to save. A lot of people will have hours slashed or simply just let go when foot traffic is a third of what it was, if that. Regardless of what we do, this is a recession that will cripple most of us.
Theres many 'poor' people out there who have had their income saved by this lockdown who just dont know it yet.
Pubs, clubs etc are fecked no matter what we do.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

You talk like it's certain death catching it.

I'd rather be on this semi lock down and still working, keeping economy moving and keeping my own finances and stuff in check.

Some people seem to have mentally given up on life, man. I never considered myself to be a massively positive or optimistic person until this virus arrived. It's been a real eye-opener for me, because I've seen just what true pessimism really is.

On another note, I've started learning another language. The very first thing I'm going to do when this blows over is to start applying for jobs in that country, I no longer want to be a part of the UK. We have a population that has - for the most part - voted for a bigoted Conservative party in their droves despite that party having zero interest in them. I'm talking about the working class voters, who have basically voted for a bunch of bigoted toffs because they echoed racist and xenophobic beliefs. Forget the fact that those bigoted toffs consider those voters to be dogshit on the soles of their shoes.

And you know what? They will vote for them again simply because the PM caught coronavirus.

I don't want to be associated with this country anymore. Soon as I can, I'm out.

 

[Steven Seagull]

The econony is going tits up anyway? Just before the lockdown my girlfriends work slashed hours due to the public staying in along with a desperate attempt at trying home delivery to make up for it. It didnt work.
Now when we see the effects of not social distancing etc and we reopen, what happens when cases rise again? A large percentsge of people will stay at home because they know thats how to slow the virus
With this disease around there isnt an economy to save. A lot of people will have hours slashed or simply just let go when foot traffic is a third of what it was, if that. Regardless of what we do, this is a recession thst will cripple most of us.
Theres many 'poor' people out there who have had their income saved by this lockdown who just dont know it yet.
Pubs, clubs etc are fecked no matter what we do.

Of course some things are fecked. It's a terrible situation for everybody to be in. But we need to think more pragmatically than just saying feck everything. What happens when you say feck everything and turn the lights out?

 

[arnie_ni]

Most important data point missing again.

Assuming your talking about population density or similar?

Doesnt thst give more evidence to shutting up earlier not later?

 

[11101]

Because it becomes less open when everybody flocks to it?
Up here in Donegal, Ireland we have lovely beaches and wide open spaces. Only thing is it becomes chock a block when Derry folk flock over during the good weather or holidays. With everybody off work that could be everyday during the summer.

I'm not suggesting open spaces are acceptable. I dont know. Health authorities will be beginning to understand by now what is safe and what conditions the virus is most likely to spread under.

 

[cyberman]

Of course some things are fecked. It's a terrible situation for everybody to be in. But we need to think more pragmatically than just saying feck everything. What happens when you say feck everything and turn the lights out?

Nobody is saying turn the lights out but how many people will wait in line at Sports Direct for a pair of trainers as they let one in, one out from the store? How much staff would they need? How much stock?
Theres trying to keep the econony going and not yet wakening up to the new reality.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249127908876128259.html

Uk compared to ireland in a tweet

You can’t really compare in a tweet.

For a start, London alone has almost twice the population of Ireland whilst Ireland is a land mass not far off the size of England. Managing a response in Ireland or any small country is far easier.

Regarding lockdowns, Belgium locked down sooner than anyone in Western Europe and they have twice the deaths per capita as the UK.

Then there’s demographics. For example, in the UK black and Asian communities have been disproportionately affected, this could be because of larger families and multi-generational living conditions which are more common in these communities. Ireland in contrast to the UK has a very small black and Asian population. Ireland also has one of the youngest populations in Europe. Then there are things like the general health of the elderly in different countries, the types of complicating comorbidities they might have and so on. These are just a few ideas I can think of, there will be a plethora more.

That‘s not to say that the UK government hasn’t bodged some things, I agree with the author that the messaging has been poor for one.

 

[Ish]

Please be right please be right!

Hahaha you and 90% of the population! They have to relax some of these restrictions. Surely. Stay safe.

 

[Volumiza]

With the infection rate, no-one should be letting it “rip through society”, as yes, carnage it would be.
But it needs to slowly start working through society, slowly slowly catchy monkey.

Yes, I get it and I’ve already posted that however screwed up the initial herd immunity sound bites may have sounded, they’re actually where we need to be. It’s inevitable.

My complaint isn’t that we will eventually need to come out of lockdown either, of course we will, just how impatient some people are already. Get a grip, we’ve got weeks more of this and I’m viewing it as completely necessary. Whatever sacrifices I may jave

Roll of a dice is a much higher chance than dying of this for the vast majority. How old are you? Any underlying conditions?

It was a figure of speech dude. I meant as yet, no one can predict how each of us will react to the virus, I wasn’t comparing odds.

45, relatively fit but have asthma.

 

[Volumiza]

How would you manage without a job and where the work you're qualified for involves leaving the house? With rent or a mortgage, debt repayments and bills to pay? Let alone food or anything else

I don’t know. I’ve never been in that situation but if I found myself jobless then I’d have to find a way to cope. Which is why I am continuing working while I can but that does not mean I am placing work above everything else or care about it at all right now. At this moment £’s mean almost nothing in comparison to lives.

But what about people who wouldn’t manage? That can’t pay bills, that can’t buy food for themselves or their kids?

Then I would be one of them very quickly.

I hope it wouldn’t come to this and am continuing working while I can. All I was saying is that I would happily sacrifice everything I own to ensure the safety of my family. I wasn’t disregarding people less fortunate than myself or whatever situations others are coping with.

 

[Cardboard elk]

This is exactly it. Lockdown is not about waiting for a vaccine, which is not going to found. Herd immunity is the only way provided it’s controlled. But to even suggest that strategy seems to make you evil as it’s an acceptance people will die.

This is wrong. Studies have showed very low levels of antibodies, and also some people have no trace of antibodies whatsoever. We know far too little, but there are signs that immunity might last only for a short period of time. So say you get 80% of the poulation immune before end of july. Then already in july the first people to catch Covid-19 might already no longer be immune and get if for a second time.
Vaccination might be the only solution, if neither works, then this will be among us like a cold that sweeps through the population over and over again.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Assuming your talking about population density or similar?

No mate. The most important data point is:

a. Number of infected in country/city at the time Italy kicked off and Europe realised this was gonna hit us all. So say 5th March.

i. Total number of infected people in Ireland on 5th March.
ii. Total number of infected people in England on 5th March.

without those figures, the comparisons are utterly pointless.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I hope it wouldn’t come to this and am continuing working while I can. All I was saying is that I would happily sacrifice everything I own to ensure the safety of my family. I wasn’t disregarding people less fortunate than myself or whatever situations others are coping with.

Absolutely and I understand your stance. But what do you do when money runs out, electricity gets turned off and you’ve no money to feed your kids?

 

[Volumiza]

Absolutely and I understand your stance. But what do you do when money runs out, electricity gets turned off and you’ve no money to feed your kids?

You’re asking me a question that no one has the answer to.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

More and more patients are being discharged from intensive care in Stockholm, over 80% who receive ICU treatment survive.
Souce: Karolinska Institute

Allt fler patienter skrivs ut från intensivvården i Stockholm – och över 80 procent av de som intensivvårdas överlever. Situationen är betydligt bättre än befarat, säger David Konrad, överläkare på IVA Karolinska universitetssjukhuset.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

You’re asking me a question that no one has the answer to.

You have the answer, in that situation, which many unfortunate will quickly find themselves in, lockdown is no longer an option.

 

[Dancfc]

At what cost?

Feck work and feck the economy. I’m no kid either but I would happily lose my job and everything I own to keep my family safe.

That sentiment will be all well and good if the economy doesn't relate to life.

A lockdown for any serious period of time will see to 60% of businesses (optimistic estimate) gone. With a significant number on the dole who will pay the taxes to keep the NHS running? Who will pay the taxes to keep the majority (yes majority) of families who can't find work housed and fed?