What were the other three?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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What were the other three?
I'm not well versed on the ABC of vaccine making, but Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci and several other doctors I've heard from are on the record saying 12-18 months at the earliest for a vaccine.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/0...pandemic-normal-economy-is-never-coming-back/
US focused, but a sobering read from Adam Tooze aimed at every nation wanting to "return to normal" and "getting the economy running again".
US focused, but a sobering read from Adam Tooze aimed at every nation wanting to "return to normal" and "getting the economy running again".
I think if we have large scale immunisation by the end of 2021 that will be a major achievement. Anything faster will be great of course.
They are becoming The Daily Mail.You mean by vaccination or by natural herd immunization (if possible as they are talking of second infections)
Exactly - plus the less "glamorous" medical specialties often have a higher proportion of BAME doctors. This includes care of the elderly/geriatrics, the very population that's most affected by Covid. It's also worth saying that these specialties are the ones which have little or no opportunity for private work, but that's another issue.
The NHS would collapse overnight without the doctors from India and various African countries.
Absolute genius. Learnt about Cellular Automata this year and it’s absolutely mind blowing.
Not good news for chloroquine. Still holding out hope for hydroxychloroquine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html
Roughly half the study participants were given a dose of 450 milligrams of chloroquine twice daily for five days, while the rest were prescribed a higher dose of 600 milligrams for 10 days. Within three days, researchers started noticing heart arrhythmias in patients taking the higher dose. By the sixth day of treatment, 11 patients had died, leading to an immediate end to the high-dose segment of the trial.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html
Roughly half the study participants were given a dose of 450 milligrams of chloroquine twice daily for five days, while the rest were prescribed a higher dose of 600 milligrams for 10 days. Within three days, researchers started noticing heart arrhythmias in patients taking the higher dose. By the sixth day of treatment, 11 patients had died, leading to an immediate end to the high-dose segment of the trial.
wow, just wow
Herd immunity will take approx 80% infected or vaccinated. So aiming for that without a vaccine is madness.
There is no reason to suspect we won't develop immunity although immunity to viruses tends to be shorter term than for bacteria. I don't think there have been proven reinfections although it is quite likely if people have compromised immune systems.
Did anyone think chloroquine was a treatment? Hydroxychloroquine has been the drug I've heard might be beneficial. And heart problems are a known side effects especially if there are pre-existing conditions.
Is there any idea of what the long-term impact of this virus on sufferers’ health might be? (Obviously I mean those who recover).
The irony of Johnson praising two people who wouldn't be allowed to come under his immigration rules.
Or, it simply takes longer to get a confirmed recovery.
there were reports it can cause scarring in the lungs, which can cause problems later on in life. Not sure how consistent this is
This is my concern.
Our Dear Leader? Only admiration is allowed.
I've heard from people who've had mild symptoms they are fine, out running etc. as before. I don't think we know about more severe cases.
Nonsense.
Severe cases get scarred lungs which will reduce exercise tolerance, make them more prone to resp infections etc Although there’s evidence from previous SARS outbreaks that they do regain normal function after a year or two.
Of course, we have no data at all on long term outcomes for this particular virus, as it’s not been round long enough.
Yeah @Adisa, that just isn't true. The new rules actually make it much easier for the Kiwi to come here, and the Portuguese guy would also easily quality.
Lots of people think chloroquine has potential as a treatment. There’s already a WHO study underway with sites in countries all over the world. Obviously jury is still out on both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Still waiting for proper RCT results. The Brazilian study mentioned above tells us very little useful that we didn’t know already.
I think all nurses from anywhere in the world would qualify. The problem will be in social care I think because they’ll earn less than the lowered minimum for people in the health sector.
That's right, but not just social care, there's the likes of crop picking as well. I think the idea is that the rules are not set in stone, they will be adjusted according to need. Whether they can be adjusted quickly enough and what we'll be left with at the end of it, or rather any particular stage of it, are unknowns of course.
Looks like they're sticking to the non apology that allows the right wing nutters the space to call the lack of PPE a myth/left wing hoax.
I haven’t kept up to date on those rules, can you explain? I believe one nurse was from Nz and the other from Pt?
Ironically a load of English people will be picking those crops this year. I saw a segment on it on the news or such the other day. It looks a shit job because you have to keep kneeling and then standing so it’s bad for your back. I couldn’t help but think that it surely could be mechanised in some way to make it easier.
Are you sure about that because it doesn't sound right to me.
“Sorry that people feel..”
That’s such a dismissive comment when someone says that, making it sound like it’s just the public perception. What a horrible bunch of bastards showing their true colours in a crisis
It's not a job I'd want to do. I think mechanisation in farming is pretty advanced though, it's big business and competitive, they'll be looking for every angle they can. That's not to say a lone individual can't come up with a genius idea though, get out there with your thinking cap on CM!
Germany actually flew in a lot of Rumanians in special flights, some of the pictures of their journey didn't exactly look like social distancing, but I guess that takes a back seat when our precious asparagus is at stake.
For the asparagus it didn’t look that complicated, some sort of contraption to lift the cover and then some sort of grabber to remove the asparagus. For the berries it would be more difficult but at least you can stay kneeling doing that so you’re not constantly knackering your back.
I think a lot of English have signed up to do it because it’s part of feeding the nation and keeping farms going during the crisis. If they have enough yet I’m not sure.
If only Richard Arkwright had been into vegetables instead of cotton, he'd have sorted it all with a steam driven one thousand asparaguses at a time rotating paternoster thing. Not that I care, I've never eaten asparagus.
I assume most of the impact will come from long-term stays in ICU units, particularly if ventilated. I doubt the ones that don't need critical care will have that many consequences of the infection, but too soon to tell.
The guy is clueless, they assume that their role is getting it from their own procurement to the distribution centres. They’re effectively blaming trusts for not getting it to the front line quicker.