Or it's a major city with a massive public transport infrastructure that aided virus transmission.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Or it's a major city with a massive public transport infrastructure that aided virus transmission.
What do you think is a better indicator of public opinion? It's not like they asked a few hundred folks at a particular point in time. They surveyed 2,000 people every day this month and got the same result every time, across every demographic.
Aren't these UK fatality figures too high for a weekend?
I expected an even greater underreporting because it's an easter weekend.
I expected an even greater underreporting because it's an easter weekend.
Hancock basically blaming the public for the UK's high death rate. This government's approval rating is increasing as well.
It's as bad in France if not worse, 37% come from Iles-De-France.
From the Germans themselves there are likely two reasons.
1. They were able to quickly test anybody with symptoms because they allowed tests at regional level rather than going to a central laboratory like everybody else in Europe. The fatality rate in Germany is likely not much better than anywhere else, they have just identified a higher proportion of their overall positive cases.
2. The virus was mostly brought into the country by younger people, and they have less contact with the elderly unlike in Spain and Italy. There have been very few outbreaks in German nursing homes and a higher proportion of their cases are in younger people.
Agreed.
Allied with the international nature of its businesses and visitors, and you had a powder keg ready to explode.
UK : 737 new deaths (total 10, 612)
Total cases 84, 279 (increase of 5, 288)
They include a 26-year-old man and a 100-year-old man. Of the people who've died, 42 of them had no pre-existing conditions.
(from La Repubblica)
Total cases 84, 279 (increase of 5, 288)
They include a 26-year-old man and a 100-year-old man. Of the people who've died, 42 of them had no pre-existing conditions.
(from La Repubblica)
I think if a vaccine is ever developed it will come from Germany. They’ve got their ducks in a row in a way the US never will.
Who did that?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...that-the-us-army-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan
Known as the USA virus in China
Hard to say how accurate the article, is, I'd hope most understand but won't say.
Known as the USA virus in China
Hard to say how accurate the article, is, I'd hope most understand but won't say.
It's ridiculous that we are still talking about PPE, If they are being asked to look after confirmed patients it's the equivalent of sending someone into a burning building without their fireproofs or breathing apparatus on.
Exactly. Another crowded, international city with cramped public transport.
Just like London and New York, people travel in and out of the city frequently. Which makes contact tracing much more difficult than you'd find in smaller countries without major business hubs.
Germany's population/economy doesn't revolve around a single major city in the same way. Their epidemic developed along a different path, meaning they could control it in a different way.
I always get hopeful when I hear that the numbers have dipped on Sunday.
This week, I'm going to temper my optimism. Tuesday is the day I'll be paying attention to.
I have friends in China in a few places. No one believes that it ever came out of anywhere other than Wuhan.
The Chinese are not stupid. This is the usual Asian bashing articles that newspapers write quoting someone. The Chinese social media is very active and is very varied. I am not saying that there is no one who has a different view but nothing I have seen or heard says the US brought it to China. Yes early on there was an official who said it could have come from anywhere but all official news I have seen has it coming from Wuhan.
Similarly, the Chinese ive spoken to are dumbfounded as to how wuhan can be blamed.
It doesn’t have a single city, but it has Nordrhein-Westfalen.
I agree with a lot of this Dante. God help the turks if it starts to spread in Istanbul
Questions at the presser are shite again. Only one person offering any real challenge, about care homes.
A work colleague is going to his girlfriends place every so often whilst living at home. I'm not sure if I should be angry but it annoyed me. That isn't meant to happen right? or am I mistaken.
No, he's not supposed to do that. It would annoy me too.
Your colleague is a moron. It's not supposed to happen.
You are right, he is a spreader/tosser.
I am dumbfounded too as to how Wuhan can be blamed. I never said they said Wuhan is to be blamed. They said it most probably come from somewhere in the exotic market in Wuhan
You need to tell him he’s a dickhead.
Hancock weaselled out of that final question on the NHS and immigration. Should have reminded him of this tweet:
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110 deaths in Lombardy, less than half the number yesterday.
An other stat that I can't fathom is that they currently have 13000 Covid-19 hospitalisation, that's 41% of France's total.
431 deaths in Italy, the lowest number since March 19
A new disease can come from not only China. It can come from anywhere. Like for example :
Zombie deer disease
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD)
Susceptibility of Human Prion Protein to Conversion by Chronic Wasting Disease Prions
I would not like my brain to become swiss cheese. But the fact is, we are getting closer and closer to humans contracting and spreading such an infectious disease.
When this is all over I hope all these diseases are taken seriously. We are messing with mother nature in so many ways that it is getting really creepy to think what the future will be like.
When it comes to the blame game, I stay away from that, but I hope for a stronger Europe to stay safe from the influence from China, Us, Russia. But the EU is not in good shape to be honest so I doubt it will ever happen.
Zombie deer disease
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD)
Susceptibility of Human Prion Protein to Conversion by Chronic Wasting Disease Prions
I would not like my brain to become swiss cheese. But the fact is, we are getting closer and closer to humans contracting and spreading such an infectious disease.
When this is all over I hope all these diseases are taken seriously. We are messing with mother nature in so many ways that it is getting really creepy to think what the future will be like.
When it comes to the blame game, I stay away from that, but I hope for a stronger Europe to stay safe from the influence from China, Us, Russia. But the EU is not in good shape to be honest so I doubt it will ever happen.
And new cases at 4092, 602 down from yesterday.
Turkey is starting to look very worrisome
How so?
Of course not. Your work colleague is an absolute dumb prick.
Climbing rapidly. 60k infected already and without knowing the numbers, I don't think they did more tests than any of the biggest european countries. Istanbul is a highly dense city also and I don't know which is his health care system but not at the same level than Spain, Italy, France and UK
Also, they have almost 4 millions of syrian refugees that I doubt they have much access to economic and health care system.
ON the other hand they have a respirators and textile manufacturers ans Istambul is probably one of the hottest and more humid areas that I had been in summer, and some studies says it reduces the spread
It's irrelevant if the government ends up being hellbent on relaxing restrictions early and reports are suggesting the cabinet is split on that, so who knows?
Deaths are hovering around a hundred per day. Not ideal but, considering the number infected, it's not exactly an alarming mortality rate. In terms of tests, it's done more than countries such as Spain, France and the UK, nations with notably higher mortality rates.
Syrians receive regular money and have access to free healthcare here, so your doubts aren't correct on that one. In fact, if they arrive at a hospital, they're to be seen before anybody else. That would have people frothing at the mouth elsewhere but they're treated pretty well. I don't know why people imagine they're just left to wander around and have no means to support themselves.
All in all, a lot of work to be done, and a population of 80 million will inevitably experience more deaths, but the health service and general public are doing a decent enough job so far.
Berlin still has 3mil inhabitants, that's obviously not London or New York levels of density, but it's still a lot of people, despite that they "only" have 50 deaths are on record. Other big cities posted similar numbers thus far (Hamburg 56 deaths, Cologne 44 deaths, Munich 35 deaths). I'm not sure you can just put everything down to big cities.
The handling of the outbreaks seems just as logical a factor to me. E.g. the UK iirc being (among) the last big Euopean countries to shut down, or Cheltenham being allowed to go on, while almost all other events either banned crowds or cancelled entirely. I also read that London's public transport went to a Saturday schedule relatively early and afterwards I saw a London nurse complain on Twitter (obviously this is anecdotally) that she had to get to work via packed subway trains.
I live next door to a guy that’s plumber. He’s still in and out of peoples houses fixing essential things like boilers etc and his other half is a midwife in a hospital. She has two boys living with them and he has a son that stays a few nights a week usually.
At the moment the lad is staying with his Dad every 2-3 day and then returning to his Mum.
I feel very sorry for couples with children that are separated, but allowing a child to go from one household to another is ridiculous imo.
Surely the chance of contagion is much higher with a child going from one household to another so frequently.
At the moment the lad is staying with his Dad every 2-3 day and then returning to his Mum.
I feel very sorry for couples with children that are separated, but allowing a child to go from one household to another is ridiculous imo.
Surely the chance of contagion is much higher with a child going from one household to another so frequently.